Biden authorizes Ukraine to use long-range US weapons in Russia
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Biden probably wouldn't be allowed to authorize his own personal financial decisions.
Sounds like the turning point is NK sending their troops there. Basically this is more telling them to **** off
There is plenty of blame to go around-Europe and Obama had no appetite for war after Russia's clever fait accompli. And Biden acted like the recent invasion may not be a big deal depending on how big of bite Russia would take. Putin waited to see if trump would be re-elected because trump was helping him by preventing useful weapons from being sent. When trump lost the election, Putin became impatient and made his move. He thought it would only take a few days. But this time Ukraine had European then US support, and had its military improved by Western aid and training.
NATO was never scared of Russia. They've always been hot air outside of their nuclear weapons. This was proven over and over again during the Cold War.
A little whataboutism is ready rear its ugly head inside Russia. You, you don’t like deep strikes in your country? Then stop doing it to Ukraine.A “massive” Russian missile and drone attack has targeted power infrastructure across Ukraine, the country's President Volodymyr Zelensky has said.
At least 10 people were killed in the strikes, which hit the capital, Kyiv, as well as multiple targets in several regions including Donetsk, Lviv and Odesa.
Ukraine’s largest private energy company, DTEK, said its thermal energy plants had suffered “significant damage”, resulting in blackouts.
The country's state-owned energy operator, Ukrenergo, says it will enforce "restriction measures" for the whole of Ukraine on Monday.
The co-ordinated assault overnight on Saturday was largest of its kind since early September, according to authorities and local media.
In total, around 120 missiles and 90 drones were launched, Zelensky said on Telegram.
"Peaceful cities, sleeping civilians" and "critical infrastructure" were targeted, Ukraine's foreign minister Andrii Sybiha said.
The Russian defence ministry reported that it had hit all its targets, saying that its attack was on "essential energy infrastructure supporting the Ukrainian military-industrial complex".
Russia launches 'massive' attack on Ukraine infrastructure
At least 10 people were killed and blackouts will be imposed throughout Ukraine on Monday.www.bbc.com
Your timeline is off.
Putin's 'clever fait accompli' came after the 2014 coup where Nuland was passing out cookies to the people who rejected democracy and used mob violence to overthrow the duly elected president.
Putin 'made his move' after the September '21 Joint Statement on the US-Ukraine Strategic Partnership reiterated that Ukraine was on a path to NATO membership.
The Russians initial move in response to present a draft treaty on drawing a line on NATO enlargement.
This was rejected outright, and the people who warned that NATO enlargement would be treated by Russia as a 'hostile act' were proven right the following February.
One of those people who offered that warning, from when the neocons in the Bush administration first cooked up NATO expansion into Ukraine to the present, was the Russian ambassador who is currently the CIA Director.
So far no one on this board has suggested he is a 'Putin puppet', but then they haven't even acknowledged that he made the warnings and has been proven to have been correct. Funny how he's just ignored.
Yesterday morning here in Ukraine. F*uck Putin and Russia!
No, that is exactly what I meant - in 2014 neither Europe or Obama was willing to start a war after Russia took their first big bites of Ukraine. When trump lost re-election in 2020 Putin decided to try taking the rest of the country by force.
And as far as the rest of your propaganda -
"Russia’s remarkably relaxed reaction to the NATO accession of Finland and Sweden stands in stark contrast to the hysteria over Ukraine’s far less substantial ties to the military alliance. In the months leading up to Russia’s February 2022 full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Putin and other Kremlin leaders told the world that the escalating crisis was due to years of provocative NATO expansion, while warning that deepening ties between the Alliance and Ukraine represented a red line.
In reality, however, Ukraine in early 2022 was not even remotely close to joining NATO. Far from pursuing Ukraine, the Alliance had repeatedly sidestepped appeals from Kyiv for a Membership Action Plan, refusing to offer even a clear signal regarding future accession. On the eve of Russia’s invasion, the most optimistic forecasts indicated that Ukraine’s dream of joining NATO was still decades away."
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was never about NATO
Putin's relaxed response to the NATO accession of Finland and Sweden proves that he knows NATO enlargement poses no security threat to Russia but has used the issue as a smokescreen for the invasion of Ukraine, writes Peter Dickinson.
www.atlanticcouncil.org
The point still remains and is bolstered by your statement, why would Putin wait if U.S. support wasn’t coming and likely a weak NATO response under Trump? Instead he waits, in your view, to engage with Ukraine at the beginning of a Presidency that you deem more adversarial? It logically makes no sense.
Watching the Dems flail in defense of Bidens abortion of a plan in Ukraine is comic relief at this point.
Democrats cheering for war while waving the flags the women will save them....... and I thought gays for Palestine was going to be the peak.
A coward dies a thousand deaths and Joe Biden is pushing 900.
Democrats cheering for war while waving the flags the women will save them....... and I thought gays for Palestine was going to be the peak.
A coward dies a thousand deaths and Joe Biden is pushing 900.
An eye for a eye, you wipe out my electrical grid, i destroy yours. Just do it and ignore the cowardly CRYING CONS.
It's pretty clear that Trump intends to end the war. This has to be done to funnel as much money as possible to Ukraine and the US MIC while there's still money available.
I hope a long range missile lands in Putin's crotch.
Meanwhile Drump's son is posting stupid shit online.
America: You are stupid. Trump's entire family is compromised.
Meanwhile Drump's son is posting stupid shit online.
America: You are stupid. Trump's entire family is compromised.
You seem to have a better grasp of what is being discussed across the aisle than I do. Do Democrats even dispute Ukraine being a giant money laundering cover at this point?
Money laundering? Explain.
The pentagon just failed another audit. It's all made up numbers.
We "buy" 1000, "send" 100, and 10 actually get there. Meanwhile people who make 175k a year end up dying worth 250 million.....
Of course it is.
We leave Afghanistan and the MIC needs a new US Government revenue stream. There's also the Biden connections to Ukraine.
I figured you could piece in the parts about how money gets lost and washed in the process.
Bull shit. Show me your evidence. It is easy to make BS claims. Prove it
Got any other brain busters?
Pentagon fails 7th audit in a row, unable to fully account for $824B budget
The U.S. Department of Defense failed its seventh consecutive audit on Friday, with the agency unable to fully account for its $824 billion budget.
Got any other brain busters?
Pentagon fails 7th audit in a row, unable to fully account for $824B budget
The U.S. Department of Defense failed its seventh consecutive audit on Friday, with the agency unable to fully account for its $824 billion budget.www.google.com
Does not prove one thing you claimed. DOD budget has largely always had unnamed expenses. You claim specifics which your fox news link does not even support.
You literally have completely went of rails. Get it together
"The decision came as Russian forces invaded the eastern territory of Crimea in 2014 and pro-Russia President Viktor Yanukovych fled Ukraine. U.S. officials were concerned that providing Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia.
"In this sense, Cotton’s claim has some truth to it," said Brendan Green, associate professor at the University of Cincinnati's School of Public and International Affairs.
However, Obama’s White House approved other aid. In total, from 2014 to 2016, the United States committed more than $600 million in security assistance to Ukraine. Under Obama, the federal government started the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which sent other kinds of U.S. military equipment to the country. From federal fiscal years 2016 to 2019, which overlap with Obama and Trump, Congress appropriated $850 million.
Trump also withheld aid when trying to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. During a July 2019 phone call, Zelenskyy told Trump he was almost ready to buy more Javelins from the U.S. Trump replied by asking for "a favor," which was to collect dirt on Biden, a potential 2020 presidential race opponent at the time.
In January 2020, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office concluded that Trump abused his power by telling Zelenskyy the U.S. would provide Ukraine with security assistance and he would grant Zelenskyy a White House meeting only if Zelenskyy announced investigations into Trump’s political rivals. The House impeached Trump for this matter in 2019; the Senate acquitted him in 2020."
Fact check: Did Trump send Ukraine weapons that Obama and Biden withheld?
"The weapons that Ukraine used in the early days of this war to fend off the Russian invasion are the weapons that Donald Trump sent, that Barack Obama and Joe Biden had refused to send," Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said on June 16.
www.wral.com
"But while there is evidence that the Javelin sale has been a powerful gesture of support for Kyiv, the missiles’ military application has been far more limited. Under the conditions of the foreign military sale, the Trump administration stipulates that the Javelins must be stored in western Ukraine—hundreds of miles from the battlefield.
“I see these more as symbolic weapons than anything else,” said Samuel Charap, a senior political scientist at Rand Corp. Experts say the conditions of the sale render them useless in the event of a sustained low-level assault—the kind of attack Ukraine is most likely to face from Russia.
Trump’s claim about supplying far more critical military aid to Ukraine than Obama is hyperbolic at best in other ways. The Obama administration did draw criticism for its refusal to approve lethal assistance to Ukraine, including the Javelin missile sale Trump cited. But it did commit to Kyiv more than $600 million in security assistance and equipment, including armored Humvee vehicles, unmanned aerial vehicles, countermortar radars, night vision equipment, and medical supplies. "
Far From the Front Lines, Javelin Missiles Go Unused in Ukraine
Military support to the Eastern European country is at the center of a scandal that threatens to engulf the Trump administration.
foreignpolicy.com
Russia moved against Ukraine while Obama and Biden were in office. That's a fact."The decision came as Russian forces invaded the eastern territory of Crimea in 2014 and pro-Russia President Viktor Yanukovych fled Ukraine. U.S. officials were concerned that providing Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia.
"In this sense, Cotton’s claim has some truth to it," said Brendan Green, associate professor at the University of Cincinnati's School of Public and International Affairs.
However, Obama’s White House approved other aid. In total, from 2014 to 2016, the United States committed more than $600 million in security assistance to Ukraine. Under Obama, the federal government started the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which sent other kinds of U.S. military equipment to the country. From federal fiscal years 2016 to 2019, which overlap with Obama and Trump, Congress appropriated $850 million.
Trump also withheld aid when trying to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. During a July 2019 phone call, Zelenskyy told Trump he was almost ready to buy more Javelins from the U.S. Trump replied by asking for "a favor," which was to collect dirt on Biden, a potential 2020 presidential race opponent at the time.
In January 2020, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office concluded that Trump abused his power by telling Zelenskyy the U.S. would provide Ukraine with security assistance and he would grant Zelenskyy a White House meeting only if Zelenskyy announced investigations into Trump’s political rivals. The House impeached Trump for this matter in 2019; the Senate acquitted him in 2020."
Fact check: Did Trump send Ukraine weapons that Obama and Biden withheld?
"The weapons that Ukraine used in the early days of this war to fend off the Russian invasion are the weapons that Donald Trump sent, that Barack Obama and Joe Biden had refused to send," Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said on June 16.
"But while there is evidence that the Javelin sale has been a powerful gesture of support for Kyiv, the missiles’ military application has been far more limited. Under the conditions of the foreign military sale, the Trump administration stipulates that the Javelins must be stored in western Ukraine—hundreds of miles from the battlefield.
“I see these more as symbolic weapons than anything else,” said Samuel Charap, a senior political scientist at Rand Corp. Experts say the conditions of the sale render them useless in the event of a sustained low-level assault—the kind of attack Ukraine is most likely to face from Russia.
Trump’s claim about supplying far more critical military aid to Ukraine than Obama is hyperbolic at best in other ways. The Obama administration did draw criticism for its refusal to approve lethal assistance to Ukraine, including the Javelin missile sale Trump cited. But it did commit to Kyiv more than $600 million in security assistance and equipment, including armored Humvee vehicles, unmanned aerial vehicles, countermortar radars, night vision equipment, and medical supplies. "
Far From the Front Lines, Javelin Missiles Go Unused in Ukraine
Military support to the Eastern European country is at the center of a scandal that threatens to engulf the Trump administration.
Russia made no overt threats or took military action while Trump was in office. Putin openly said Trump is unpredictable. That's a fact.
Biden said a strong response might not be needed if there's a minor incursion. That's a fact.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ver-russia-minor-incursion-remark/6590573001/
A lot of novels are based on actual events, but take some literary license. I'll buy yours when it's published.
Jimmy, even you have to sense the "you have gone crazy" defense from the left has lost all its teeth.
No, I wasn't crazy when I told you the media was fake as shit and now they are going to deal with a billion dollar lawsuit.
No, I wasn't crazy when I told you the dems were going to try to use celebrities for influence including the lawfair brought on by Dinero outside the court house.
No, I wasn't crazy when I told you Fani Willis was a Hack and there was nothing there.
No, I wasnr crazy when I asked you "whats the plan" 2 years ago regsrdinf Ukraine and you deflected everything with "russia is bad" no shit, but that doesnt mean we need to pay the tab.
No, I wasn't crazy when I read that entire shower of shit from Jack Smith and asked where that "super respected" lawyer from DC presented anything that resembled a case, and you disappeared.
I wasn't crazy when I told you Tim Walz had stolen valor, "guns i carried in combat" is and will always be stolen valor for someone who never saw combat.
Crazy, sir, is continuing to defend the democrats and not taking 30 seconds to evaluate how many skeletons you actually have in the closet.
When trump lost, Putin had to take a chance the Dems would do what Obama did and deny more lethal aid. Thanks to the UK and France stiffening Biden's back, we did more than what Biden originally planned to do. (He made comments not taking it serously at first.)
"No more mixed signals
Unfortunately, the Trump administration, and particularly the president, continues to send mixed signals about U.S. resolve in addressing Russian aggression. Unlike Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, who issued a strong statement condemning Russia’s actions, the president’s initial statement suggests he believes Russia and Ukraine are equally responsible for the crisis. Coddling the Kremlin and other authoritarians, a signature Trump foreign policy move, is not in the U.S. interest; it weakens the country’s global standing and ability to address security challenges that threaten it and its allies."
https://www.gmfus.org/news/time-trump-stand-putin-after-sea-azov-attack
