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***Bubble Watching 2024!!!***

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Because I'm bored, let's go ahead and make this the official thread to keep track of both our bubble status, and that of our fellow bubble-inhabiting companions in this closing stretch of the 2023-2024 season:

Based on Lunardi's bracketology-
(Last Four In)
Seton Hall
Providence
Gonzaga
Wake Forest*

(First Four Out)
Texas A&M*
Mississippi
Utah
Butler

(Next Four Out)
Villanova
Drake
Cincinnati
Colorado

-Some quick thoughts......I penciled in Wake Forest and flipped TAMU, after Saturday's results. Not gonna change much more than that, as Lundardi hasn't updated things Friday. Also, Drake losing to UNI probably ends any hope they had of getting an at-large bids, but what does that mean for Iowa considering there's plenty to debate about who the better team is between the two of us.

Here's a list of the rest of the contenders (whether you think they're in or not is up for debate........hence the purpose of this thread):

AAC-
South Florida**
Florida Atlantic
----------
Memphis
Charlotte
SMU
UAB

A10-
Richmond**
Dayton
----------
Loyola, Chicago

ACC-
Wake Forest
Pittsburgh
Clemson
-----------
NC State
Syracuse

Big East-
Seton Hall
Providence

-------------
Butler
Villanova


B12-
Kansas State
Texas
-------------
Cincinnati

Big Ten- (Pur, Wis, Ill, NW, Neb)
Michigan State
Iowa :D
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(Anyone else?.....PSU? Minn? OSU?)

MVC-
Indiana State**
Drake

MWC-
Nevada
Colorado State
New Mexico
-----------------
UNLV?

P12-
Oregon
Colorado
Utah


SEC-
Texas A&M
Mississippi


Sun Belt-
Appalachian State**
James Madison

WCC-
St. Mary's**
Gonzaga


**- currently leading their conference, could possibly/debatably still be an at-large team if they don't win conference tournament (which could potentially also work against other bubble teams)
 
ESPN now officially has Iowa on the Bubble Watch as a team with "work to do".

"No one here at Bubble Watch HQ can recall ever adding a new team to "Work to do" coming off a loss. Then again, we can't remember a bubble weekend as wild as this past one. When the dust settled and literally every bubble team outside the projected field except Colorado lost, Iowa was left standing in surprisingly good shape. Prior to coming up short by 10 at the final horn at Illinois, Fran McCaffery's group played the Illini even for 36 minutes, won at Michigan State and scored a victory at home in overtime over Wisconsin. The Hawkeyes' metrics at 16-12 blend in nicely with those of "Work to do" hopefuls like Ole Miss, Butler or Cincinnati. Iowa has arrived."
 
We lose to Penn State at home then all of the bubble talk will be over. Another thing that most likely to happen is Bid Thieves. A-10 and American are most likely to have them so that is 2 less at-large spots gone. Other conferences to watch is Pac12 and WCC.
 
In order to make this easier for everyone to follow, the next step in the process is to do the math on at-large bids vs tournament "locks".

NCAA Tournament breakdown:
32 Automatic Qualifiers
36 At-large bids

Projected Tournament "Locks" by conference:

AAC-
Florida Atlantic
(odd considering they are currently 3 games back on AAC-leading South Florida, who can clinch the outright conference regular season title with one win in their remaining 3 games. Several prognosticators are even bullish to put the 21-5 Bulls in lest they run the gammit and win the AAC Tournament as well).

A10-
Dayton
(As mentioned above, weirdly enough, Dayton is appearing as a lock for the NCAA Tournament, however after an upset loss to George Mason, they find themselves a game behind Richmond and Loyola, Chicago in the conference standings. That has left some beginning to question whether perhaps Dayton will need to win the A10 Tournament or will they be able to salvage what's left of their schedule to give them some cushion and an at-large bid come Selection Sunday)

ACC-
North Carolina
Duke
Clemson
(Obviously, Duke/UNC have been locks for a while, but Clemson has been well-represented in mock brackets, despite being two games back on Virginia, who also holds a head-to-head win over the Tigers, but is suspiciously hanging at the back-end of many projections, including being one of Lunardi's Last Four BYES. I will hold on the Cavaliers for now, but I would have to think one more win, bringing them to 12 in the ACC, would secure them "Lock" status)

Big 12-
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Baylor
Texas Tech
BYU
(It's no secret the Big 12 is gonna get the most teams. The question is just how many. Right now, the only teams with any real work to do are Texas and Oklahoma, and even then most mocks seem to have them safely in without needing to sweat it out on Selection Sunday. TCU is probably a win or two from lock status, but they're in a better position than the two aforementioned teams)

Big East-
Connecticut
Marquette
Creighton
(The Big East will be the conference to keep on eye on for bid stealers and bubble bursters, as several teams have entered the conversation in the last few weeks. Villanova is a team Iowa could be fighting for a final bid, along with Seton Hall and Providence, who are both projected to make the final cut with a couple more wins. Then you factor in teams like St. John's and Butler, who could burst some bubbles with strong finishes and a run in the Big East Tournament.)

Big Ten-
Purdue
Illinois
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Nebraska
(I think we can assume Nebraska and Northwestern will make the cut barring any epic collapses. That leaves Michigan State as the only other potential lock with "work to do". The rest are in desperation mode, and that lost has suddenly expanded as well. Of course, our hometown Hawks have a lot of work to do, but again, I've said for weeks. Talk to me when they get to 19 wins. They'll have their opportunities to reach that magic number here in the next two weeks. Meanwhile, there's outside-looking-in bubble hopefuls that include Minnesota, Maryland, and even Ohio State after a couple of big victories in the past week or so. In fact, you could probably throw in every single Big Ten team not named Michigan as not-yet-eliminated as far as their bubble chances go. It will definitely make for an interesting Big Ten Tournament to see who ends up snagging that last at-large bid.)

MWC-
Utah State
San Diego State
(Only a couple teams are virtual locks at this point, but most projections have as many as 6 MWC teams pretty safely in the tournament. Nevada and New Mexico are next in line and are probably gonna reach lock status by the end of the week. Boise State and Colorado State still have some work to do, but most are pitting them in that 7-10 safely-in range. UNLV is another one to keep an eye on as a bid stealer if they get hot in the final two weeks.)

Pac 12-
Arizona
Washington State
(The Pac 12 only has two teams that can feel confident as "locks" heading into the final couple of weeks of action. Teams like Oregon, Utah, Colorado, and even UCLA still have a lot of work to do to convince the committee they should take one of those last few at-large bids. These will be some of the bubble teams to keep an eye on, as Iowa fans.)

SEC-
Tennessee
Kentucky
Auburn
Alabama
Florida
South Carolina
(Outside of whose bubbles will burst, perhaps the biggest drama come Selection Sunday will be which conference ends up with more representatives between the Big 12, the perceived best conference in the nation this year, and the SEC. Florida and South Carolina are "soft" locks right now, but really barring any disastrous collapses, will be safely in the tournament, especially given the competition on the bubble. The teams with actual work left to do are Mississippi and Mississippi State, followed by current outside-looking-in bubble hopefuls Texas A&M and LSU. MSU can gain lock status with any one win in their final 4 (UK, Aub, TAMU, SC), though they may have to sweat a bit if they only manage a 1-3 finish with that lone win coming against the Aggies. Mississippi sits at 19-8 but a 6-8 conference record, and dropping 5 of their last 6, is what's holding them back. They will probably need at least 3 more wins to feel any kind of confidence about their chances come Sunday.)


Other-
Saint Mary's
(The Gaels are pretty much a lock at this point, even if they lose out after a 14-0 start to league play, if for nothing else, because there just aren't enough potential bad losses left for them to take, particularly thanks to the clever way they structure their conference tournament. The only real damage they could do at this point is hurt their final seed line, should they fall off down the stretch against Pepperdine, Gonzaga, and in the WCC Tournament.

Gonzaga, meanwhile, can probably cinch up lock status with what could sneakily be a bracket buster game of sorts, in a road trip to 3rd place San Francisco. The Dons sit at 22-7 overall, 11-3 in the WCC just behind Gonzaga, and a strong finish including a deep run in the WCC Tournament could have many bubble teams biting their finger nails.

Drake and Indiana State are far from locks, outside of winning the MVC Tournament, however both have solid resumes and have spent quite a bit of time on mock brackets. We've talked about Drake and how they'll probably need to make the MVC Finals at this point to even have a chance, but the Sycamores, who can clinch the MVC regular season title outright with wins over Evansville and Murray State, sit at 24-5 with really only one "bad" loss, which coincidentally came in their first game as a ranked team in 45 years, when they fell at home 80-67 to Illinoise State. If they, and Drake go chalk to the MVC Finals, then it will be a shame if the loser of that gets left out of the tournament.

Edit- Wanted to add James Madison as one to watch. This was a team that was ranked at one point to start the season, and currently sits a game behind Appalachian State in the Sun Belt. They're 26-3, and short of dropping any of their remaining regular season games, should they make the Sun Belt final at 30-3, it would at least raise some eye brows if they didn't take an at-large bid compared to some other teams hovering around the bubble.)
 
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Because I'm bored, let's go ahead and make this the official thread to keep track of both our bubble status, and that of our fellow bubble-inhabiting companions in this closing stretch of the 2023-2024 season:

Based on Lunardi's bracketology-
(Last Four In)
Seton Hall
Providence
Gonzaga
Wake Forest*

(First Four Out)
Texas A&M*
Mississippi
Utah
Butler

(Next Four Out)
Villanova
Drake
Cincinnati
Colorado

-Some quick thoughts......I penciled in Wake Forest and flipped TAMU, after Saturday's results. Not gonna change much more than that, as Lundardi hasn't updated things Friday. Also, Drake losing to UNI probably ends any hope they had of getting an at-large bids, but what does that mean for Iowa considering there's plenty to debate about who the better team is between the two of us.

Here's a list of the rest of the contenders (whether you think they're in or not is up for debate........hence the purpose of this thread):

AAC-
South Florida**
Florida Atlantic
----------
Memphis
Charlotte
SMU
UAB

A10-
Richmond**
Dayton
----------
Loyola, Chicago

ACC-
Wake Forest
Pittsburgh
Clemson
-----------
NC State
Syracuse

Big East-
Seton Hall
Providence

-------------
Butler
Villanova


B12-
Kansas State
Texas
-------------
Cincinnati

Big Ten- (Pur, Wis, Ill, NW, Neb)
Michigan State
Iowa :D
----------------
(Anyone else?.....PSU? Minn? OSU?)

MVC-
Indiana State**
Drake

MWC-
Nevada
Colorado State
New Mexico
-----------------
UNLV?

P12-
Oregon
Colorado
Utah


SEC-
Texas A&M
Mississippi


Sun Belt-
Appalachian State**
James Madison

WCC-
St. Mary's**
Gonzaga


**- currently leading their conference, could possibly/debatably still be an at-large team if they don't win conference tournament (which could potentially also work against other bubble teams)
So if my math is right, then on the generous side, I had 22 teams as tournament at-large locks (taking conference champs into account).

That leaves ~~14 at-large spots to fight over in the next couple weeks amongst the teams I listed above, and any others that may make surprise runs.
 
PSU game is big. Should be a win but we’re going to be tempted to look forward to Northwestern. I like our chances with Northwestern and Illinois if we beat PSU.
I am afraid penn state will be a hard fought win they are Houston in are league with pressure defense so IF we win do we have the legs for Northwestern
 
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Panda Bubble Watch is on!

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Hawks stay alive for another day! Wake, Cincy and Pitt all lose! Syracuse is also a team to watch. Big Big Bubble games tonight. Iowa needs all the help it can get and the games are getting short. Bottom line; JUST KEEP WINNING!
 
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Providence, Seton Hall, Butler or St. Johns Take your pick as it is a Double Bubble game! Northestern, Texas AM, Oregon, Virginia, Ole Miss and DRAKE/ Indiana State for Net purposes!
Looks like we are looking good to tonight for people we want to lose except for ole miss
 
Very good night last night! To bad Virginia and Oregon squeked out a win. 2 teams tonight to root against: Gonzaga and Utah! Somehow someway Ithink Gonzaga makes it in either by winning next 2 games or win there conference tournament. Its been a long time since Gonzaga hasnt made the NCAA so we will see!
 
I so badly want the Hawks to be the 6-seed in the BTT, for so many reasons.


- gets 11/14 winner on Thursday night (Michigan is locked in as the 14 / any of Indiana, Penn St, Minnesota, Maryland and Ohio St are all in the 11-seed range)

- very possibly might end up with any of Wisconsin, N'western or Nebraska on Friday night, if win on Thursday

- opposite side of bracket from Purdue, and just maybe Illinois as well

- last, but very certainly not least, night game(s) on Thursday (and Friday*), and the last BTT game of the day on Saturday - if make the semis
 
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Panda Bubble Watch is on!
I thought it wasn't official unless there were 4 ****s?

With a week off I guess we're rooting for a lot of teams to lose. Seems like teams the Hawks are competing with won yesterday, although I could be wrong.
 
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Another big bubble night tonight! Providence, Kansas State, Syracuse, Cincy, ST. Johns, Wake Forest and Pitt. all play tonight. I still think a little help would be nice. All bubble teams must be beaten to help our Resume!
 
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Games of interest tonight (3/6):
  • FAU @ North Texas.
    • Go North Texas (1.5 point underdog). FAU projected as one of the last 4 byes. If FAU loses its last couple games going into its conference tournament, FAU likely needs to win their conference tournament to get in. If FAU wins their final couple games, we need FAU to win their conference tournament.
  • TCU @ West Virginia.
    • Go West Virginia (5.5 point underdog). TCU currently projected as one of the last 4 byes.
  • Fresno State @ New Mexico.
    • Go Fresno State (18.5 point underdog). New Mexico projected as one of the last 4 in.
  • Villanova @ Seton Hall.
    • I think we root for Villanova (1.5 point underdog). Both are on the bubble, but it's more likely for Iowa to jump Seton Hall than Villanova.
  • Mississippi State @ Texas A&M.
    • Go Mississippi State (2.5 point underdog). A&M may already be dead, but let's remove doubt.
  • Xavier @ Butler.
    • Go Xavier (2.5 point underdog). Butler may already be dead, but let's remove doubt.
  • Indiana @ Minnesota.
    • Go Minnesota (5.5 favorite). Could move our win @Minnesota into Quad 1, and helps our SOS because we've played Minnesota twice and Indiana once.
  • Northwestern @ Michigan State.
    • Go Michigan State (9.5 point favorite). Northwestern is safe for now, but if they lose @MSU, against Minnesota, and then lose their first BTT game, I think Northwestern would be out. Iowa can also leapfrog Northwestern in the NET.
  • Utah State @ San Jose State.
    • Go San Jose State (10.5 point underdog). Utah State has an odd resume. Lunardi has them as a 6 seed, but some bracketologists have them much closer to the bubble.
 
Games of interest tonight (3/6):
  • FAU @ North Texas.
    • Go North Texas (1.5 point underdog). FAU projected as one of the last 4 byes. If FAU loses its last couple games going into its conference tournament, FAU likely needs to win their conference tournament to get in. If FAU wins their final couple games, we need FAU to win their conference tournament.
  • TCU @ West Virginia.
    • Go West Virginia (5.5 point underdog). TCU currently projected as one of the last 4 byes.
  • Fresno State @ New Mexico.
    • Go Fresno State (18.5 point underdog). New Mexico projected as one of the last 4 in.
  • Villanova @ Seton Hall.
    • I think we root for Villanova (1.5 point underdog). Both are on the bubble, but it's more likely for Iowa to jump Seton Hall than Villanova.
  • Mississippi State @ Texas A&M.
    • Go Mississippi State (2.5 point underdog). A&M may already be dead, but let's remove doubt.
  • Xavier @ Butler.
    • Go Xavier (2.5 point underdog). Butler may already be dead, but let's remove doubt.
  • Indiana @ Minnesota.
    • Go Minnesota (5.5 favorite). Could move our win @Minnesota into Quad 1, and helps our SOS because we've played Minnesota twice and Indiana once.
  • Northwestern @ Michigan State.
    • Go Michigan State (9.5 point favorite). Northwestern is safe for now, but if they lose @MSU, against Minnesota, and then lose their first BTT game, I think Northwestern would be out. Iowa can also leapfrog Northwestern in the NET.
  • Utah State @ San Jose State.
    • Go San Jose State (10.5 point underdog). Utah State has an odd resume. Lunardi has them as a 6 seed, but some bracketologists have them much closer to the bubble.
Beating Illinois at home would be absolutely huge for the Hawks. Based on the results of last night, plus assuming a few of these teams lose tonight, I think they are a lock if they win on Sunday and get one more in the BTT.
 
Want Seton Hall to win vs Villanova, who is more direct competition with Iowa for a spot. We want Villanova to lose as much as possible, so they can get to 14 losses. 14 = tough to get "in", which makes our game vs Illinois so important. Also, a win against the field (Seton Hall) looks better, and most important, could improve our net a little.
 
Are there any mid major conferences we need to keep an eye on? Conferences that might normally get one bid, but could get two if a bid stealer wins the conference tournament and then they get an at-large? The Missouri Valley seems to be one with Drake and Indiana State.
 
Are there any mid major conferences we need to keep an eye on? Conferences that might normally get one bid, but could get two if a bid stealer wins the conference tournament and then they get an at-large? The Missouri Valley seems to be one with Drake and Indiana State.
Sun Belt with James Madison and Appalachian State. App State is currently the 1 seed but would not be an at large. James Madison could end up at 30-4 with a loss to App State in the Sun Belt Tourney.

As for the Missouri Valley, both Drake and Indiana State are on the bubble for at large bids. One scenario would be UNI beating Indiana State on Saturday, then Drake in the championship on Sunday. That means Drake would have beaten top 70 Bradley on Saturday, which would help their resume. If that happens, Drake could still get an at large, though probably as an 11 seeded play-in, like in 2021.
 
Sun Belt with James Madison and Appalachian State. App State is currently the 1 seed but would not be an at large. James Madison could end up at 30-4 with a loss to App State in the Sun Belt Tourney.

As for the Missouri Valley, both Drake and Indiana State are on the bubble for at large bids. One scenario would be UNI beating Indiana State on Saturday, then Drake in the championship on Sunday. That means Drake would have beaten top 70 Bradley on Saturday, which would help their resume. If that happens, Drake could still get an at large, though probably as an 11 seeded play-in, like in 2021.
I think anyone other than Indiana State winning the MVC would be bad for Drake.

Indiana State is gonna get at-large consideration before Drake, and if someone like UNI wins the tournament, then Drake will unfortunately be sol.............
 
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