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Bigfoot - real or not?

RollingBallofButcherKnives said:
How many of those previously unknown human tribes have been found in the Pacific Northwest? For all these thousands of bigfoot “sightings”, not one single clearly definitive photo? For them to be so shy and trying to not be found why are they being “sighted” so much? People will do stupid things for attention….
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Hypothetical Situation: Let's say someone actually does get a very clear, very definitive photo of Bigfoot. A real Bigfoot. The VAST majority of people in the world will chalk it up to being faked, photoshopped, or a person in a costume. Even if it is in fact, a real Bigfoot.

A photo won't cut it for anyone. They'll need DNA evidence, or a skeleton. That's it.
 
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McLovin32 said:
Hypothetical Situation: Let's say someone actually does get a very clear, very definitive photo of Bigfoot. A real Bigfoot. The VAST majority of people in the world will chalk it up to being faked, photoshopped, or a person in a costume. Even if it is in fact, a real Bigfoot.

A photo won't cut it for anyone. They'll need DNA evidence, or a skeleton. That's it.
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True. But it would be a start-instead of a shaky blurry two mile away photo or video. Heck some people on here think that Patterson video might be genuine…
 
Nole Lou said:
I hold just a very slight possibility of existence. The most compelling argument against for me is the statistics on how big a breeding population would need to be to survive, which would be way too large to avoid detection.

Other than that, I'm a lot less convinced by the "we haven't found one yet" aspect than most people. I think people really highly underestimate the vastness and remoteness of wilderness, and nature's efficiency to eliminate its dead. I could believe a population of say 30-50 could go undetected in parts of North America. The problem is that a population of that size would likely not have the genetic diversity to survive.

The Patterson film is pretty interesting to me. Unlike most conspiracies or mysterious phenomenon, I've probably become MORE open to the possibility that it is real over time. I actually think it is pretty damn compelling, and the various stories supposedly attesting to it being a hoax are contradictory to the point of being really questionable.

The most compelling aspect is that there isn't a professionally released studio film from that era featuring a "man in an ape suit" that looks remotely as realistic as the Patterson film. We were still a year away from 2001 A Space Odyssey. There is not monkey suit you could just get from a costume shop that would look like that. The ability to fake something that looks better than commercial studio pictures at the time seems dubious to me.

It may well be fake, and a consequence of one particularly effective sequence in a low resolution camera, but its not clearly just a "man in a (1967) ape suit" to me.
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Plenty of gorilla suits back then from movies that are actually clear and not shaky, blurry and washed out…
 
I didn’t read the thread, just came to say I worked with a dude probably 10 years or so ago. He was in his 40’s at the time. Dude absolutely believed without a doubt that bigfoot is real, and that the species was actively inhabiting forests in the upper Midwest and Canada. I fvcking shit you not, he was completely and utterly certain of that. Some people are so fvcking dumb, it truly bottles the mind.








I did that on purpose so check the WOB at the doors bitches 😎
 
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Tenacious E said:
Thousands of people, yet no evidence. Again, while there are certainly liars and purveyors of hoaxes, I blieve that the vast majority of people did see something. I just do not accept that what they saw are giant hominids in sufficient numbers for there to be an actual species, walking around, eating, and dying, without there ever having been discovered a corpse, or one captured clearly by a camera. I mean, there are 1.5 to 2.1 million vehicle/deer collisions per YEAR. So since y2k, 40 to 50 million deer struck by vehicles. And if you want to discuss superfast super agile reclusive beasts, mountain lions are hit by cars to the tune of 70 per year. But not a single big foot? No way.
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No evidence? None? No prints? No hair? Interesting.
 
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I used to be "into" big foot stuff as a kid. I used to go to this website -- it has the best collection of stories on the net -- and read everything I could find.

Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization

www.bfro.net

But I never really believed it to be a real thing.

Tails of a bigfoot type creature have existed across many populations over many years. All around the world.

We have nothing approaching good evidence. No good fossil records, nothing evolutionarily speaking that would indicate the creature might have come to exist.

And that's because it doesn't.
 
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soybean said:
I don't know what it was that day, but I know that is was not a dude in a ape suit ot a bear. I have come to regret sharing what I saw that day with this board. But I have come to understand how the fear of ridicule prevents people who have seen something strange to say something. I don't know one way or another if bigfoot exists, but if they do, I saw a juvenile one.

I would also like to say that I totally understand the skeptics, and I guess I'm one too. But what I've come to despise are those who try to tell me what I must have seen instead. I saw what I saw.
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I believe you bean, and thank you for sharing your experience.
 
Tenacious E said:
Fair enough. I like you Lou, so I hope I'm not coming off as a dick in this thread. I am just a huge skeptic of everything really, and something in my eyes does not exist without proof. Hazard of my profession, I guess.
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Yeah, I'm more than a skeptic, as I've said multiple times I don't think they exist.

However, I just have some slight interest when it gets brought up, because I don't find it AS implausible as many thing, including things people believe in.

I mean, people believe in ghosts and alien visitors in far greater numbers, and those are things that actively violate our known understanding of physics, matter and the laws of the universe. Those things literally can't exist as our science currently understands the world. By contrast, bigfoot is at least a scientific possibility.

Obviously, our science can be wrong at any point in time, but I guess I find it surprising how many people lean toward believing in ghosts and little green men no problem, but the idea of bigfoot is absurd because they haven't seen one yet.
 
Tenacious E said:
I didn’t say all fakes. I said in other posts I believe most of those people saw something, just not what they think they saw. But sure, still lots of fakes too.
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That's what I'm saying...that of the thousands of sightings at least ONE saw precisely what they think they saw. You're basically saying that EVERY SINGLE SIGHTING was someone playing a joke or the peoples' eyes were tricked. It was a bear walking around on two legs. Or a tree started walking. Or whatever else could be on in the forests. Sorry, I believe that some of these people know exactly what they saw.
 
Tom Paris said:
That's what I'm saying...that of the thousands of sightings at least ONE saw precisely what they think they saw. You're basically saying that EVERY SINGLE SIGHTING was someone playing a joke or the peoples' eyes were tricked. It was a bear walking around on two legs. Or a tree started walking. Or whatever else could be on in the forests. Sorry, I believe that some of these people know exactly what they saw.
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How do you feel about Nessie?
 
Tenacious E said:
How do you feel about Nessie?
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Doesn't exist. Proven hoaxes plus the use of sonar and other equipment scouring Loch Ness finds nothing at all. I can't even remember the last time it was reported someone saw anything. Bigfoot? Often.
 
I've been to Loch Ness and never expected to see Nessie. The day I saw whatever creature it was that I saw was up near Mt. Auburn. I was sitting on a gravel road looking at a plat map trying to figure out where a unfamilar stretch of pasture ground was for rent to graze a group of 4-5 weight Holstein steers I was in a partnership on. I looked up from the map and there it was coming out of the ditch. It was nothing I had ever seen before, and I've seen just about every damn animal that lives and breathes in Iowa.

I've returned that that very spot several times over the year and have seen it again. I often ask myself if I ever did see it again would I kill it just so I could prove I saw it? I honestly don't know.
 
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soybean said:
I've been to Loch Ness and never expected to see Nessie. The day I saw whatever creature it was that I saw was up near Mt. Auburn. I was sitting on a gravel road looking at a plat map trying to figure out where a unfamilar stretch of pasture ground was for rent to graze a group of 4-5 weight Holstein steers I was in a partnership on. I looked up from the map and there it was coming out of the ditch. It was nothing I had ever seen before, and I've seen just about every damn animal that lives and breathes in Iowa.

I've returned that that very spot several times over the year and have seen it again. I often ask myself if I ever did see it again would I kill it just so I could prove I saw it? I honestly don't know.
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no offense, but maybe it was a black man
 
I think the existence of bigfoot is plausible, but unlikely. I still think the Patterson/Gimlin footage is the best evidence available and that evidence is over half a century old now and arguments exist on both sides as to its authenticity.

I used to have the same position on UFOs prior to the recent worldwide disclosure, but I was fairly certain UFOs were closer to probably existing than not. That turned out to be the case after all. Maybe one day we will get better evidence of an undiscovered hominid's existence, but the chances of that is much lower when compared to UFOs.
 
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Obviously Oblivious said:
I think the existence of bigfoot is plausible, but unlikely. I still think the Patterson/Gimlin footage is the best evidence available and that evidence is over half a century old now and arguments exist on both sides as to its authenticity.

I used to have the same position on UFOs prior to the recent worldwide disclosure, but I was fairly certain UFOs were closer to probably existing than not. That turned out to be the case after all. Maybe one day we will get better evidence of an undiscovered hominid's existence, but the chances of that is much lower when compared to UFOs.
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Just to be clear, there have always been unidentified flying objects, which is not synonymous with us being visited by aliens.
 
Tenacious E said:
Just to be clear, there have always been unidentified flying objects, which is not synonymous with us being visited by aliens.
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I'm aware of that, and I'm not asserting that either. However, having multiple countries and their respective militaries admitting that they actually exist, that they don't know what they are or their origin and that the objects are able to perform physical feats well beyond our known level of technology and understanding of physics is a bit unsettling to me.
 
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Formerly Rockymtnole said:
I just saw this stabilized footage for the first time. Not sure if it leads me one way or the other.

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Bump.

Pay attention to the feet in this clip - at the end of each stride the foot ends up perpendicular to the ground. The knee position also appears to be abnormally low.

Now watch the video in post #25 which claims to debunk the PG film. He does a decent job of impersonating the walk, however, his feet barely leave the ground and never come close to the position in the original PG film.

Next time you are out in public watch the gait of your fellow humans/sub-humans and pay attention to their feet. This past weekend at Costco I watched scores of people walk through the parking lot and inside the store and not a single one of them moved their feet like the being in the PG film. Just try to see the bottom of someone’s shoes as they walk past (you won’t).
 
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RollingBallofButcherKnives said:
Even smart phones have decent zoom features. Why didn’t Cecil B DeMille zoom in?
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To make an effective adventure/horror movie, any good cinematographer knows that ambiguity, and not "ACTUALLY" seeing the monster, is much more effective than gratuitous shots of it dismembering other members of the cast.

(PS, fifty bucks says this was some sort of "bigfoot viewing" train attraction)
 
Aardvark86 said:
To make an effective adventure/horror movie, any good cinematographer knows that ambiguity, and not "ACTUALLY" seeing the monster, is much more effective than gratuitous shots of it dismembering other members of the cast.

(PS, fifty bucks says this was some sort of "bigfoot viewing" train attraction)
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Exactly.
 
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