Without looking it up....didn't they knock off Ohio State? I know they did one of their two back to back titles.
Big 12 Clearly OVER RATED
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But what really matters is what the SOS was. Clown fans love their SOS blanky's. Don't anyone dare to point out how meaningless SOS has proven to be regardless if we are talking MBB or football clown fans go crazy.
Florida. Didn't google, so yes people remember. I still don't understand why you claim to be a Hawk fan, it's really quite amusing/pathetic.
I dont think the B1G was the best conference this year, but the Big 12 was for sure not the best. When you go back to back NCAA tournaments without getting a team past the round of 16, you are not the best. You can play the most "competitive" basketball during the season, but when it counts, the big 12 has flopped.
As for the where is the hawks "hardware" comment. I would take winning a game in the NCAA tournament and making round of 32 over losing first game after winning the conference championship all day, every day and twice on Sunday. Congrats on your disappointing and very embarrassing end to the season. Better luck next year.
As for the where is the hawks "hardware" comment. I would take winning a game in the NCAA tournament and making round of 32 over losing first game after winning the conference championship all day, every day and twice on Sunday. Congrats on your disappointing and very embarrassing end to the season. Better luck next year.
I agree without a doubt Iowa State should have won the game though perhaps not as easily as you might think. UAB's coach played for Kansas at the same time Hoiberg played for Iowa State. I didn't know this until I read it but Haase has coached at UAB for the last three seasons. In his 15 years prior to that he was an assistant coach for Roy Williams both at Kansas and at North Carolina. I think he probably knows a trick or two. Probably was an ugly game and ugly games often favor the underdog.
Not making any excuses but I see Naz Long is having hip surgery tomorrow. After reading that and since I knew he had been injured several games back and I love dabbling in stats I looked at his game log. Prior to the injury he scored in double figures in 65% of his games but after the injury only 1 game in his last 11. Iowa State was the only team in the nation to have 6 players averaging in double figures all of the regular season so they didn't lose the game because they were over rated and they only lost by 1 point, not 19..
That isn't an excuse for them losing but possibly a reason as well as Kansas if instead of bashing them you bothered to check it out. Iowa State did beat Kansas in the tournament finals but each had ailing players as Kansas top scorer had missed some games due to injury though he did score well in the tournament finals they did lose. Kansas was also without their freshman phenom top 5 recruit for the latter part of the season. How well would the Hawkeyes perform without one or more of their leading scorers.
Iowa had better improve greatly next season because they won't have as many cupcake conference games as they did this season. Iowa only played 1 AP Top ranked Big 10 team in their last 10 Big 10 games going 1-0 over Maryland. Iowa State beat 5 of 6 AP Top 25 ranked teams in their last 10 conference games. UAB did not beat because they were the better team, to bad about that. The way Iowa fans like to boast about winning their first NCAA game in 14 or so years don't try and tell me they wouldn't be shouting it from the roof tops if they had won the Big 10 tournament this year and they shouldn't be telling teams who did it doesn't mean anything. I think Iowa will tell everyone it means something when and if they ever win the Big 10 tournament.
This post was edited on 4/1 2:34 AM by Myvue
This post was edited on 4/1 2:37 AM by Myvue
Not making any excuses but I see Naz Long is having hip surgery tomorrow. After reading that and since I knew he had been injured several games back and I love dabbling in stats I looked at his game log. Prior to the injury he scored in double figures in 65% of his games but after the injury only 1 game in his last 11. Iowa State was the only team in the nation to have 6 players averaging in double figures all of the regular season so they didn't lose the game because they were over rated and they only lost by 1 point, not 19..
That isn't an excuse for them losing but possibly a reason as well as Kansas if instead of bashing them you bothered to check it out. Iowa State did beat Kansas in the tournament finals but each had ailing players as Kansas top scorer had missed some games due to injury though he did score well in the tournament finals they did lose. Kansas was also without their freshman phenom top 5 recruit for the latter part of the season. How well would the Hawkeyes perform without one or more of their leading scorers.
Iowa had better improve greatly next season because they won't have as many cupcake conference games as they did this season. Iowa only played 1 AP Top ranked Big 10 team in their last 10 Big 10 games going 1-0 over Maryland. Iowa State beat 5 of 6 AP Top 25 ranked teams in their last 10 conference games. UAB did not beat because they were the better team, to bad about that. The way Iowa fans like to boast about winning their first NCAA game in 14 or so years don't try and tell me they wouldn't be shouting it from the roof tops if they had won the Big 10 tournament this year and they shouldn't be telling teams who did it doesn't mean anything. I think Iowa will tell everyone it means something when and if they ever win the Big 10 tournament.
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Iowa State beat 5 of 6 Big 12 teams. Throw the rankings out as it's been proven they were worthless. Why would Cyclone fans continue to talk about how tough the big 12 was - it really wasn't. Iowa was a good team not great regardless of how good the Big 10 really is vs. the perception. Iowa State was a good team not great regardless of who was ranked in the Big 12. And yes Iowa State beat Iowa in December so I can't say Iowa was better - I do know as a fan I would have liked Iowa's chances in a rematch. By the way Texas Southern is better than Michigan State and Rutgers is better than Wisconsin. Oh and South Carolina is better than a couple teams.
I thought the B12 was pretty good this year. Honestly was shocked that ISU and Baylor flamed out. Baylor maybe a bit less so, they tend to be hot/cold, but ISU won the B12 tourney. The games were close, but they showed they could close out tough games.
It does seems like Kansas gets too much credit for just being Kansas, which helps raise the whole B12 profile.
It does seems like Kansas gets too much credit for just being Kansas, which helps raise the whole B12 profile.
I agree with pretty much all of this, especially Kansas. They won the close games this year during league play and ISU didn't, and that's the name of that tune.
As for rating the season, there are some people here who are either nuts or in denial. Honest answer requested, leave Iowa State out of it and tell me if you think this year's Hawkeye team had a better season than the 2005-2006 Hawkeye team.
I would take this season hands down. What matters most is what you do in the tournament. Its why you play the regular season. If you can't play your best ball when it matters the most in the biggest game of the year then whats the point? Making rd of 32 makes this season far superior to losing in rd of 64.
LOL.
Option 1: Ranked all year, second in the conference by one game, win the conference tournament, upset in the round of 64.
Option 2: Up and down year, not a factor in the conference race, ousted in the first round of the conference tournament by the worst team in the league, blown out in the round of 32.
You really think Option 2 is a more successful season?
Sorry, can't go with you there. Recency has a way of making everything that happened yesterday seem better than what happened in the past.
The 2005-06 Hawkeyes were an elite defensive team that came a bad bounce at Northwestern away from breaking the regular season conference drought. Ranked nearly all year, win the B1G tournament. Then of course the excruciating loss to Northwestern State. Wouldn't trade that for a tied for 3rd in the league and a Round of 64 win (which is what Iowa did this year).
Yes, the NCAA tournament matters. If this year's Iowa squad had dropped Gonzaga and made it to the Sweet 16, I would agree with you. But the conference tournament title is in the trophy case forever. Winning 1 game in the NCAA tournament isn't the equivalent.
The 2005-06 Hawkeyes were an elite defensive team that came a bad bounce at Northwestern away from breaking the regular season conference drought. Ranked nearly all year, win the B1G tournament. Then of course the excruciating loss to Northwestern State. Wouldn't trade that for a tied for 3rd in the league and a Round of 64 win (which is what Iowa did this year).
Yes, the NCAA tournament matters. If this year's Iowa squad had dropped Gonzaga and made it to the Sweet 16, I would agree with you. But the conference tournament title is in the trophy case forever. Winning 1 game in the NCAA tournament isn't the equivalent.
Without a doubt.
Look at the flip side. Michigan State was completely Option 2, losing 11 games, but is now in the Final 4. One of their best seasons ever. Regular season and conference tournament only matter on if you get into the tournament and what seed you are. This season will be remembered forever at Michigan State - not because of their 11 losses including TX Southern.
OK. If you think making the Final Four is equivalent to beating Davidson and getting blown out by Gonzaga, then I understand perfectly why you believe Option 2 is better than Option 1.
Oh, I understand exactly what you said. But you apparently do not.
We are not talking about the relative success of a season that ends in the Final Four. That's an entirely different subject. You leapt from discussing a season that ends in the second round of the tournament with a season that ends in the Final Four. Had Iowa gotten to the Final Four, I would have agreed that Iowa had a better season than ISU.
At one point a few years ago, I would actually have preferred a conference title to a berth in the final Four, but that was because ISU hadn't won a conference title in 55 years. But winning titles in '00 and '01 ended that drought. Give me a choice for next year between winning the Big XII and making the Final Four, and I'd take the latter in a heartbeat. Give me a choice between winning the conference and making the Sweet Sixteen, I'll take the former (talking about the conference championship, not the conference tournament).
Looking back at last year, ISU made it to the Sweet Sixteen and lost a close game to the eventual NC. If I could wave a wand for a do-over and one of my options was not making the Sweet Sixteen but winning the conference, I'd unquestionably choose it.
A conference championship represents an entire season of achievement. It lasts forever in the record books.
Actually, one of the 3 seeds played to its seed, but two 3s and a 2 did not. I don't know how your point can be denied. The comments about the style of play are true, IMHO, but that doesn't excuse the egg laid by the top Big XII teams this year.
Clown fans love touting the Directors Cup unitlnit shows Iowa is better than isu, then it must be ignored.
Glad we cleared that up.
Glad we cleared that up.
You did not win the conference championship. Kansas did. You won the tournament conference championship. That DOES NOT represent the entire season of achievement. You haven't won the conference in quite some time. I love that Iowa had a more successful season this year. Round of 32 - love it! Go Blazers
OK, I give up. I simply cannot write dumb enough for you to understand.
In the post TO WHICH YOU WERE REPLYING, I not only made it clear I was talking about '00 and '01, but in the next paragraph - just to make sure that even a moron would understand -- I wrote Give me a choice between winning the conference and making the Sweet Sixteen, I'll take the former (talking about the conference championship, not the conference tournament).
You are officially hopeless.
I agree with pretty much all of this, especially Kansas. They won the close games this year during league play and ISU didn't, and that's the name of that tune.
Curiosity got the best of me with your statement about Kansas winning close games in league play and ISU didn't and that isn't true. ISU won a lot of blow out games even in conference but in all games they won 8 and lost 4 in games decided by 1 to 4 points and Kansas won 3 and lost 3.
I didn't know how many close games Kansas played but knew ISU played several and though they lost some close games I knew they won several so did a comparison. I used the criteria of wins or losses by 4 points or less.
ISU conference games won 6 and lost 2 and non conference won 2 and lost 2 by 1 to 4 points.
Kan conference games won 2 and lost 3 and non conference won 1 and lost 0 by 1 to 4 points.
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Curiosity got the best of me with your statement about Kansas winning close games in league play and ISU didn't and that isn't true. ISU won a lot of blow out games even in conference but in all games they won 8 and lost 4 in games decided by 1 to 4 points and Kansas won 3 and lost 3.
I didn't know how many close games Kansas played but knew ISU played several and though they lost some close games I knew they won several so did a comparison. I used the criteria of wins or losses by 4 points or less.
ISU conference games won 6 and lost 2 and non conference won 2 and lost 2 by 1 to 4 points.
Kan conference games won 2 and lost 3 and non conference won 1 and lost 0 by 1 to 4 points.
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It looks to me like in the regular season -- "league play" -- both were 2-2 in conference games decided by 1-4 points. Then ISU was 3-0 in the conference tournament in such games. But you are correct that I was wrong, and I appreciate the correction. It was a matter of perception, I guess. A fan tends to remember the bad aspects....at least I do
Just for a fun comparison..
Teams defeated by a Big Ten team in the 2015 tournament:
Coastal Carolina
Oregon
North Carolina
Arizona
Georgia
Louisville
Viriginia
Oklahoma
Davidson
Valpo
VCU
Teams defeated by a Big 12 team in the 2015 tournament:
Buffalo
Maryland
New Mexico State
LSU
Villanova
Albany
Dayton
Which conference is the better one again?
Teams defeated by a Big Ten team in the 2015 tournament:
Coastal Carolina
Oregon
North Carolina
Arizona
Georgia
Louisville
Viriginia
Oklahoma
Davidson
Valpo
VCU
Teams defeated by a Big 12 team in the 2015 tournament:
Buffalo
Maryland
New Mexico State
LSU
Villanova
Albany
Dayton
Which conference is the better one again?
ISU was 3-2 in regular season conference games and 3-0 in the conference tournament decided by 1 to 4 points. What bit them the most was the 1 point losses of which they had three and they had the lead up to the last few seconds of all three games. With the two conference road losses by one point being in regular season conference games with just two more points in each game they would have won the conference championship outright. They were so close but no cigar.
I used to follow NBA games and the fans would say you can't play every game like it's a play off game. Well even two points in one game can make a huge difference at the end of the season and it can come down to one game of whether teams even make the playoffs in the NBA.
I used to follow NBA games and the fans would say you can't play every game like it's a play off game. Well even two points in one game can make a huge difference at the end of the season and it can come down to one game of whether teams even make the playoffs in the NBA.
Right about the 3-2. My memory sucks.
It seemed much worse than that. I remembered the previous year's team as doing much better in close games....but maybe I misremembered that, as well.
Yeah, if Niang doesn't go brain dead and throw the in-bounds pass right to the Kansas State player, we tie KU for the league title.
Or look at the games the two teams played at Baylor. Against ISU, Baylor made a very tough off-balance shot at the end to win by one. Against KU, Baylor missed a bunny and a put-back at the end and lost by one. Switch those and you switch the positions of KU and ISU in the final standings.
But that's hoops.
Probably not the conference that has losses to Gardner-Web, Incarnate Word, Eastern Washington, New Jersey Institute of Technology, Texas Southern, and North Florida....
