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Big Ten Baseball Tournament Scores, Schedule & Standings (6/5)

not_mantiteo said:
I’m relatively new to college baseball. What hoops would Iowa have to jump through to make it to the CWS? We live kind of close and it would be fun to go watch that
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For any team to get to the CWS you need a decent amount of pitching, hitting and defense along with luck in your regional and super regional draw. Just think of how many D1 baseball teams there are (almost 300) and only 8 make it to Omaha.

The blue bloods and southern teams have a great advantage with year round great weather, recruiting and past success so it's tough for northern teams like Iowa to get there although it has been done (e.g. Notre Dame, Indiana and Oregon State to name a few). Iowa definitely could get there although lots of pieces would need to fall in place but let's just say Brody, Marcus and Ty are all hitting their spots and the bats remain hot like they did yesterday...whose to say we can't go on a run? Did you see that 5th inning yesterday? Very, very impressive...you go from pulling your hair out walking the bases loaded to striking out side and avoiding a single run? Then, you hit a grand salami w/2 outs in bottom of inning?

Translation: baseball and sports are crazy games, I've seen more than my fair share of joy and heartbreak across pro and college sports. One day bats are hot, then ice cold the next day...the transitive property simply doesn't exist and each day is a fresh start.

TL/DR version: It's difficult for anyone to get to CWS!
 
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AuroraHawk said:
Awfully punitive to Loser of 4/5 game. That team would have to play twice in one day. As it played out, the 6 seed would play its second game on more rest than a better seeded (either 4 or 5 seed) team.
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in a tournament nothing is really fair or unfair. as it is all about surviving and moving on. it may sound cruel/unfair but in a elimination format you deal with any situation.
 
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AuroraHawk said:
Awfully punitive to Loser of 4/5 game. That team would have to play twice in one day. As it played out, the 6 seed would play its second game on more rest than a better seeded (either 4 or 5 seed) team.
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1. Then don't lose
2. Why should MSU get an advantage of a days worth of rest in between games?
3. The winners of both elimination games then get a full days rest.
 
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ssckelley said:
1. Then don't lose
2. Why should MSU get an advantage of a days worth of rest in between games?
3. The winners of both elimination games then get a full days rest.
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I see your point but I really don't think that the B1G wanted to force either the 4 or the 5 seed to play at 10:00 a.m. today and then play again at 7:00 p.m. tonight against (more than likely the 8 seed). It's a balancing act. You want to reward the #2 and #3 seeds by letting them play on Tuesday and give the #1 seed the opportunity to choose whether to play on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. This way the loser of the #4/#5 game has practically one full day off before having to play for its tournament existence.
 
karnack1955 said:
in a tournament nothing is really fair or unfair. as it is all about surviving and moving on. it may sound cruel/unfair but in a elimination format you deal with any situation.
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Of course the B1G conference is trying to factor “fairness” into the schedule. Seeding teqms as opposed to randomly drawing teams is the most glaring example. The B1G extended the tournament by one day to not only hedge against bad weather but also against games that were finishing well into the following morning.

To my recollection, the B1G has never structured its tournament where a team might be eliminated on the same day as its initial game. There has always been a second game on another day.

I think that it is safe to conclude that line of thought was used to have only one loser’s bracket game played today.
 
not_mantiteo said:
I’m relatively new to college baseball. What hoops would Iowa have to jump through to make it to the CWS? We live kind of close and it would be fun to go watch that
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It's not easy for any team. It's a system setup to try to make sure the best really make it. It's a 64 team tournament. Four teams each in a regional which are all essentially double elimination mini tournaments. Then you're "Sweet 16" are super regionals. Best 2/3 series between the teams that face. Your "Elite 8" is then the CWS.
 
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HawkeyeGenius said:
It's not easy for any team. It's a system setup to try to make sure the best really make it. It's a 64 team tournament. Four teams each in a regional which are all essentially double elimination mini tournaments. Then you're "Sweet 16" are super regionals. Best 2/3 series between the teams that face. Your "Elite 8" is then the CWS.
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Wow that really helps. Thanks!
 
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from watching, the teams with best and deepest pitching staff usually go the farthest.

in Iowa case Heller has the youngest and his best group of pitchers and they return their top 2 in Brecht and Morgan but Lewellon has a choice to make either return for his SR season or take a shot at the Pro's. if he returns the weekend starter all return
 
karnack1955 said:
from watching, the teams with best and deepest pitching staff usually go the farthest.

in Iowa case Heller has the youngest and his best group of pitchers and they return their top 2 in Brecht and Morgan but Lewellon has a choice to make either return for his SR season or take a shot at the Pro's. if he returns the weekend starter all return
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Llewellyn isn’t a starter. He’s a one or two inning reliever.

Langenberg is the other weekend starter. He was pre-season B1G pitcher of the year and has not lived up to his performance last year but - even if you refer to him as a “3,” that’s a freaking luxury. He has at least one more year of eligibility (can he claim a COVID year?).

If Brecht and Morgan stay on the squad, the pitching could be incredible. Obermueller was a potential draftee coming out of high school and has showed flashes of brilliance. Lefty arm? Tricky arm angle? Yes, please! Savary has shown promise. Whitlock has shown promise. In my mind, there won’t be a staff in the B1G next year that - from top to bottom - can match-up with what will be on the roster.

Significant holes to fill next year with bats leaving but that’s an easier “fix.”

My focus is on the now but, damn, there’s LOTS to like if Iowa dowan’t get slapped in the face by the portal.
 
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thx on the correction, but as with Luke as a JR will have a choice of declaring for the draft or return for his SR season,

as for the hitters Dorighi came from Wolford as a transfer. in fact Heller mined the other JUCO for a lot of talent.
JR Mulfur came from Tacoma CC
RSSO Voelker from San Jauquan Delta College out of California
SO Whitlock from Hutchison CC out of Kentucky
JR Young from Parkland college
RSJR Llewellyn from Kirkwood CC
RSJR Chistopherson from MSU
RSJR Huckstorf from Iowa Western CC
RSJR Moseley from Kirkwood CC
JR Gottila from State College of Florida
RSSR Simpson from Iowa Western CC
RSJR Strack from Winona State
RSJR DeTeye from Iowa Central CC
RSJR Hojnar out of Heartland CC
RSSO Tello of Pasadena City College
RSJR Tallman out of NIACC
JR Moss out of Kirkwood CC

Heller had a very nice group of transfers, I expect he will mine the CC Ranks for more players and take any more transfers to fill out his roster.
 
karnack1955 said:
thx on the correction, but as with Luke as a JR will have a choice of declaring for the draft or return for his SR season,
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Unlike some other sports, baseball players don’t declare for the draft. They are either eligible to be drafted or not eligible to be drafted.
 
no they have to enter. just like they do coming out of HS. the biggest difference the BB Players don't like where they get drafted can back out and either go to college out of HS or has college players can return to college,

this is something I wish would do
 
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karnack1955 said:
no they have to enter. just like they do coming out of HS. the biggest difference the BB Players don't like where they get drafted can back out and either go to college out of HS or has college players can return to college,

this is something I wish would do
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How does a player “enter” the MLB draft?

Some years ago, Josh Bell’s parents sent a letter to all MLB teams informing them that their son was going to college (University of Texas?) and to not draft him. Pirates selected him in supplemental phase of Round 1 and signed him with a large signing bonus. He didn’t “declare” for the draft or even “enter” the draft.

High school graduates and college players who are either 21 years old before the draft or have completed Junior year can be drafted. No “declaring.” No “entering.” Hell, if some team wanted to draft a 55 year old former catcher who was invited to walk on by Duane Banks but didn’t cut it, I’m happy to take that call. LOL
 
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karnack1955 said:
rules keep changing, what I am talking about who is returning for the 2024 season,

the 2 key pieces Brecht and Morgan as starters is a nice base to build around
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Just this by itself means next year is going to be fun. I think both wind up getting drafted after next season and you won't find many college teams with 2 starters like this.
 
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ssckelley said:
Just this by itself means next year is going to be fun. I think both wind up getting drafted after next season and you won't find many college teams with 2 starters like this.
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Dylan Nedved was a 7th round pick last year.
Duncan Davitt was an 18th round selection last year.

If those two were drafted, I suspect that Langenberg will be selected in this year's draft. That written, the projected B1G Pitcher of the Year has not had the type of year that he (we) hoped for. I suspect that he will play Summer ball in a wood bat league (back to Cape Cod?) and try to improve his draft stock in his Senior year at Iowa.

I simply don't know whether Langenberg has a COVID year (I don't have a grasp on how that works) which would allow him to pitch 2 more years after this one. If so, not only could he improve draft stock but he'd also maintain some negotiating power by having the threat to return to college.

If Langenberg comes back next year and Brecht/Morgan remain on the team, I'd think that the list of teams that have 3 starting pitchers that will be drafted at end of '24 would be awfully short.
 
Alum-Ni said:
Updated after 5/25 games
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Shout out in your direction. Not only have you been "clock work" on this thread again this year but you updated the thread after what had to be a punch-to-the-gut ending late last night.

Nebraska baseball seems to be a tad "snake bit" this year.
 
AuroraHawk said:
Dylan Nedved was a 7th round pick last year.
Duncan Davitt was an 18th round selection last year.

If those two were drafted, I suspect that Langenberg will be selected in this year's draft. That written, the projected B1G Pitcher of the Year has not had the type of year that he (we) hoped for. I suspect that he will play Summer ball in a wood bat league (back to Cape Cod?) and try to improve his draft stock in his Senior year at Iowa.

I simply don't know whether Langenberg has a COVID year (I don't have a grasp on how that works) which would allow him to pitch 2 more years after this one. If so, not only could he improve draft stock but he'd also maintain some negotiating power by having the threat to return to college.

If Langenberg comes back next year and Brecht/Morgan remain on the team, I'd think that the list of teams that have 3 starting pitchers that will be drafted at end of '24 would be awfully short.
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Let me clarify that I think both could get drafted very high next season, not just drafted. Both could put themselves into positions to get drafted as early as the 1st round.
 
Who does Iowa prefer win today, IU or Mich? We know Sinnard won't be able to throw for IU. I still think I would rather face Mich. Just win!
 
karnack1955 said:
at this point in the BTT it does not matter who Iowa faces.
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Iowa should be rooting for the team that it considers to pose the least "threat" to winning the 9:00 a.m. game tomorrow and using the fewest pitchers possible. A stress-free victory that is over by noon tomorrow would be phenomenal.

The easiest path to Sunday is the best thing that Iowa (and its fans) can root for.

Personally, I think that it is Michigan. Their hitting lineup is not as good as IU's. They will have few fresh arms left in their bullpen.

If you think that IU poses a greater risk to forcing an afternoon game tomorrow, you should be rooting for Michigan. If you think that IU's hitting lineup poses a greater risk to Heller/McGrath going deeper into Iowa's pitching corps, you should be rooting for Michigan.

EDIT: And we should all be rooting for two really long games tomorrow between Maryland and whatever team advances to play them.
 
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AuroraHawk said:
Shout out in your direction. Not only have you been "clock work" on this thread again this year but you updated the thread after what had to be a punch-to-the-gut ending late last night.

Nebraska baseball seems to be a tad "snake bit" this year.
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Nebraska has two legit All-Americans in the infield. They just don't have the pitching to have any decent success.
 
AuroraHawk said:
9 a.m. Central time.
10 a.m. Eastern time.
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I should have thought about them listing the Eastern time zone with the game in Omaha, but it makes sense because if Iowa loses the two teams will play that night.


this is one thing I don't like about the BTT. it is set up as a dbl elimination but Sunday is a 1 game winner take all.
 
karnack1955 said:
I should have thought about them listing the Eastern time zone with the game in Omaha, but it makes sense because if Iowa loses the two teams will play that night.


this is one thing I don't like about the BTT. it is set up as a dbl elimination but Sunday is a 1 game winner take all.
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Totally agree
 
karnack1955 said:
I should have thought about them listing the Eastern time zone with the game in Omaha, but it makes sense because if Iowa loses the two teams will play that night.


this is one thing I don't like about the BTT. it is set up pas a dbl elimination but Sunday is a 1 game winner take all.
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I think that's why they made the switch to keep the losers in the same bracket they were in. It makes more logical sense for the championship game to be "Winner of each bracket regardless" than what it was before. The other way felt more like an integrated tournament, but this makes more sense to me.
 
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no chatter about todays game after the 7th Ia up 5-0 Ty 7 innings of shutout ball unless they have a complete meltdown Iowa will go into Sunday 3-0. and will avoid having to play a 2nd game today.

6 outs to go.
 
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karnack1955 said:
Omaha is right across the river so I expect a lot of Iowa fans to attend. when Iowa played Michigan a few years ago there were 10,000 Iowa fans there. with Nebraska being eliminated Iowa fans won't be fighting Nebraska fans for tickets.
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Having grown up in CB and going to the CWS every year back in the day, it has been Ol' Doodle's lifelong dream to see the Hawks play in it at least once before taking the eternal dirt nap (Doodle was alive but too young to remember the 1972 squad). Actually Doodle's first formal paying job many moons ago was with the Omaha Royals at Rosenblatt.

Maybe this is finally the year! But regardless, tomorrow will be fun for the team in front of a raucous black and gold "home" crowd.
 
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Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo said:
Having grown up in CB and going to the CWS every year back in the day, it has been Ol' Doodle's lifelong dream to see the Hawks play in it at least once before taking the eternal dirt nap (Doodle was alive but too young to remember the 1972 squad). Actually Doodle's first formal paying job many moons ago was with the Omaha Royals at Rosenblatt.

Maybe this is finally the year! But regardless, tomorrow will be fun for the team in front of a raucous black and gold "home" crowd.
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where was Ol Doodle a while ago when Iowa went to the BT Championship Game that they lost to OSU. which cost them a trip to a reginal trip.
 
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