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Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, U Conn, Colorado State? Some real bold choices - powerhouses..

Feel like it's the beginning of the end. With Texas down and the Baylor controversy it seems like a one team conference. On the other hand having teams in the big TV markets seems like a page out of the Big 10 handbook

Thoughts?
 
Houston has to be in there. Although that would make a lot of sense so it probably won't happen.
 
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I would agree Houston should probably be included, however with the exception of a having a good year here and there, they are more of a glorified Texas MAC team which won't bring any prestige to the conference. Of course, how many years had Baylor been a doormat before they made a turnaround, and how far will they backslide. Either way, the Big 12 has issues.
 
Houston makes sense if looking to bring TV sets(= $) which is the ultimate goal.
 
SDHawkDoc said:
Houston makes sense if looking to bring TV sets(= $) which is the ultimate goal.
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scotthawk1964 said:
I would agree Houston should probably be included, however with the exception of a having a good year here and there, they are more of a glorified Texas MAC team which won't bring any prestige to the conference. Of course, how many years had Baylor been a doormat before they made a turnaround, and how far will they backslide. Either way, the Big 12 has issues.
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Could say the same for TCU. Joining the Big 12 can help them sustain the level they are currently at
 
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Don't get how adding Houston adds tv sets. The Big 12 already has Texas. They lost the Houston market because A&M left. Adding Houston will not add much in the way of ratings for the Big 12.
 
All schools with better football programs than Iowa State.

Houston and BYU make sense. But if the Big 12 would be think about inviting Colorado State, they might as well go for Boise State. Adding BYU and Boise State would be back to back homeruns for the Big 12. I'm not sure if there's any interest from those schools and they may end up in the PAC anyway. But if you're looking to expand the Big 12, those two schools definitely need to be in the conversation and you need to make some sort of run at them both.
 
His Hawkness said:
Don't get how adding Houston adds tv sets. The Big 12 already has Texas. They lost the Houston market because A&M left. Adding Houston will not add much in the way of ratings for the Big 12.
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As I tried to imply above, I'm pretty sure people in Houston probably already get Big 12 games on their TVs. Bringing the Cougars on board would add approximately 84 eyeballs.
 
None of it will matter unless both Texas and OU sign an extended GoR. Their current one is up right around the time the B1G's next TV contract is up. If they don't sign a new GoR with the latest expansion, the conference is dead.
 
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I feel Connecticut is a crazy choice. Similar to our choice of Rutgers but with a better football program. A northeast team which may tap into the NY market, yet so far from the geographic center of the B12. Straight up money consideration IMO
 
Ree4 said:
Big 12

Big 12 #2

Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, U Conn, Colorado State? Some real bold choices - powerhouses..

Feel like it's the beginning of the end. With Texas down and the Baylor controversy it seems like a one team conference. On the other hand having teams in the big TV markets seems like a page out of the Big 10 handbook

Thoughts?
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It really comes down to Texas and OU agreeing to extend the current Grant of Rights with the B12 beyond 2025. If for whatever reason they don't want to do this then the B12 ceases being a Power 5 league.
 
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There is a great deal of talk and speculation on XM Radio College Sports channel that if Big 12 implodes, then Iowa State and Kansas State are left without a conference. I feel bad for KSU, but I think it's pretty funny how high and mighty the ISU program and fan base is despite their 8-28 record the last three years.

Opinions vary, but they media generally speculates if four super conferences emerge from the Big12 wreckage then...

Texas and Kansas (because of bball) to the Big10
OK and Okie St to SEC
WV to the ACC
BU, TCU and Tx Tech to the Pac12
 
I really hope the Big 12 doesn't eventually implode, but I'm fearful its obituary was written when it decided to only extend an invitation to West Virginia and stay at 10 schools. At the time, both Pitt and Louisville were available. If they'd gone to 12 teams with those two schools, it would be a much more solid conference now, and geographically it would make more sense with West Virginia not so isolated. Instead, now they are stuck with Cincinnati and UConn as the only options for getting West Virginia a geographic rival. And then adding yet another Texas school, or school (BYU) that can't play sports on Sunday which causes issues for non-revenue sports, or choosing from school that is the second or even third most popular team in its TV market.

When the conference was down to 9 schools and on life support, it still had the chance to save itself, but again a lack of leadership and vision failed it.
 
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For what it's worth Bill Synder says two former Big 12 schools want back in - assuming that's Missouri and Colorado. I say pay Missouri/the SEC whatever it takes to swap Missouri and West Virginia. I'm sure WV would jump at the chance to get in the SEC even if they have to take significantly less money for a period. It would also fix the SEC's Missouri in the SEC East wonkiness. WV is on an island which nobody is happy about, and adding Cincinnati, UConn or Florida schools just makes the Big 12 a sprawling conference that just won't work long-term.

The Pac 12 adds BYU (or Boise) to replace Colorado. Even trade I think.

That gets them to 11. Add Colorado St. or Houston as the 12th. Neither adds many TVs, but at least they are regional rivals adding interesting games that other people in the country will want to watch.
 
LinusPF said:
For what it's worth Bill Synder says two former Big 12 schools want back in - assuming that's Missouri and Colorado. I say pay Missouri/the SEC whatever it takes to swap Missouri and West Virginia. I'm sure WV would jump at the chance to get in the SEC even if they have to take significantly less money for a period. It would also fix the SEC's Missouri in the SEC East wonkiness. WV is on an island which nobody is happy about, and adding Cincinnati, UConn or Florida schools just makes the Big 12 a sprawling conference that just won't work long-term.

The Pac 12 adds BYU (or Boise) to replace Colorado. Even trade I think.

That gets them to 11. Add Colorado St. or Houston as the 12th. Neither adds many TVs, but at least they are regional rivals adding interesting games that other people in the country will want to watch.
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I haven't seen anything from any former Big 12 schools to suggest Snyder knew what he was talking about when he said that.
 
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abolishing the Big 12 is the logical answer....
then you would have 4 Power Conferences... and then you could take the 4 Conference Champions and have your perfect playoff system.

it would legitimatize the College Playoffs.

also you wouldn't have ESPN people predicting 3 and 4 SEC teams in the College Playoffs like we keep seeing every year.

imagine if the NFL adopted the College system of selecting teams.
 
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GarryO37 said:
All schools with better football programs than Iowa State.

Houston and BYU make sense. But if the Big 12 would be think about inviting Colorado State, they might as well go for Boise State. Adding BYU and Boise State would be back to back homeruns for the Big 12. I'm not sure if there's any interest from those schools and they may end up in the PAC anyway. But if you're looking to expand the Big 12, those two schools definitely need to be in the conversation and you need to make some sort of run at them both.
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Here's a tip: Anybody who suggests Boise State for the Big XII is either kidding or woefully unaware of reality.
 
rchawk said:
I haven't seen anything from any former Big 12 schools to suggest Snyder knew what he was talking about when he said that.
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I have no idea who Snyder talked to or what was said. I don't know anybody who's taking that too seriously.

Having said that, there are fans of Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska who aren't happy with their new situation. But that's a far cry from any serious talk about rejoining the league.
 
scotthawk1964 said:
I would agree Houston should probably be included, however with the exception of a having a good year here and there, they are more of a glorified Texas MAC team which won't bring any prestige to the conference. Of course, how many years had Baylor been a doormat before they made a turnaround, and how far will they backslide. Either way, the Big 12 has issues.
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As an outside the box idea, maybe the B1G should grab Houston and maybe Miami?
 
Lone Clone said:
I have no idea who Snyder talked to or what was said. I don't know anybody who's taking that too seriously.

Having said that, there are fans of Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska who aren't happy with their new situation. But that's a far cry from any serious talk about rejoining the league.
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Regardless of what Syder knows or what's going to happen, I think it makes much sense to get Missouri back into the conference....so that'll never happen.
 
Lone Clone said:
I have no idea who Snyder talked to or what was said. I don't know anybody who's taking that too seriously.

Having said that, there are fans of Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska who aren't happy with their new situation. But that's a far cry from any serious talk about rejoining the league.
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I would not miss NE if they left the BIG, not a fit. I think there fans are stunned they have not dominated the BIG in football as they predicted. I would guess those BIG football champion shirts for the first 10 years after they joined are selling at a steep discount.
 
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Lone Clone said:
I have no idea who Snyder talked to or what was said. I don't know anybody who's taking that too seriously.

Having said that, there are fans of Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska who aren't happy with their new situation. But that's a far cry from any serious talk about rejoining the league.
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I would bet that a majority of fans in Missouri and Colorado still wish they were in the Big 12. Nebraska is perfectly happy where they are and glad to be away from Texas.
 
Colorado is very west coast oriented. Many students and alumni are from Cali. Californication has happened in Colorado as well so culturally they are a fit in the PAC.

Snyder is flat wrong in his statement. There isn't a single school that has left that regrets it and nobody wants to come back aboard the sinking ship that is the Big12.
 
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There isn't a single school that has left that regrets it and nobody wants to come back aboard the sinking ship that is the Big12.
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I think the first part of that statement is incorrect, but I think the second part probably is right. I think a lot of Missouri and some Nebraska fans regret leaving the Big 12 and putting it on its deathbed. But I think that most also probably realize that it can't be undone and going back would be too big of a risk.
 
WhiteSoxClone said:
I think the first part of that statement is incorrect, but I think the second part probably is right. I think a lot of Missouri and some Nebraska fans regret leaving the Big 12 and putting it on its deathbed. But I think that most also probably realize that it can't be undone and going back would be too big of a risk.
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Of course there are fans that would love to go back to the Big 8/12 but no one making decisions for the Universities shares that line of thinking.
 
Lone Clone said:
Here's a tip: Anybody who suggests Boise State for the Big XII is either kidding or woefully unaware of reality.
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The only reason Boise State is in the discussion is because they have more of a national football brand than any other potential expansion candidate not named BYU.
 
WhiteSoxClone said:
I think the first part of that statement is incorrect, but I think the second part probably is right. I think a lot of Missouri and some Nebraska fans regret leaving the Big 12 and putting it on its deathbed. But I think that most also probably realize that it can't be undone and going back would be too big of a risk.
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If Nebraska would bolt and return to the Texas Ten we would never see another skirt fan on this site. The crybabys leaving after being slapped around by the Big 10 wouldn't be something skirt fans want any part of.
 
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Texas does not want Houston. They do not want to share recruits from the Houston area.
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UT wants Houston as they are horse trading. UT wants to open a satellite campus in Houston, but UH is blocking for now. It would appear a deal is imminent.
 
whatsup13579er said:
Of course there are fans that would love to go back to the Big 8/12 but no one making decisions for the Universities shares that line of thinking.
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Unfortunately, you are mistaken. There are a couple former members interested in returning.
 
whatsup13579er said:
The only reason Boise State is in the discussion is because they have more of a national football brand than any other potential expansion candidate not named BYU.
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Boise State's football brand is that of a small school that can upset a major one from time to time. Even if it were more than that, it wouldn't be enough to get the Broncos serious consideration.

No televisions. No fan base. Small stadium. Weak academics. No profile in other sports.
 
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