For those in the know; what's the feeling on JB? It could've seen as encouraging that he's supposedly in a dead heat with Williams for the pg slot. Then again, it could also mean that Williams hasn't developed well in the off season. What can we expect out of Bohannen? Better or worse than Gesell as a freshman?
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My guess he will have a little better 3 point percentage and probably shoot more. I dont think JBo will be afraid to shoot. Just my guess, but I see him as a ballsy gunslinger that will still have a high BB IQ to run the show and get the team into their offensive sets when he is on the court playing PG. But I definitely see him as a threat to shoot more than MG did when he was a freshman whether he is in playing the 1 or the 2 position.
Maybe it was just me, but I think Mike G had a nice freshman year and seemed to shoot the ball more consistently from 3 than he did later in his career. I know he injured his elbow and that really affected him moving forward (his junior year I think). I like Bohannen's range, toughness, skill set and mindset. Therefore, I think he will have a nice Freshman year but like any 1st year player will flash his potential but will have some growing pains and inconsistency thrown in there. I sometimes felt MG was afraid to shoot the J which is why he drove an awful lot. I dont think you will see that with Bohannen.
From the unknowing camp, I thinks it speaks more to CW not doing as well as needed than JB killing it. My guess is probably wrong if my football picks are any indication.
If he can shoot free throws he is already more developed than MG. MG was a liability at the end of games
I really wish Iowa had an experienced point this year, which is probably driving my "fear and loathing" about this year's team. I hope this kid works out, and the duo we're going to see grows into two guys we can trust going forward past this year.
But for some reason I fear this team is going to struggle all year to score in the half court, and we're going to see Jok going isolation or desperation all game every game just to stay close.
But for some reason I fear this team is going to struggle all year to score in the half court, and we're going to see Jok going isolation or desperation all game every game just to stay close.
I fear you are right IC WEST. CW is just not doing it. He is not performing well enough to earn the spot vs a freshman. Which is not good.
From the hints we have had on Uhl(not shooting well, his not starting against ISU, poor shot selections, etc). I believe we have another case here.
I hope I am wrong, and we will find out in 3 weeks, but we have not heard the opposite. Not one word of CW or Uhl killing it and really tearing it up.
My biggest concerns going into this year were, the obvious , PG position. And Uhl finding his shot again and/or developing other parts of his game. Let's hope the concerns are unfounded, OR some others step up and surpass.
I think this is why I am really looking forward to this year's team. There is a famous quote that says "becoming is better than being." Meaning I like the youth, talent, and makeup of this team so I am going to enjoy watching them develop, especially the point guard position. Which is pertinent to our discussion here.
I was in the camp that appreciated MG and all he did. However, it is my opinion that the ceiling is higher for talent/potential for both Williams and JBo. All the things you said about the offense stalling through Jok, I recall it doing the same thing through JU last season when we went through our B1G swoon. My hope is that due to the athleticism on this team and the pace we will play at, we will be less susceptible to these scoring droughts, yet still have a guy that is a Stud and you can run a play for at the end of the game in Jok.
Likewise, I don't think that anybody truly knows about our PG position, but I am a glass half full guy.
You guys need to give all these players some time.....my goodness it was Halloween yesterday. They need some rope and outside of a few posters, I've not heard of any concerns from coaches about any players outside of an ankle sprain/hammy with Dale Jones who I believe started in this ISU scrimmage last Saturday. I've heard a lot of concerns/complaints from posters about Brady E and Sute's inside report has Brady making 3 or 4 3pt shots in this scrimmage and maybe the lead scorer?
The real story is our trusted source of evidence/info about this team to date is weak evidence at best.
Both CW and Jordan are very talented BB players. They just are. Different skill sets and if that quick snippet of CW taking it the length of the court at 3/quarters pressure and dunk from the BIG sig over an ISU player doesn't excite you to want to give CW and others some rope here early on than I don't quite know what else to say??
Didn't Gesell essentially take over for Cartwright? Who was he competing against at the position? Marble, who was a 2 anyways?
If Bohannon is 49/51 with Williams right now, who has shown some nice flashes and high upside (and is only a sophomore), then I'm confident that this means he's comparable to Mike coming in.
Oh really? So when Mike moved to shooting guard and Clemmons started fourteen game at point??????
No way that Williams and Bohannon are as prepared to play point as Clemmons was after about six games into the season?
God, I can't wait for the season to start so we can all become even more irrational. And we'll have results to skew into even deeper irrationalities.
I thought Clemmons went to point because Mike was the best option we had at the 2. He was the best point AND the best 2. Clemmons at point was better than the 2nd option at 2.
Sapp moved into the starting lineup after we got smoked by VT and WSU. He proceeded to score 5 points in two games before going back to the bench.
Gesell had a fantastic freshman year.
Nope, he went to the two because Marble went to the three because Aaron White couldn't defend a three. When Aaron figured out he had to get that done to some degree, everybody went back. But if you guys can't remember that how can you be saying that Williams and Bohannon aren't as prepared to be point guards as Gesell was?
Two games? You're either getting too old to remember $hit or just making stuff up. Oooops, stuff, not $hit.
I don't mean to get all controversial here but what is this the last gasp of the doomsayers before the season starts? 
I thought you guys were gone to yell at Miles or Groce or Pitino or somebody else?
I thought you guys were gone to yell at Miles or Groce or Pitino or somebody else?
It wasn't a question. He didn't start against ISU, was back in the lineup for awhile and then benched again. He simply wasn't very good.
Regardless, I have no idea what this has to do with Gesell being a much better player and setting a high bar for freshman PG play. If Williams or Bohannon are as good as freshman Gesell we are a lock for the tournament.
I don't mean to get all controversial here but what is this the last gasp of the doomsayers before the season starts?
Not a doomsayer here. Just trying to recall how it all went down. I can't recall a year I've been more excited about Iowa Basketball. My expectations are that we'll look like a bunch of pretty good freshman and sophomores following Jok and my hopes are that we'll have upperclassmen who all exceed expectations and an extremely exciting glimpse of the future of Iowa basketball.
Clemmons started 14 games his frosh year, all at point guard. For a time he was considered to be outplaying Gesell. What that has to do with anything, is making wild, guesswork, statements as fact should and are going to get you criticized. I get the same when I go out on a limb. I'm glad you dialed up the "if" Williams or Bohannon are....now we have no problem.
Gesell had the best freshman PG season in 20 years. On par with Deano. I'm pretty confident in my opinion.
I'm going to make my standard, start of the year request of...can we spell the names of guys on the roster correctly? It's not that hard and it's a bit disrespectful to spell it incorrectly when it's a guy who's played here for 4 years or will play here for 4 years.
K. Thanks.
K. Thanks.
Sapp's 1st start his FR year was against TAMU-CC. He then started every game until the game at home v PSU, when he came off the bench. He didn't start again that season. During those 13 games, he averaged 5.5 pts, 4.9 ast, 2.1 rb, shot 35% from the floor, 25% from 3 and 66% from the line. He had a high of 14 pts against ISU and went scoreless against UNI and NW. It appears he didn't start again until the Hampton game his Jr year.
Sapp's gamelog 2013.
Sapp's gamelog 2013.
More than once Bohannon has been spelled Bohannen in here. On top of seeing Daily (in other threads), Kreiner, Pemsyl/Pemsel/Pemsle, etc.
These guys play for the Hawks, just wish people would take a second to learn how to spell their names. Yes, it's a pet peeve, but after 4 years of Gessell/Gessel, Olesani, Utoff, etc, it bothers me. And I'm no grammar nazi, I couldn't care less if commas are right, words are spelled correctly or if people pylon after a want of bee. But someone's name, who plays for the team that we (well, most of us) root for, is it that hard to get it right?
Heck, people still say Ferentz wrong and people post in game threads about it all the time.
Thanks SSG T for the link, and for the explanation. If I ever misspell a players name I apologize. Old, fat, fingers and a bum hand. Say, that's a great site for player info, I'm saving that! Thanks again.
On Bohannon, and more stuff. We may not get a good comparison to Gesell as if he and Williams are about even that puts Jordan at a disadvantage in the need department. Also, Gesell played on the team that couldn't shoot straight. .410 fg and .305 from 3. If Bohannon gets minutes he could have good assists just passing the ball to Jok.
The thing about that 2012/13 team that won it 25 games was it's defense. We went from (Kenpom) the year before, #102 overall, #40 offensively and #206 defensively to #29 overall, 56th offensively and #25 defensively.
A big part of that was Woody and Olaseni in the middle, but Mike and Sapp worked hard right off the bat, and others learned we were going to stop the ball once in awhile.
That's an area I'm hoping we see some steady transition in this year. Last year? #22 overall, #25 and #30 offensively and defensively. We keep that defense about there, I think we're dancing again.
Another thing. We've had some guys taking forced shots with time running out that weren't exactly gifted in that department. Love 'em, they tried, nothing but heartfelt dammits for them. I know that every time they wanted the ball to go in. A BIG, big, big, big part of the future is seeing if we have more ice in our veins with this new group.
And free throw percentage. And turnovers. Big areas of concern as well. Stuff that improves with time.
The thing about that 2012/13 team that won it 25 games was it's defense. We went from (Kenpom) the year before, #102 overall, #40 offensively and #206 defensively to #29 overall, 56th offensively and #25 defensively.
A big part of that was Woody and Olaseni in the middle, but Mike and Sapp worked hard right off the bat, and others learned we were going to stop the ball once in awhile.
That's an area I'm hoping we see some steady transition in this year. Last year? #22 overall, #25 and #30 offensively and defensively. We keep that defense about there, I think we're dancing again.
Another thing. We've had some guys taking forced shots with time running out that weren't exactly gifted in that department. Love 'em, they tried, nothing but heartfelt dammits for them. I know that every time they wanted the ball to go in. A BIG, big, big, big part of the future is seeing if we have more ice in our veins with this new group.
And free throw percentage. And turnovers. Big areas of concern as well. Stuff that improves with time.
We're going to stay in front of people better in the front court. The backcourt isn't going to have many postups vs Jok/CW. But we have lots of options if something isn't working up front. In the backcourt we need a good A/T man and defender who isn't Jok to prove himself: ACHOO- (CW).
I agree 100%. For those old enough to remember Gordy Bohannon and the failed recruitment of Jason, there's been 30 years to learn, re-learn, and learn the correct spelling again now that Jordan is a Hawk.
I hope JB is a much better shooter than MG. That'll be lights out! However, MG shot very well his freshman year. Then he hurt his arm his sophomore year, and was never the same.
His best shooting stats, 3 PT , FT &FG % were his freshman year. . . Then the elbow incident. Most unfortunate he was
Jordan will be just fine. Bumps along the way, certainly, but as has been mentioned he has a very high "basketball IQ". And I think it bodes well that Jok made the comment the other day that he already plays beyond a freshmen. Now I realize you aren't going to say he's sucking fence posts, but my guess is if that were the case you'd say next to nothing.
Problem is, MG didnt really get better as the years went by. The team around him did but he didnt.
Based on what I saw at the scrimmage tonight CW should be our primary PG. Things change and we're going to need JoBo to give us quality minutes regardless but athletically there's no comparison IMO.
Agreed. They both have much different styles. CW likes to push and can attack the rim effectively. JB has a much more deliberate style not a threat to run to the rim but definitely a threat as an outside shooter if there's room.
They do seem to have complementary strengths. I am hoping JB goes down as upgrade to gesell. Shooting wise, he looks to be huge upgrade.
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Bohannon can shoot, we know that. What I like about him most is he's a tough kid. Hes just a freshman and there will be mistakes, but it seems he's not the type that will piss himself with the ball or at the line in late game situations.
