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King does a great job at making adjustments to the ball in the air. He is better at that then not only most DB's but also most WR's in college. This is also why a lot of scouts don't think to highly of him. In the NFL most WR's are very good at making adjustments to the ball. In college he is a very good CB in the NFL he might be a very good nickleback right now. They also don't like his top end speed in the NFL. I think he needs to come back one more year and work on closing his seperation in coverage and see if he also can't get a little more field speed. Although he has high INT numbers due to his superior on ball skills he does get thrown at still a lot and for a reason. He is still a great college CB though.
 
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King is great when the ball is in the air, but JFC, he's far from a lockdown corner. His most valuable contribution to the team is probably on special teams. If they put him on Burbridge all game I imagine he'll get lit up fairly regularly.
 
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King does a great job at making adjustments to the ball in the air. He is better at that then not only most DB's but also most WR's in college. This is also why a lot of scouts don't think to highly of him. In the NFL most WR's are very good at making adjustments to the ball. In college he is a very good CB in the NFL he might be a very good nickleback right now. They also don't like his top end speed in the NFL. I think he needs to come back one more year and work on closing his seperation in coverage and see if he also can't get a little more field speed. Although he has high INT numbers due to his superior on ball skills he does get thrown at still a lot and for a reason. He is still a great college CB though.
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Outstanding analysis.

Would not be surprised to see King moved to safety at the next level, joining a long line of former Hawk corners.
 
If Ohio State and Wisconsin were in the title game every year, as it should be...there would be little commentary.

MSU and Iowa have stirred things up.
 
Head Hawk said:
King is great when the ball is in the air, but JFC, he's far from a lockdown corner. His most valuable contribution to the team is probably on special teams. If they put him on Burbridge all game I imagine he'll get lit up fairly regularly.
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He's not asked to be a lock-down corner, so there is no way to know if this is true or not.
 
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When we played Iowa last year, Rudock turned the ball over.
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I'm was curious as to which coach had this analysis. At first blush, it's kind of a "that makes sense" sort of statement. But reviewing the box scores nothing really stands out to substantiate that claim based on the turnovers reasoning.

Rudock 2014 vs Beathard 2015 in common games:
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By process of elimination only real candidates are Minnesota and Maryland. Claeys was on staff at Minnesota in 2014, so it could have been him or it could have been Randy Edsall at Maryland.

It's not like Rudock had a terrible game against Maryland.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 32/56 317 5.7 2 1 42.3
I don't think he had any fumbles in the game (team stats page says 2 though I can only find Duzey's fumble in the play by play)

Minnesota it is easier to see where this statement rings true:
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 10/19 89 4.7 0 1 37.6
C.J. Beathard 3/7 32 4.6 1 0 20.6
TEAM 13/26 121 4.7 1 1 --

Rudock did have a fumble in this game.

So this detective posits that it is Tracy Claeys that has the low opinion of Desmond King.

Tracy Claeys said:
When we played Iowa last year, Rudock turned the ball over. The difference between this year and last year is the quarterback play. You can beat Iowa, if Connor Cook is on, they will beat Iowa because you can throw the ball over the top on Iowa. If you have an accurate passer and an ability to throw the ball you have a chance because they don’t have great skill at safety. The one corner, (Desmond) King, is good, but he isn’t great. He got a lot of interceptions. They don’t have anyone who puts any fear in you in the secondary as a cover guy. They play cloud coverage in the boundary and quarters to the field. But it’s not like they are challenging you in man-to-man. So, if you have an accurate guy who can throw the ball, mid-range, down the field throws, I think you can get them.
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EDIT: Just realized that Paul Chryst was at Pitt last year, so he could have potentially been talking about that result. I initially thought each paragraph/block could potentially be coming from a different coach, but maybe all of these Iowa comments come from a single coach? That would actually align with the "beating you 10-6" comment.
 
OC_Hawk said:
So this detective posits that it is Tracy Claeys that has the low opinion of Desmond King.
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After seeing our pass "defense" perform in that game, who the hell can blame him?

I haven't seen an Iowa defense worked that bad at every level since Bill O'Brien made it look like the varsity versus the JV in that night game back in 2012.
 
2xer said:
This is clearly from the Wisconsin coach.
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Chryst is just bitter that other B1G West teams now are catching back up to Wisconsin now that he is coach. Nobody was better at running the ball in the B1G then Wisconsin and that played beautifully with their physical B1G defense. Now that they are shifting to a more balanced attack Iowa, Nebraska and Northwestern will be right there with them in every game. They just arent getting the RB recruits either they once always seemed to get every year.
 
Head Hawk said:
King is great when the ball is in the air, but JFC, he's far from a lockdown corner. His most valuable contribution to the team is probably on special teams. If they put him on Burbridge all game I imagine he'll get lit up fairly regularly.
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I'll take that bet.
 
OC_Hawk said:
2015 vs 2014 opponents:
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I'm was curious as to which coach had this analysis. At first blush, it's kind of a "that makes sense" sort of statement. But reviewing the box scores nothing really stands out to substantiate that claim based on the turnovers reasoning.

Rudock 2014 vs Beathard 2015 in common games:
NgsXrGk.png


By process of elimination only real candidates are Minnesota and Maryland. Claeys was on staff at Minnesota in 2014, so it could have been him or it could have been Randy Edsall at Maryland.

It's not like Rudock had a terrible game against Maryland.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 32/56 317 5.7 2 1 42.3
I don't think he had any fumbles in the game (team stats page says 2 though I can only find Duzey's fumble in the play by play)

Minnesota it is easier to see where this statement rings true:
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 10/19 89 4.7 0 1 37.6
C.J. Beathard 3/7 32 4.6 1 0 20.6
TEAM 13/26 121 4.7 1 1 --

Rudock did have a fumble in this game.

So this detective posits that it is Tracy Claeys that has the low opinion of Desmond King.



EDIT: Just realized that Paul Chryst was at Pitt last year, so he could have potentially been talking about that result. I initially thought each paragraph/block could potentially be coming from a different coach, but maybe all of these Iowa comments come from a single coach? That would actually align with the "beating you 10-6" comment.
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Rudock threw a pick six against MD last year.
 
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That article is dead on. Nothing wrong with it. That is who Iowa is. King included. IF you played Iowa you would also think your team was just a couple plays away from winning as well. KF has hung his hat on being in and winning tight games late.
It's a game plan we as fans hate at the end of most games but opposing teams and fans also get the perception that Iowa is not as good as they really are.
 
The comments are petty accurate regarding Iowa. Our success has to be infuriating to other teams, because we don't have superior talent and we don't really out scheme people. We have just executed fundamental football better than other teams, and that is an indictment of their coaching. It's one thing to lose to OSU because they have better players, another to lose to Iowa because they are better coached.

The one comment I agree with is the need for Iowa to pass the ball. MSU is going to attack us in that air with intermediate and deep routes. We can't just sit there running into a brick wall for 2 quarters if MSU is going to get chunk plays on defense. I think this is a game where we need to run a fair amount of draws, screens, and look to take some shots deep.
 
Mohawkeye said:
If I were King I would take exception to those comments. Agree with most of what they said about Michigan State.
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The only thing I would question is their comment about MSU's offensive line. I don't know when they played them, but the O line is all back and healthy right now. Not since the Oregon game has that been true until Penn State.

I think the keys for both teams is accurate. MSU has to make Iowa make plays on 3rd down. MSU has to not let them grind out 3-4-5 yd gains on 1st and 2nd down. My bet is Iowa will do more passing early and keep MSU from stuffing the run early. I think the 1st 2-3 series will be critical. Will Iowa's front 5 be able to handle MSU's front 4?

When MSU has the ball, I agree that Cook can pick anybody's pass defense apart if he has any time. Can MSU's O line keep Iowa's D line at bay? If they can MSU's receivers have to catch the ball. Shelton, Maderis and Kings can catch the football. Cook loves to throw to Burbridge because if it's close, Aaron frequently makes the catch. But the other guys are not slouches. Also the MSU TE's have been quiet lately.

I am concerned that Iowa's O and D lines will be as tough as any we've faced all year and we won't be able to run much. It's going to be Cook, Cook, Cook.....I don't like having a one dimensional offense...but if I have to rely on the pass having Cook is better than most. We gotta run though. It will be the biggest test. Can we run?

For you guys....can you run the ball and then expose our D backs. Our D has played the best it has all year these last 2 games....they'll have to keep it up. But if you're looking at 3rd and shorts all nith...or worse...making 1st downs on 1st and 2nd down plays....it will be a looooong night for my Spartans.

I don't expect either team to turn it over. Interesting how both teams are national leaders in takeaway margin.

I expect a fair amount of points and a close game decided with the last possession. Both teams, IMHO will get to at least 30 points. I want to win...but honestly....can't predict it. I hate being disappointed so I'll just say I hope it's a tough, tough game and the better team wins. Can't believe either team will blow the other out unless there are some seriously bad turnovers.
 
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Can't take the coaches comments too seriously. Comment on MSU is that they don't have as good of an offensive line as in years past. "Imposter Alert".....so why did the coaches name 2 linemen on the 1st team, one on the 2nd team, and one on the 3rd team All Big Ten Unit. That 5th linemen must feel like dog crap, not making it on the All Big Ten list. Iowa had 2 players make it.

Said MSU had only one wide receiver, yet MSU had another WR make honorable mention All Big Ten. Must have been comparing them to how they performed the day they played them.
 
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Head Hawk said:
Then you're an idiot. Go back and re-watch Jourdan Lewis versus Burbridge, and Lewis is a hell of a lot better in coverage than King is.
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Not really. In the country Lewis is 2nd at passes defended 1.8. King is 9th at 1.6 not too much differential there both are first team all big ten defensive backs.

King is first in Int's with 8. Lewis didn't make the list.

I'll take King any day. Go Hawks!

 
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OC_Hawk said:
2015 vs 2014 opponents:
ZMraApY.png


I'm was curious as to which coach had this analysis. At first blush, it's kind of a "that makes sense" sort of statement. But reviewing the box scores nothing really stands out to substantiate that claim based on the turnovers reasoning.

Rudock 2014 vs Beathard 2015 in common games:
NgsXrGk.png


By process of elimination only real candidates are Minnesota and Maryland. Claeys was on staff at Minnesota in 2014, so it could have been him or it could have been Randy Edsall at Maryland.

It's not like Rudock had a terrible game against Maryland.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 32/56 317 5.7 2 1 42.3
I don't think he had any fumbles in the game (team stats page says 2 though I can only find Duzey's fumble in the play by play)

Minnesota it is easier to see where this statement rings true:
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 10/19 89 4.7 0 1 37.6
C.J. Beathard 3/7 32 4.6 1 0 20.6
TEAM 13/26 121 4.7 1 1 --

Rudock did have a fumble in this game.

So this detective posits that it is Tracy Claeys that has the low opinion of Desmond King.



EDIT: Just realized that Paul Chryst was at Pitt last year, so he could have potentially been talking about that result. I initially thought each paragraph/block could potentially be coming from a different coach, but maybe all of these Iowa comments come from a single coach? That would actually align with the "beating you 10-6" comment.
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I think you're right about it being Claeys. King had 2 picks vs Pitt and a game clinching pick 6 vs Maryland. So it's hard to imagine those coaches not having positive things to say about King. Although Chryst did have a lot of positive things to say about CJ after the game this year, so that would add up with his comments about CJ vs Rudock. But I'm leaning toward Claeys as well
 
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OC_Hawk said:
2015 vs 2014 opponents:
ZMraApY.png


I'm was curious as to which coach had this analysis. At first blush, it's kind of a "that makes sense" sort of statement. But reviewing the box scores nothing really stands out to substantiate that claim based on the turnovers reasoning.

Rudock 2014 vs Beathard 2015 in common games:
NgsXrGk.png


By process of elimination only real candidates are Minnesota and Maryland. Claeys was on staff at Minnesota in 2014, so it could have been him or it could have been Randy Edsall at Maryland.

It's not like Rudock had a terrible game against Maryland.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 32/56 317 5.7 2 1 42.3
I don't think he had any fumbles in the game (team stats page says 2 though I can only find Duzey's fumble in the play by play)

Minnesota it is easier to see where this statement rings true:
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 10/19 89 4.7 0 1 37.6
C.J. Beathard 3/7 32 4.6 1 0 20.6
TEAM 13/26 121 4.7 1 1 --

Rudock did have a fumble in this game.

So this detective posits that it is Tracy Claeys that has the low opinion of Desmond King.



EDIT: Just realized that Paul Chryst was at Pitt last year, so he could have potentially been talking about that result. I initially thought each paragraph/block could potentially be coming from a different coach, but maybe all of these Iowa comments come from a single coach? That would actually align with the "beating you 10-6" comment.
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Rudock had a bad game against Maryland.
 
Head Hawk said:
After seeing our pass "defense" perform in that game, who the hell can blame him?

I haven't seen an Iowa defense worked that bad at every level since Bill O'Brien made it look like the varsity versus the JV in that night game back in 2012.
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Well then that means you missed the Minnesota game last year. Consider yourself lucky.
 
Maybe a follow up question for some of these coaches and their critical analysis about our players and their ability: So then coach, why didn't you beat them?
 
David1979 said:
http://btn.com/2015/12/02/big-ten-football-coaches-analyze-michigan-state-vs-iowa/

Some interesting stuff. Also interesting how one coach says King is good but not great and he won the defensive back award for the Big 10. Strange comment. And I find it funny one coach said Iowa will beat you 13-12 like they can't score any points when they are averaging 33 a game.
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That was interesting, thanks for posting. You have to remember that these guys did nothing but try to scheme against the weaknesses of MSU and Iowa when they played them, so they're going to point out the weaknesses they focused on. I do remember playing someone this year (Maryland?) who had a lot of open men downfield but missed them on deep balls. Wonder if that's who said that.

BTN surely would have focused on the teams we both played, right? (Indiana, MD, Purdue, Illinois?)
 
Feel like the Iowa analysis could have been Indiana's coach? Not a first year coach I don't think.
 
Head Hawk said:
Outstanding analysis.

Would not be surprised to see King moved to safety at the next level, joining a long line of former Hawk corners.
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Looks like he's been dinged up to me--hitch in his get-along...think he will be fine nfl corner but so dang good in run support make a great Safety...
 
I think a lot of people have unreal expectations for a CB and believe that they should never allow a pass to be completed, even if the CB is "lock down", which is a term that means different things to different people. Has King gotten beat? Sure, but so does EVERY CB from time to time. He is almost always in position and almost plays two positions at Iowa. He covers his man and he also looks out for the safeties in deep coverage. He is also one of the best run covering CBs you will ever see. He will have a nice long career in the pros at either CB or safety, wherever his team needs him. He is not too slow to play CB, plenty of CBs play in the pros who run a 4.5/4.6 forty. For an opposing coach to call him just a good but no great cover, after a record year of 8 interceptions and numerous big plays, strikes me as a little bitter. Kind of like saying Jerry Rice wasn't fast.
 
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King was named the Big Tens best DB and was just got the award for the nation's top DB and names 1 of 3 finalists for the Jim Thorpe award and 1 of 5 finalists for the Walter Camp award along with Mayfield, Henry, Watson, and McCaffrey. I would say he is pretty good.
 
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Mohawkeye said:
I think a lot of people have unreal expectations for a CB and believe that they should never allow a pass to be completed, even if the CB is "lock down", which is a term that means different things to different people. Has King gotten beat? Sure, but so does EVERY CB from time to time. He is almost always in position and almost plays two positions at Iowa. He covers his man and he also looks out for the safeties in deep coverage. He is also one of the best run covering CBs you will ever see. He will have a nice long career in the pros at either CB or safety, wherever his team needs him. He is not too slow to play CB, plenty of CBs play in the pros who run a 4.5/4.6 forty. For an opposing coach to call him just a good but no great cover, after a record year of 8 interceptions and numerous big plays, strikes me as a little bitter. Kind of like saying Jerry Rice wasn't fast.
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Agree. I know several people that I have watched games with flip out when a pass gets completed to King's side of the field like that should never happen no matter what. It is ridiculous.
 
I agree with the assessments. We are going to have to generate pressure on Cook, without a doubt, or we're gonna get torched. CJ is gonna have to air it out as well, to keep the D honest.
 
OC_Hawk said:
2015 vs 2014 opponents:
ZMraApY.png


I'm was curious as to which coach had this analysis. At first blush, it's kind of a "that makes sense" sort of statement. But reviewing the box scores nothing really stands out to substantiate that claim based on the turnovers reasoning.

Rudock 2014 vs Beathard 2015 in common games:
NgsXrGk.png


By process of elimination only real candidates are Minnesota and Maryland. Claeys was on staff at Minnesota in 2014, so it could have been him or it could have been Randy Edsall at Maryland.

It's not like Rudock had a terrible game against Maryland.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 32/56 317 5.7 2 1 42.3
I don't think he had any fumbles in the game (team stats page says 2 though I can only find Duzey's fumble in the play by play)

Minnesota it is easier to see where this statement rings true:
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Jake Rudock 10/19 89 4.7 0 1 37.6
C.J. Beathard 3/7 32 4.6 1 0 20.6
TEAM 13/26 121 4.7 1 1 --

Rudock did have a fumble in this game.

So this detective posits that it is Tracy Claeys that has the low opinion of Desmond King.



EDIT: Just realized that Paul Chryst was at Pitt last year, so he could have potentially been talking about that result. I initially thought each paragraph/block could potentially be coming from a different coach, but maybe all of these Iowa comments come from a single coach? That would actually align with the "beating you 10-6" comment.
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It would be funny if it were Paul Chryst.......considering he can't beat Iowa (whether at Pitt or Wisky).......Also, he was Wisky's OC under Bielema for a long time. So, he has had significant experience playing Iowa.......
 
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