Big 12 Clearly OVER RATED

[Lone Clone]

Originally posted by BGHAWK:

Just joking with you LC, and it's interesting because I've heard the same thing over the years about the Big ten and wait till the tournament and they will get a lot of fouls called on them.

It's always hurt Kansas, because KU gets special treatment from the officials in league play. That isn't an ISU excuse; ask fans of any team in the league, or just watch a few games. When the Jayhawks get where fouls are called, they aren't as overpowering. Although this year they weren't as strong as usual, anyway, and then got hurt at the end with the suspension of Alexander and the injury to Ellis.

Officiating had nothing whatever to do with the ISU or Baylor losses. And I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

I think what you mentioned was once the case in the Big Ten, when it was considered the nation's premier conference. At that time, the league was notorious for rough play. That isn't the case anymore.

Incidentally, what somebody said about judging based on seeds makes sense, IMHO. Not that the seeds are necessarily correct -- a lot of people thought Michigan State was underseeded this year and Kansas was overseeded -- but because the discussion is about image/reputation, and that's reflected in the seeding. The high seeds given to the Big XII teams indicates the perception of the league as being strong, and the performance of those teams indicates the perception was inaccurate.

I realize much of this discussion is just "feel good" for some posters, but the same discussion is taking place on the CR board, and the overwhelming consensus is that the league was indeed overrated.

 

[100yearscounting]

Looneyclown,

isu fans by in large love to tout SOS as a reason for why isu sucks in football. It is never isu's fault it is the schedule. Then the post season rolls around and the so called massively tough SOS shows that the Texas Ten isn't as good as clown fans thought. This has been the case for many years. Same thing for MBB. isu fans tout how great the Texas Ten is and then when the tourney rollls around they pee down their legs. Again it isn't just this year but for the last several.

But that is what is so entertaining abou isu fans.

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Now you can resume your semantics argument. Or just ignore the posts that back up my claim.

I am still betting on the semantics arguement.

What is this link supposed to prove? That several ISU fans are saying ACC is probably best conference? Okay.

Anyway, I am waiting for the links that show ISU fans saying that losing records in NCAA tourney are better than winning records, per YOUR post.

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Now you can resume your semantics argument. Or just ignore the posts that back up my claim.

I am still betting on the semantics arguement.

It's funny you had to go to page 4 of mbb forum to find this. Apparently, you are on CF quite frequently perusing posts for you to file away. What a whack job.

This post was edited on 3/28 3:34 PM by FG86

 

[navyrules]

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Now you can resume your semantics argument. Or just ignore the posts that back up my claim.

I am still betting on the semantics arguement.

It's funny you had to go to page 4 of mbb forum to find this. Apparently, you are on CF quite frequently perusing posts for you to file away. What a whack job.

This post was edited on 3/28 3:34 PM by FG86

Be honest with yourself, FG86. I think you know that many ISU fans have been on this board the last several years, and made the argument that the SOS of ISU's football and basketball is much better than Iowa's. It has been a much more prominent excuse for the abysmal record of the ISU football team by these posters, but it was also used for basketball. So how about we just take it for what it is, the Big 12 is not as good as advertised and it's not even close. I certainly hope you won't require 'links' to prove that.

 

[100yearscounting]

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Now you can resume your semantics argument. Or just ignore the posts that back up my claim.

I am still betting on the semantics arguement.

It's funny you had to go to page 4 of mbb forum to find this. Apparently, you are on CF quite frequently perusing posts for you to file away. What a whack job.

This post was edited on 3/28 3:34 PM by FG86

FG, the search function works so much better and it only takes seconds. The best part is that when you use the search function you get all kinds of wonderful clown fan behavior to pick from. But once again you ignore clown fans saying exactly what I said they did.

Maybe you should stick to semantics arguments FG, you might not look like such a tool.

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by navyrules:

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Now you can resume your semantics argument. Or just ignore the posts that back up my claim.

I am still betting on the semantics arguement.

It's funny you had to go to page 4 of mbb forum to find this. Apparently, you are on CF quite frequently perusing posts for you to file away. What a whack job.

This post was edited on 3/28 3:34 PM by FG86

Be honest with yourself, FG86. I think you know that many ISU fans have been on this board the last several years, and made the argument that the SOS of ISU's football and basketball is much better than Iowa's. It has been a much more prominent excuse for the abysmal record of the ISU football team by these posters, but it was also used for basketball. So how about we just take it for what it is, the Big 12 is not as good as advertised and it's not even close. I certainly hope you won't require 'links' to prove that.

I am asking for links where ISU fans said losing records in NCAA tourney are better than winning records. The link 100 has posted, if you read it, has several ISU people saying ACC is best conference. What is that link supposed to prove?

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Now you can resume your semantics argument. Or just ignore the posts that back up my claim.

I am still betting on the semantics arguement.

It's funny you had to go to page 4 of mbb forum to find this. Apparently, you are on CF quite frequently perusing posts for you to file away. What a whack job.

This post was edited on 3/28 3:34 PM by FG86

FG, the search function works so much better and it only takes seconds. The best part is that when you use the search function you get all kinds of wonderful clown fan behavior to pick from. But once again you ignore clown fans saying exactly what I said they did.

Maybe you should stick to semantics arguments FG, you might not look like such a tool.

Ummm yah. What words did you use for this search?

And where in your link does anyone state that a losing record in NCAA tourney is better than a winning record?

 

[navyrules]

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by navyrules:

Navy, this is what 100 claims is being said. Losing records in the NCAA tourney and Bowl games is ALWAYS better than winning records. Clown fans on cry-clown fanatic will tell you just ask.

 

[100yearscounting]

Hey FG,

I probably shouldn't assume you can properly use the search function which is located on cry-clown fanatic. It can save you so much time if you just use it. The best part is that Chrissy Williams saves everything.

If you need more help just ask.

 

[navyrules]

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by navyrules:

Navy, this is what 100 claims is being said. Losing records in the NCAA tourney and Bowl games is ALWAYS better than winning records. Clown fans on cry-clown fanatic will tell you just ask.

This is essentially what the two screen shots validate. You know that there are many ISU fans who have touted this, it's really not that hard to see. I just think your obvious disdain for 100 clouds your judgement on this, and then when 100 antagonizes you it makes it that much tougher to admit. So, step back, don't allow it to be personal and just be honest with yourself.

 

[100yearscounting]

Navyrules, owns FG.
This post was edited on 3/28 4:27 PM by 100yearscounting

 

[100yearscounting]

Where did FG run off to? No wories he will be back soon enough taking shots at Iowa or the Big Ten while defending isu and the Texas Ten at each and every opportunity.

Like all great clown fans he just can't help it.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Originally posted by dbodeenisudm:
Umm yeah it is over rated; i think they play too fast and free and dont understand you have to win in the half court to have success in the ncaa torney. But oddly that fast and free play works marveously in non con december and november weird deal. But yes it is safe to say the big 12 is terrible come march.

Bingo! The B12 plays a more exciting brand of bb, but that doesn't translate to the half court grind it out foul ridden NCAA tourney. Fortunately, there appears to be a groundswell towards speeding the games up to be more fan friendly. I expect the shot clock reduction soon, and slowly keep tweaking the game. This will hurt the B10. While the Clones didn't do as well as hoped in the tourney, the style of play and the success achieved over the full season, generated millions of $$$$ in PR and exposure by the networks.

 

[5Fan5]

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by dbodeenisudm:
Umm yeah it is over rated; i think they play too fast and free and dont understand you have to win in the half court to have success in the ncaa torney. But oddly that fast and free play works marveously in non con december and november weird deal. But yes it is safe to say the big 12 is terrible come march.

Bingo! The B12 plays a more exciting brand of bb, but that doesn't translate to the half court grind it out foul ridden NCAA tourney. Fortunately, there appears to be a groundswell towards speeding the games up to be more fan friendly. I expect the shot clock reduction soon, and slowly keep tweaking the game. This will hurt the B10. While the Clones didn't do as well as hoped in the tourney, the style of play and the success achieved over the full season, generated millions of $$$$ in PR and exposure by the networks.

You might just have to check that (bingo) card again....

During the 2013-14 season, the Big Ten clearly exceeded the big xii in attendance per NCAA statistics. The Big Ten had roughly 2.5 million attendance from its top ten teams whereas the big xii totaled only 1.8 million. Indiana, Wisconsin and Ohio State all bettered the big xii's best KU in overall and per game attendance. Nebraska, Illinois, Iowa and Michigan State were next in line prior to the next best team from the big xii, isu (20th).

Ten of the then twelve teams comprising the Big Ten were ranked in the top twenty-five attendance wise compared to just two of the ten (20%) of the big xii.

You are mistaking less disciplined and almost non-existent defensive play for "more exciting". The Big Ten has always adapted to rule changes and will continue to do so should shot clock or other regulations become mandatory. Likely, the Big Ten will also continue to play well in the post season and that alone will trump any falsely perceived 'millions of $$$$' in PR that you believe is coming isu's way anytime soon.

Back to the game!

This post was edited on 3/29 12:04 PM by 5Fan5

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by navyrules:

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by navyrules:

Navy, this is what 100 claims is being said. Losing records in the NCAA tourney and Bowl games is ALWAYS better than winning records. Clown fans on cry-clown fanatic will tell you just ask.

This is essentially what the two screen shots validate. You know that there are many ISU fans who have touted this, it's really not that hard to see. I just think your obvious disdain for 100 clouds your judgement on this, and then when 100 antagonizes you it makes it that much tougher to admit. So, step back, don't allow it to be personal and just be honest with yourself.

All I am asking for is links to ISU fans claiming losing records in the NCAA tourney and Bowl games is ALWAYS better than winning records. I have offered no comments or opinions on the subject.

 

[100yearscounting]

Yep the clowns would rather look good and entertain than win.

So who is in the elite 8 for looking good and entertaining? Is this in the Directors Cup standings that clown fans live to chirp about? I can't seem to find it.

 

[100yearscounting]

Whoosh it flies over FG's head once again.

Called it.

 

[Ronman]

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by dbodeenisudm:
Umm yeah it is over rated; i think they play too fast and free and dont understand you have to win in the half court to have success in the ncaa torney. But oddly that fast and free play works marveously in non con december and november weird deal. But yes it is safe to say the big 12 is terrible come march.

Bingo! The B12 plays a more exciting brand of bb, but that doesn't translate to the half court grind it out foul ridden NCAA tourney. Fortunately, there appears to be a groundswell towards speeding the games up to be more fan friendly. I expect the shot clock reduction soon, and slowly keep tweaking the game. This will hurt the B10. While the Clones didn't do as well as hoped in the tourney, the style of play and the success achieved over the full season, generated millions of $$$$ in PR and exposure by the networks.

There it is. The Big 12 falters in the tainted NCAA tournament, because the officials won't let them play their purer, more exciting style of basketball.

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by BGHAWK:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by dbodeenisudm:
Umm yeah it is over rated; i think they play too fast and free and dont understand you have to win in the half court to have success in the ncaa torney. But oddly that fast and free play works marveously in non con december and november weird deal. But yes it is safe to say the big 12 is terrible come march.

That's a valid point. I don't think it's rational to deny that the Big XII was over-seeded (overrated) this season. But you are correct that the officiating in the NCAA tournament is different than during the season, especially in the Big XII, and it reveals the weaknesses of the league's teams.

I think it could still be argued that over the course of a season, the Big XII is as tough or tougher than any other conference. Even the lower teams are usually pretty salty, and everybody has to play everybody else at least twice.

But with a #2 seed and three #3 seeds, the league certainly should have done better in the tournament than it did. Even if you discount the ISU and Baylor losses as anomalies.

So, it was the officiating this year. What was the excuse the 2 previous years? Was it the officiating too or what?

No, I didn't mean the teams got screwed by the officiating. I meant the type of basketball played in the Big XII isn't well suited to the NCAA tournament.

What type of basketball isn't well-suited to win the NCAA tourney?

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Yep the clowns would rather look good and entertain than win.

So who is in the elite 8 for looking good and entertaining? Is this in the Directors Cup standings that clown fans live to chirp about? I can't seem to find it.

Take your meds! 25 wins and a conference tournament championship may not be a very good year, but what are you gonna do?!! LOL!!

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Yep the clowns would rather look good and entertain than win.

So who is in the elite 8 for looking good and entertaining? Is this in the Directors Cup standings that clown fans live to chirp about? I can't seem to find it.

Take your meds! 25 wins and a conference tournament championship may not be a very good year, but what are you gonna do?!! LOL!!

The conference tourney championship isn't looking so good now.....that's the point.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Originally posted by Floyd_Of_Rosedale:

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Yep the clowns would rather look good and entertain than win.

So who is in the elite 8 for looking good and entertaining? Is this in the Directors Cup standings that clown fans live to chirp about? I can't seem to find it.

Take your meds! 25 wins and a conference tournament championship may not be a very good year, but what are you gonna do?!! LOL!!

The conference tourney championship isn't looking so good now.....that's the point.

When you play in the top power rated conference, it isn't too bad of an accomplishment. Just one question, where is the hawk's hardware?

 

[100yearscounting]

Pollad screams "It's Not Fair".

It isn't fair that the Texas Ten is forced to play teams that actually know how to play defense in the post season. Of course it doesn't matter if we are talking football or MBB the Texas Ten can't handle it eiher way.

Ouch

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Pollad screams "It's Not Fair".

It isn't fair that the Texas Ten is forced to play teams that actually know how to play defense in the post season. Of course it doesn't matter if we are talking football or MBB the Texas Ten can't handle it eiher way.

Ouch

Are you standing naked on the roof screaming this as you type? You are defiantly a kook! DOSE UP!

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by Floyd_Of_Rosedale:

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Yep the clowns would rather look good and entertain than win.

So who is in the elite 8 for looking good and entertaining? Is this in the Directors Cup standings that clown fans live to chirp about? I can't seem to find it.

Take your meds! 25 wins and a conference tournament championship may not be a very good year, but what are you gonna do?!! LOL!!

The conference tourney championship isn't looking so good now.....that's the point.

When you play in the top power rated conference, it isn't too bad of an accomplishment. Just one question, where is the hawk's hardware?

The Tejas 12 has a great disappearing act.

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by Floyd_Of_Rosedale:

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Yep the clowns would rather look good and entertain than win.

So who is in the elite 8 for looking good and entertaining? Is this in the Directors Cup standings that clown fans live to chirp about? I can't seem to find it.

Take your meds! 25 wins and a conference tournament championship may not be a very good year, but what are you gonna do?!! LOL!!

The conference tourney championship isn't looking so good now.....that's the point.

Stevie Alford would vehemently disagree.

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by Clonewithasigh:

Originally posted by 100yearscounting:
Pollad screams "It's Not Fair".

It isn't fair that the Texas Ten is forced to play teams that actually know how to play defense in the post season. Of course it doesn't matter if we are talking football or MBB the Texas Ten can't handle it eiher way.

Ouch

Are you standing naked on the roof screaming this as you type? You are defiantly a kook! DOSE UP!

Hahaha. Well sort of. Thought of JWR naked is scary.

 

[100yearscounting]

FG does it again.

Called it.

 

[100yearscounting]

The Directors Cup says Iowa is better than isu in MBB and clownfangonna cry needs meds to deal with it.

More I say we want more. We want more. We want more.

 

[100yearscounting]

Originally posted by navyrules:

This is essentially what the two screen shots validate. You know that there are many ISU fans who have touted this, it's really not that hard to see. I just think your obvious disdain for 100 clouds your judgement on this, and then when 100 antagonizes you it makes it that much tougher to admit. So, step back, don't allow it to be personal and just be honest with yourself.

FG just can't help it. He usually makes it worse on himself. He must have a goal to make sure there is no doubt in anyone's mind as to how much of a tool he is.

Do you want a backhoe to dig yourself a little deeper?

You can do it. You can do it. You can do it.

 

[Myvue]

Winning the Big 12 conference championship for the second year in a row sure beats losing in the first round of the tournament against the Big 10's 13th ranked team.

This post was edited on 3/30 11:51 AM by Myvue

 

[BeardedAxeWound]

Originally posted by Myvue:
Winning the Big 12 conference championship for the second year in a row sure beats losing in the first round of the tournament against the regional's 14th ranked team.

This post was edited on 3/30 11:51 AM by Myvue

FIFY

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Nobody will remember the Big12 conf tourney in a year or two. Everybody will remember UAB for decades to come! I still can picture that Hampton game like it was yesterday.

 

[gojojo]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by BGHAWK:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by dbodeenisudm:
Umm yeah it is over rated; i think they play too fast and free and dont understand you have to win in the half court to have success in the ncaa torney. But oddly that fast and free play works marveously in non con december and november weird deal. But yes it is safe to say the big 12 is terrible come march.

That's a valid point. I don't think it's rational to deny that the Big XII was over-seeded (overrated) this season. But you are correct that the officiating in the NCAA tournament is different than during the season, especially in the Big XII, and it reveals the weaknesses of the league's teams.

I think it could still be argued that over the course of a season, the Big XII is as tough or tougher than any other conference. Even the lower teams are usually pretty salty, and everybody has to play everybody else at least twice.

But with a #2 seed and three #3 seeds, the league certainly should have done better in the tournament than it did. Even if you discount the ISU and Baylor losses as anomalies.

So, it was the officiating this year. What was the excuse the 2 previous years? Was it the officiating too or what?

No, I didn't mean the teams got screwed by the officiating. I meant the type of basketball played in the Big XII isn't well suited to the NCAA tournament.

I got together with a group of old friends this weekend, some Hawkeye fans, some Cyclone fans. We all agreed with this statement; that the Big 12 is does not play a tournament friendly style of BBall. They love to run and gun and chuck 3's early in the shot clock. A wild brand of BBALL, but I just don't see that winning consistently in a tournament with all of these different styles of play. Teams that can keep their tempo, slow it down, grind it out, play physical, and rebound are going to give teams like Oklahoma, ISU, and Baylor absolute fits.

Oklahoma has to be the most frustrating team to be a fan of. No lead is safe as they get a lead and seem to play as if they are still behind. Very odd strategy and one ugly style of BBALL

 

[FG86]

Originally posted by ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK:
Nobody will remember the Big12 conf tourney in a year or two. Everybody will remember UAB for decades to come! I still can picture that Hampton game like it was yesterday.

Does anyone really remember the NCAA tournament champion years down the road? Sure we remember teams here or there, but without googling, do you remember who won the 2006 NCAA title?

 

[100yearscounting]

Does anyone remember who had the best SOS in college football in 2006? How about the top 5?

Does that ever stop clown fans from touting it year in and year out? Nope and it never will. Which is just one reason clown fans are so damn entertaining.

More I say, we want more. We want more. We want more.

 

[5Fan5]

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK:
Nobody will remember the Big12 conf tourney in a year or two. Everybody will remember UAB for decades to come! I still can picture that Hampton game like it was yesterday.

Does anyone really remember the NCAA tournament champion years down the road? Sure we remember teams here or there, but without googling, do you remember who won the 2006 NCAA title?
Which of the two, national champion or conference champion do you think will have longer staying power as far as being remembered/recalled?

The thread topic is about the big xii being overrated. You either agree or you do not. Thus far, it seems as if all you wish to do is deflect, spin, dance, manipulate, ignore, avoid and run from that topic.

So very typical of you.

 

[gojojo]

Originally posted by FG86:

Originally posted by ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK:
Nobody will remember the Big12 conf tourney in a year or two. Everybody will remember UAB for decades to come! I still can picture that Hampton game like it was yesterday.

Does anyone really remember the NCAA tournament champion years down the road? Sure we remember teams here or there, but without googling, do you remember who won the 2006 NCAA title?

That was the year Iowa lost to Nwstrn St and George Mason's big run.
Florida won, but I can't recall who they beat. They won two in a row, I recall that