Bigfoot - real or not?

[BelemNole]

Didn’t you tell a story one time on Warchant about getting stuck or lost in a Toyota in the woods one night and saw something like Bigfoot?

No, that story was from a buddy of mine - this photographer https://www.flickr.com/photos/buckforester/

He didn't actually see anything, just had the shit scared out of him by something he couldn't see while sleeping near his truck. His story is here.

The other story took place up in the Shasta/Trinity area and involved a buddy of mine who worked ranching in the off-season.

 

[BelemNole]

All that white mist be the camera washed out then….still to me it doesn’t look barefoot. Looks to have some straight sole. Watch a human or ape walk barefoot…oh, and Belem, Bigfoot is fake news. A hoax.😉

The gray and white things are boulders. I think that bigfoot is probably not real, but nothing in this video makes me think it's fake.

 

[TJ8869]

 

[Aardvark86]

Quick question: Was your mother a psychopath?

more of a sociopath -- lots of passive aggressive stuff, as only a mother can imagine.

My brother, who was a bit of a ne'er do well, had a favorite t-shirt that said "Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!". Once he threw it in the laundry. After washing it so it so it was nice and clean, she burned a bunch of cigarette holes in it and sewed the arms holes shut. Then, she carefully folded it and put in my brother's shirt drawer.

 

[Thunderlips71]

Not probable, but not impossible. Just because I haven’t seen one doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I’ve heard and seen some inexplicable things on my many fishing trips to Canada.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

more of a sociopath -- lots of passive aggressive stuff, as only a mother can imagine.

My brother, who was a bit of a ne'er do well, had a favorite t-shirt that said "Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!". Once he threw it in the laundry. After washing it so it so it was nice and clean, she burned a bunch of cigarette holes in it and sewed the arms holes shut. Then, she carefully folded it and put in my brother's shirt drawer.

Awesome! Now how bout a pic of sociopathic momma?

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Not probable, but not impossible. Just because I haven’t seen one doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I’ve heard and seen some inexplicable things on my many fishing trips to Canada.

I wonder how hard that “Finding Bigfoot” show worked to actually come up with concrete evidence? I mean, you get cameras, infrared equipment and travel everywhere there are stories yet not one clear photo. They probably never left their back yard….

 

[Aardvark86]

Awesome! Now how bout a pic of sociopathic momma?

Never change, Cesspool. Never change.

 

[JustSayOV]

Since this thread has somewhat morphed into paranormal experiences, I'll offer this one:

(my wife's aunt, not crazy or anything, good person)

She got married later in life to her husband (like late 40's I think) and on their honeymoon, they rented a car and along their travels picked up a novelty keychain or whatever at one of the touristy places they stopped at and put it on the keys to the rental car. At the end of the honeymoon, they returned the car and went home to go about their life or whatever and they realized they had left that keychain on the car keys. So while it was just something cheap, it was a neat keepsake to them that they wished they had remembered and even called the rental car place back when they got home to see if they could send it to them and of course they said they couldn't find it or whatever and it was lost to the sands of time if you will.

Anyway, I guess it was always kind of brought up tongue and cheek for years about "which one of them forgot it" or whatever and then sadly some years later, her husband was diagnosed with cancer and it was one of those deals where he was diagnosed and then like 30 days later he was gone....so it was a pretty bad deal.

So then a few weeks after his death, their dog got up barking in the middle of the night (which was abnormal) and my wife's aunt just thought it was weird and went on about things, but then sometime in the next day or so she was in the office in their house and opened the top drawer of the desk and low and behold, there was the missing trinket key chain from their honeymoon on top of the papers (and this was a desk and drawer she used weekly if not daily from what I was told, so she would have opened that drawer many times since her husbands passing).

She actually didn't tell anyone for awhile because it felt just crazy and pretty personal, but I always thought that was a wild story.

That and then their dog (which I have heard similar stories before), upon going to the cemetery for the first time after his passing, ran unprompted to his grave and was waiting for my aunt when she caught up to him.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

If Bigfoot does exist and that's him, it's impressive how well he walks backwards.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Since this thread has somewhat morphed into paranormal experiences, I'll offer this one:

(my wife's aunt, not crazy or anything, good person)

She got married later in life to her husband (like late 40's I think) and on their honeymoon, they rented a car and along their travels picked up a novelty keychain or whatever at one of the touristy places they stopped at and put it on the keys to the rental car. At the end of the honeymoon, they returned the car and went home to go about their life or whatever and they realized they had left that keychain on the car keys. So while it was just something cheap, it was a neat keepsake to them that they wished they had remembered and even called the rental car place back when they got home to see if they could send it to them and of course they said they couldn't find it or whatever and it was lost to the sands of time if you will.

Anyway, I guess it was always kind of brought up tongue and cheek for years about "which one of them forgot it" or whatever and then sadly some years later, her husband was diagnosed with cancer and it was one of those deals where he was diagnosed and then like 30 days later he was gone....so it was a pretty bad deal.

So then a few weeks after his death, their dog got up barking in the middle of the night (which was abnormal) and my wife's aunt just thought it was weird and went on about things, but then sometime in the next day or so she was in the office in their house and opened the top drawer of the desk and low and behold, there was the missing trinket key chain from their honeymoon on top of the papers (and this was a desk and drawer she used weekly if not daily from what I was told, so she would have opened that drawer many times since her husbands passing).

She actually didn't tell anyone for awhile because it felt just crazy and pretty personal, but I always thought that was a wild story.

That and then their dog (which I have heard similar stories before), upon going to the cemetery for the first time after his passing, ran unprompted to his grave and was waiting for my aunt when she caught up to him.

Cool story. Kind of gave me chills..

 

[Nole Lou]

Since this thread has somewhat morphed into paranormal experiences, I'll offer this one:

(my wife's aunt, not crazy or anything, good person)

She got married later in life to her husband (like late 40's I think) and on their honeymoon, they rented a car and along their travels picked up a novelty keychain or whatever at one of the touristy places they stopped at and put it on the keys to the rental car. At the end of the honeymoon, they returned the car and went home to go about their life or whatever and they realized they had left that keychain on the car keys. So while it was just something cheap, it was a neat keepsake to them that they wished they had remembered and even called the rental car place back when they got home to see if they could send it to them and of course they said they couldn't find it or whatever and it was lost to the sands of time if you will.

Anyway, I guess it was always kind of brought up tongue and cheek for years about "which one of them forgot it" or whatever and then sadly some years later, her husband was diagnosed with cancer and it was one of those deals where he was diagnosed and then like 30 days later he was gone....so it was a pretty bad deal.

So then a few weeks after his death, their dog got up barking in the middle of the night (which was abnormal) and my wife's aunt just thought it was weird and went on about things, but then sometime in the next day or so she was in the office in their house and opened the top drawer of the desk and low and behold, there was the missing trinket key chain from their honeymoon on top of the papers (and this was a desk and drawer she used weekly if not daily from what I was told, so she would have opened that drawer many times since her husbands passing).

She actually didn't tell anyone for awhile because it felt just crazy and pretty personal, but I always thought that was a wild story.

That and then their dog (which I have heard similar stories before), upon going to the cemetery for the first time after his passing, ran unprompted to his grave and was waiting for my aunt when she caught up to him.

Pretty creepy that the rental car employee kept it all those years and then broke into her house while she was asleep. Terrifying to imagine.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Pretty creepy that the rental car employee kept it all those years and then broke into her house while she was asleep. Terrifying to imagine.

And then left the dog’s favorite treat by her husbands tombstone…

 

[Nole Lou]

The gray and white things are boulders. I think that bigfoot is probably not real, but nothing in this video makes me think it's fake.

Probably the one thing we agree on.

The footpad thing is actually a decent question point. While you can't definitively tell, there doesn't appear to be corresponding hand pads, and if that was the case, its apparently something that's not replicated anywhere else in the natural world, an animal that has pads on their feet but not hands.

 

[BelemNole]

Probably the one thing we agree on.

The footpad thing is actually a decent question point. While you can't definitively tell, there doesn't appear to be corresponding hand pads, and if that was the case, its apparently something that's not replicated anywhere else in the natural world, an animal that has pads on their feet but not hands.

I disagree about the feet. I've watched a lot of wildlife videos and this is exactly what grizzly bear feet look like when walking along a creek, etc where they pick up light colored dirt/dust.
Of all the blurry, crappy bigfoot videos this is still the one that's hardest to dismiss.

 

[Nole Lou]

Mike Leach said it best: "we've found all sorts of dinosaur bones and fossils, but we've not found any bigfoot bones. So I'd like to believe Bigfoot exists, I want to believe that, but I just think we'd have found some bone/fossil evidence if he did."

As for the lack of fossil record, I think it is compelling evidence against bigfoot's existence, but not definitive. I think there have been something like 3000 complete skeletons found, and something like 15,000 TOTAL dinosaur fossils of any kind have been found, and that's out of potentially 10s of billions of dinosaurs that have walked the earth, and a worldwide obsession with hunting dinosaur bones for two centuries.

The conditions to which a fossil is preserved is actually vanishingly small. And new dinosaurs are still being discovered annually at a generous clip, and so not having found it yet doesn't mean that it never existed. To be fairly confident that we'd have fossil evidence of bigfoot you'd have to imagine a world where there were hundreds of thousands of bigfeet roaming the countryside, and that if they exist, they are a small remnant of that. That's how we think animals from the past (with good reason), but perhaps there were never tons and tons of them?

That's how I feel about most of the evidence that "proves" bigfoot doesn't exist. Little of it is definitive on its own, but taken together ALL the factors, the rational conclusion is it's overwhelmingly likely it doesn't exist.

 

[BelemNole]

As for the lack of fossil record, I think it is compelling evidence against bigfoot's existence, but not definitive. I think there have been something like 3000 complete skeletons found, and something like 15,000 TOTAL dinosaur fossils of any kind have been found, and that's out of potentially 10s of billions of dinosaurs that have walked the earth, and a worldwide obsession with hunting dinosaur bones for two centuries.

The conditions to which a fossil is preserved is actually vanishingly small. And new dinosaurs are still being discovered annually at a generous clip, and so not having found it yet doesn't mean that it never existed. To be fairly confident that we'd have fossil evidence of bigfoot you'd have to imagine a world where there were hundreds of thousands of bigfeet roaming the countryside, and that if they exist, they are a small remnant of that. That's how we think animals from the past (with good reason), but perhaps there were never tons and tons of them?

That's how I feel about most of the evidence that "proves" bigfoot doesn't exist. Little of it is definitive on its own, but taken together ALL the factors, the rational conclusion is it's overwhelmingly likely it doesn't exist.

Correct. And they're supposed to favor the pacific west and other mountainous/forested areas where decomposition happens fast.
Hell, there is still talk about the hobbit like hominids being extant - https://www.iflscience.com/anthropo...-may-have-been-sighted-on-flores-island-67668

 

[Tenacious E]

As for the lack of fossil record, I think it is compelling evidence against bigfoot's existence, but not definitive. I think there have been something like 3000 complete skeletons found, and something like 15,000 TOTAL dinosaur fossils of any kind have been found, and that's out of potentially 10s of billions of dinosaurs that have walked the earth, and a worldwide obsession with hunting dinosaur bones for two centuries.

The conditions to which a fossil is preserved is actually vanishingly small. And new dinosaurs are still being discovered annually at a generous clip, and so not having found it yet doesn't mean that it never existed. To be fairly confident that we'd have fossil evidence of bigfoot you'd have to imagine a world where there were hundreds of thousands of bigfeet roaming the countryside, and that if they exist, they are a small remnant of that. That's how we think animals from the past (with good reason), but perhaps there were never tons and tons of them?

That's how I feel about most of the evidence that "proves" bigfoot doesn't exist. Little of it is definitive on its own, but taken together ALL the factors, the rational conclusion is it's overwhelmingly likely it doesn't exist.

To each their own, but if common sense tells you mythical beasts do not exist, and no physical evidence of big feet exists other than a fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, it seems like a massive waste of time and energy for people to be fixated on this. Other than the fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, there is no more evidence that they exist than that which we have for leprechauns or unicorns. Count me as interested when there is a 4k trail cam picking one up, or we find one smoked by a semi blazing through Idaho or Montana.

 

[Derekd3408]

I was on a school field trip in middle school and a sasquatch stole 30 of our sack lunches.

 

[BelemNole]

To each their own, but if common sense tells you mythical beasts do not exist, and no physical evidence of big feet exists other than a fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, it seems like a massive waste of time and energy for people to be fixated on this. Other than the fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, there is no more evidence that they exist than that which we have for leprechauns or unicorns. Count me as interested when there is a 4k trail cam picking one up, or we find one smoked by a semi blazing through Idaho or Montana.

https://www.isu.edu/media/libraries/rhi/research-papers/ANALYSIS-INTEGRITY-OF-THE-PATTERSON-GIMLIN-FILM-IMAGE_final.pdf

 

[Nole Lou]

https://www.isu.edu/media/libraries/rhi/research-papers/ANALYSIS-INTEGRITY-OF-THE-PATTERSON-GIMLIN-FILM-IMAGE_final.pdf

I saw that earlier and its a great read. I didn't link it since it's a download, but its pretty good stuff.

 

[TJ8869]

Since this thread has somewhat morphed into paranormal experiences, I'll offer this one:

(my wife's aunt, not crazy or anything, good person)

She got married later in life to her husband (like late 40's I think) and on their honeymoon, they rented a car and along their travels picked up a novelty keychain or whatever at one of the touristy places they stopped at and put it on the keys to the rental car. At the end of the honeymoon, they returned the car and went home to go about their life or whatever and they realized they had left that keychain on the car keys. So while it was just something cheap, it was a neat keepsake to them that they wished they had remembered and even called the rental car place back when they got home to see if they could send it to them and of course they said they couldn't find it or whatever and it was lost to the sands of time if you will.

Anyway, I guess it was always kind of brought up tongue and cheek for years about "which one of them forgot it" or whatever and then sadly some years later, her husband was diagnosed with cancer and it was one of those deals where he was diagnosed and then like 30 days later he was gone....so it was a pretty bad deal.

So then a few weeks after his death, their dog got up barking in the middle of the night (which was abnormal) and my wife's aunt just thought it was weird and went on about things, but then sometime in the next day or so she was in the office in their house and opened the top drawer of the desk and low and behold, there was the missing trinket key chain from their honeymoon on top of the papers (and this was a desk and drawer she used weekly if not daily from what I was told, so she would have opened that drawer many times since her husbands passing).

She actually didn't tell anyone for awhile because it felt just crazy and pretty personal, but I always thought that was a wild story.

That and then their dog (which I have heard similar stories before), upon going to the cemetery for the first time after his passing, ran unprompted to his grave and was waiting for my aunt when she caught up to him.

Someone (niece/nephew/whatever) who had heard her tell that story and knew what the keychain looked like bought a similar keychain and stashed in the drawer to mess with her head.

 

[SoDakHawk]

To each their own, but if common sense tells you mythical beasts do not exist, and no physical evidence of big feet exists other than a fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, it seems like a massive waste of time and energy for people to be fixated on this. Other than the fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, there is no more evidence that they exist than that which we have for leprechauns or unicorns. Count me as interested when there is a 4k trail cam picking one up, or we find one smoked by a semi blazing through Idaho or Montana.

Very easy to avoid roads in Montana and Idaho.

Again, people underestimate how vast the American (and Canadian) West and Rockies are. A creature not wanting to be found could easily avoid detection, especially at elevation.

 

[Tom Paris]

To each their own, but if common sense tells you mythical beasts do not exist, and no physical evidence of big feet exists other than a fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, it seems like a massive waste of time and energy for people to be fixated on this. Other than the fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, there is no more evidence that they exist than that which we have for leprechauns or unicorns. Count me as interested when there is a 4k trail cam picking one up, or we find one smoked by a semi blazing through Idaho or Montana.

Again, the thousands of people over 130 years, who claim to see what sounds like Sasquatch, are crackpots? Totally confused by what they SWEAR they saw? Again, that’s where I’m at with this. I hope someday we get definitive evidence one way or another.

 

[BelemNole]

Very easy to avoid roads in Montana and Idaho.

Again, people underestimate how vast the American (and Canadian) West and Rockies are. A creature not wanting to be found could easily avoid detection, especially at elevation.

 

[Tom Paris]

I just saw there were a couple “credible incidents” in S. Carolina last fall. Multiple people on 2 different occasions claiming they saw one. It’s gotta be something.

 

[ConvenientParking]

 

[Colonoscopy]

 

[Tenacious E]

Again, the thousands of people over 130 years, who claim to see what sounds like Sasquatch, are crackpots? Totally confused by what they SWEAR they saw? Again, that’s where I’m at with this. I hope someday we get definitive evidence one way or another.

Thousands of people, yet no evidence. Again, while there are certainly liars and purveyors of hoaxes, I blieve that the vast majority of people did see something. I just do not accept that what they saw are giant hominids in sufficient numbers for there to be an actual species, walking around, eating, and dying, without there ever having been discovered a corpse, or one captured clearly by a camera. I mean, there are 1.5 to 2.1 million vehicle/deer collisions per YEAR. So since y2k, 40 to 50 million deer struck by vehicles. And if you want to discuss superfast super agile reclusive beasts, mountain lions are hit by cars to the tune of 70 per year. But not a single big foot? No way.

 

[Nole Lou]

Very easy to avoid roads in Montana and Idaho.

Again, people underestimate how vast the American (and Canadian) West and Rockies are. A creature not wanting to be found could easily avoid detection, especially at elevation.

I mean, we've continued to find previously unknown, unconfirmed uncontacted human tribes in the last couple decades. And despite how well adapted they are for the environment, there's pretty much no human that is going to be as adaptable to the wilderness as an animal.

Hell, how many countless documented stories are there in North America where a hiker disappears off a trail into the wilderness and is never seen again? And this is someone who is actively trying to be found, often has many other people in the immediate vicinity, and frequently has massive search and rescue parties in the area within hours including all manner of technology and air search.

And they never find them, and never find their bones, or their clothes. And this is almost always on established park grounds, dedicated hiking areas with regular activity, etc.

The ability of the wilderness to hide things is just hugely underestimated.

 

[Aardvark86]

To each their own, but if common sense tells you mythical beasts do not exist, and no physical evidence of big feet exists other than a fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, it seems like a massive waste of time and energy for people to be fixated on this. Other than the fuzzy video taken in the 1960s, there is no more evidence that they exist than that which we have for leprechauns or unicorns. Count me as interested when there is a 4k trail cam picking one up, or we find one smoked by a semi blazing through Idaho or Montana.

You should not be so dismissive of the Bigfoot Economy. Millions of dollars in goods and services annually.

 

[Tenacious E]

I just saw there were a couple “credible incidents” in S. Carolina last fall. Multiple people on 2 different occasions claiming they saw one. It’s gotta be something.

Okay, that was 2022, not 1967. Could easily have been a prank.

 

[Tenacious E]

I mean, we've continued to find previously unknown, unconfirmed uncontacted human tribes in the last couple decades. And despite how well adapted they are for the environment, there's pretty much no human that is going to be as adaptable to the wilderness as an animal.

Hell, how many countless documented stories are there in North America where a hiker disappears off a trail into the wilderness and is never seen again? And this is someone who is actively trying to be found, often has many other people in the immediate vicinity, and frequently has massive search and rescue parties in the area within hours including all manner of technology and air search.

And they never find them, and never find their bones, or their clothes. And this is almost always on established park grounds, dedicated hiking areas with regular activity, etc.

The ability of the wilderness to hide things is just hugely underestimated.

Those tribes were not found in the middle of the United States. And people disappearing has nothing to do with there being a big foot. People drown, have heart attacks where they can't be easily found, and hell, even get attacked and killed by mountain lions and bears. But that doesn't make it any more likely that big feet exist.

 

[Tenacious E]

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Well that changes everything. Count me in as convinced.

 

[Nole Lou]

Those tribes were not found in the middle of the United States. And people disappearing has nothing to do with there being a big foot. People drown, have heart attacks where they can't be easily found, and hell, even get attacked and killed by mountain lions and bears. But that doesn't make it any more likely that big feet exist.

No, it doesn't make it any more likely that bigfoot exists, I definitely wasn't implying that.

I was making the point that with all the resources imaginable we frequently can't find a person, who wants to be found, in a (by comparison) super accessible, well travelled public hiking area. And frequently don't find their remains, even when they were wearing bright colored clothing, etc.

To me, that casts doubt on the easy assurance that we'd have found bigfoot now just by chance in some of the most remote regions of the country/world. There are hundreds of people that have disappeared and never been found despite extensive searches despite almost exact certainty of where and when they disappeared. I don't buy that we'd simply HAVE to have found a bigfoot by now, by chance, in far more remote and inaccessible regions.

 

[Chuck C]

I’ll preface by saying, I think that the vast majority of people claiming Bigfoot sightings and nearly 100% of video evidence is false.

I do find certain subsets interesting though. There seems to be a lot of Bigfoot claims that happen within a bigger paranormal series of events. Families or individuals that have suffered through a barrage of High Strangeness and hauntings/paranormal/UFO activity have often claimed to be harassed by a Bigfoot like creature too during that time. Some of the Missing 411 cases claim the same thing. These people, almost to a T, have no desire to get rich or famous. They just want to put the strange and traumatic experiences behind them.

 

[Nole Lou]

To me, the whole thing hinges on whether a small population of say 30-50 individuals, could perpetuate over time. To me, if yes, a community, or maybe even a couple of them, could exist without creating any of the chance encounters or leaving any of the evidence that people expect.

I don't think their population could number in say, the several thousands, without creating the..ahem...footprint that would have confirmed their existentence. The sightings all over, 20 miles north of Atlanta or whatever...nope I don't buy it whatsoever. I don't think there is a significant population of bigfoots, in all somewhat wooded areas of the country, that are just incredibly good at not being seen or leaving any trace.

By my understanding...that's not really possible for a population that small to have genetic diversity to survive, and so I ultimately don't think they exist.

 

[Tenacious E]

No, it doesn't make it any more likely that bigfoot exists, I definitely wasn't implying that.

I was making the point that with all the resources imaginable we frequently can't find a person, who wants to be found, in a (by comparison) super accessible, well travelled public hiking area. And frequently don't find their remains, even when they were wearing bright colored clothing, etc.

To me, that casts doubt on the easy assurance that we'd have found bigfoot now just by chance in some of the most remote regions of the country/world. There are hundreds of people that have disappeared and never been found despite extensive searches despite almost exact certainty of where and when they disappeared. I don't buy that we'd simply HAVE to have found a bigfoot by now, by chance, in far more remote and inaccessible regions.

Fair enough. I like you Lou, so I hope I'm not coming off as a dick in this thread. I am just a huge skeptic of everything really, and something in my eyes does not exist without proof. Hazard of my profession, I guess.

 

[soybean]

I believe you saw something that you cannot neatly fit into a bucket, but was actually a common one with some abnormalities going on either physically or behaviorally.

Please, tell me what I saw?

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

I mean, we've continued to find previously unknown, unconfirmed uncontacted human tribes in the last couple decades. And despite how well adapted they are for the environment, there's pretty much no human that is going to be as adaptable to the wilderness as an animal.

Hell, how many countless documented stories are there in North America where a hiker disappears off a trail into the wilderness and is never seen again? And this is someone who is actively trying to be found, often has many other people in the immediate vicinity, and frequently has massive search and rescue parties in the area within hours including all manner of technology and air search.

And they never find them, and never find their bones, or their clothes. And this is almost always on established park grounds, dedicated hiking areas with regular activity, etc.

The ability of the wilderness to hide things is just hugely underestimated.

How many of those previously unknown human tribes have been found in the Pacific Northwest? For all these thousands of bigfoot “sightings”, not one single clearly definitive photo? For them to be so shy and trying to not be found why are they being “sighted” so much? People will do stupid things for attention….