They didn't seem to change their minds even after playing the video of Koehn where he said he went through a "practice kick."
BTN fb gurus say timeout before kick lost game for Pitt
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The whistle was blown well before the snap. If they don't think Koehn didn't know it didn't count they are stupid.
I still think it was very important he got to go out there and receive what amounted to a practice swing. It very much made the real kick have a mulligan type feel to it.
It definitely looked like he layed up on that first kick to me. The whistle was blew well before the snap so everyone knew.
It was obvious in my, admittedly, inebriated mind and distance from the kick that he knew it was whistled and was just judging the angle/direction/wind. It was clear he didn't boot it.
True. Also, I wonder if a coach would be better off making the kicker think he's going to call a timeout in that situation and not actually doing it would be more of a mental issue than actually icing the kicker.
I was looking almost straight on to his kicks and it was quite obvious he "let up" on the first kick after hearing the whistle. I thought it was great that the scenario was virtually the same as the ISU game last year only with Iowa in the kick it to win it position.
And , they played the ISU kick from last year as if it were the same situation. Did the ISU kicker ever say he took a practice kick too? Sorry, I have tried to erase everything about that game from my memory.
I don't get why you would look for them to "change their minds" upon hearing Koehn said he went through it as a "practice kick". I would think that that statement from Koehn would instead reinforce their apparent view that the time out hurt Pitt.
Who's Marcus Ray? And I suppose Ohio State is the real deal after dispatching mighty N. Illinois 20-13 Saturday, or that Minnesota is for real after its 13-10 demolition of Kent State... BTN opinions are worth about as much as Monopoly money. I'm willing to let it play out on the field. Let's see what's what around the end of November. Marcus Ray. LOL
He is a commentator on BTN. Played safety for Michigan and he has Michigan out of his top 5 in the Big Ten. He led on that his thinking of pretender was based on Iowa's defense not finishing in the 4th quarter.
I wouldn't take his word as gospel he just had to pick pretenders and contenders in the West.
He had Northwestern and Minnesota as contenders and Iowa as a pretender.
Mason had Iowa and Northwestern as contenders and Minnesota as a pretender.
What was kind of funny is Marcus Ray said "coach Mason is wrong because he didn't recruit me to play safety for him at Minnesota".
Mason came back with that's not accurate. I was at Kansas at that time and I recruited Marcus to play Safety and he said he wanted to play Running back. I told him he didn't have the skill set to play RB in college. So he went to Michigan and remind me again what position he played.
I thought that was kind of funny
Pretty sure numerous statistical viewpoints show that the timeout means nothing in terms of influencing the final kick's results.
I took it that they thought Koehn's first (i.e. practice) kick was for real, and so because of the timeout he got another chance. So their thinking (IMO)was if Pitt hadn't called the timeout, the game would have ended with the miss(first kick) . You, I guess, think they meant the first kick just helped Koehn get in some practice and so hurt Pitt. I don't see it that way, but opinions are free.
Yep, if I was a coach now, I would walk right up next to the official, and start talking to myself while leaning towards the official. Let the kicker wait for the whistle. Probably wouldn't work any better than calling a timeout does, but it would be fun TV. I could see Les Miles doing it.
This is the correct answer. Look what happened last year when we tried to ice ISUs kicker. Every kicker likes getting a practice swing knowing it doesn't matter if he makes it because the coached called TO. How many times in golf have you hit a bad shot then took a second and nailed it. Unless they start throwing flags for teams that hike it and kick it when TO is called, your best bet is to not call TO.
I believe this may well be the new strategy for coaches going forward. The "icing" theory seems to be anticipated more these days and kickers are now expecting it.
Koehn said he knew they were going to call a timeout so he was just going to get it lined up. You can tell he pulled up on the first kick and didn't strike it with his full power. Obviously, not many people know much about opposing teams' kickers but everyone that follows Iowa Football knows that Koehn has a cannon for a leg. That ball was good from another 5-10 yards away based on how high it was when it went through the uprights. The timeout did not lose the game for Pitt but as others have said it would probably have been more effective had they just let him kick the first one. Also, it's not as though he had to make the kick to tie or even win the game such as being down by 1 or 2 going into the final kick. He knew we would go to overtime if he missed so there wasn't as much pressure in that situation. Don't get me wrong, there was a ton of pressure on him but not as bad had we been down or had to tie the game. It was an awesome kick regardless of the situation.
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In a post game interview, Koehn said he heard the TO whistle before his first kick, so he used it as a practice kick; my words, but something like that.
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