When you said we are talking about lives versus a sport. If you meant something different than keeping women's ball for women, would cause the loss of life, then please explain.
Caitlin's Popularity Will Never Translate to the WNBA
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When you said we are talking about lives versus a sport. If you meant something different than keeping women's ball for women, would cause the loss of life, then please explain.
I can't speak to the specifics of Iowa's laws (I'm in another state) and you're throwing in a lot of different (but perhaps related) topics. Chances are I'd agree with most of what you're saying. My point is simply a book is not "banned" if you can go out and buy it and read it anytime you want. School curriculum is another issue.
I'm not big on the intentional use of inflammatory terms to shade an argument...even (perhaps especially) if you're on the right side of it. Honest discussions and reasonable compromise are becoming increasingly difficult to find...in no small part because of exaggerated, extreme language.
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Ok, sports are "not a big deal." LOTS of truth to that.
So what is this great danger being placed upon the trans community by upholding a single standard of fairness in ... sports? Why the dire "gun to the head scenarios?"
How many trans are playing sports in Iowa. Much ado about nothing.
Olympic gold medalist Caitlyn Jenner endorses transgender athlete ban in Nassau County
Jenner, who won the 1976 Olympic men's decathlon before coming out as transgender, said the future of sports is at stake.
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There's no one in the world more qualified than Caitlyn to comment on this topic.Olympic gold medalist Caitlyn Jenner endorses transgender athlete ban in Nassau County
Jenner, who won the 1976 Olympic men's decathlon before coming out as transgender, said the future of sports is at stake.
Unless it's plot points of Keeping up with the Kardashians, she's not qualified to discuss anything.
My dad liked anchovies on his pizza. That had nothing to do with his mastery in the fields of advertising and marketing, nor affected his skills as an outstanding cook.
Unless it's plot points of Keeping up with the Kardashians, she's not qualified to discuss anything.
The fact she appears on some moronic reality show or is active in social media activities has nothing to do with these realities:
1) (Then) Bruce Jenner won the Olympic gold medal in the 1976 decathalon. At the time that earned
you the title of the greatest athlete in the world. Even if you disagree with that statement,
Caitlyn has an incredible amount of knowledge about competitive athletics.
2) Caitlyn Jenner is transgendered, which makes her more knowledgable than pretty much
everyone on this site on that topic.
I stand by my statement that Caitlyn has a vast amount of experience in this area to render an opinion.
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Politically immersed people are the worst. Beyond the worst, actually. And no, not everything is political. At least to people who know what really matters in life. And are aware of what they can control.
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A little research revealed that term has been passe for over 5 years. My apologies: "transgender".
Getting this thread back on track, shocker, Caitlin's opener was the most watched WNBA game since 2001. I wonder what the viewership has been for other WNBA games?
www.espn.com.sg
Clark's debut most-watched WNBA game since '01
Caitlin Clark's debut for the Fever was the most-watched WNBA game since 2001 and the most-watched ever on ESPN, drawing 2.1 million viewers across all platforms on Tuesday night.
Answering my question, not great. Even with that massive lead in, the defending champs only drew 464,000 viewers.Getting this thread back on track, shocker, Caitlin's opener was the most watched WNBA game since 2001. I wonder what the viewership has been for other WNBA games?
Clark's debut most-watched WNBA game since '01
Caitlin Clark's debut for the Fever was the most-watched WNBA game since 2001 and the most-watched ever on ESPN, drawing 2.1 million viewers across all platforms on Tuesday night.
Indiana Fever at Connecticut Sun Most-Watched WNBA Game on ESPN Platforms Ever - WNBA
The Indiana Fever at Connecticut Sun season opener was the most-watched WNBA game on ESPN platforms ever (regular season or playoffs).
www.wnba.com
And.... one-ninth the number who watched her last college game. Kind of proves the OPGetting this thread back on track, shocker, Caitlin's opener was the most watched WNBA game since 2001. I wonder what the viewership has been for other WNBA games?
Clark's debut most-watched WNBA game since '01
Caitlin Clark's debut for the Fever was the most-watched WNBA game since 2001 and the most-watched ever on ESPN, drawing 2.1 million viewers across all platforms on Tuesday night.
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Last years season high for the W was 600k. Not great.Getting this thread back on track, shocker, Caitlin's opener was the most watched WNBA game since 2001. I wonder what the viewership has been for other WNBA games?
Clark's debut most-watched WNBA game since '01
Caitlin Clark's debut for the Fever was the most-watched WNBA game since 2001 and the most-watched ever on ESPN, drawing 2.1 million viewers across all platforms on Tuesday night.
NBA will be writing some big checks to cover the charter flights.
Woof.
The games on wnba pay package will bring in much lower numbers.
Woof.
The games on wnba pay package will bring in much lower numbers.
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I don't think that proves anything. The championship game versus a regular season game are apples and oranges. The big matchup with OSU drew 3.39M. So not as popular as big Iowa games during the regular season, but within spitting distance.
Iowa-LSU game wasn't first TV record smashed by Caitlin Clark and the Hawkeyes. See the others
Iowa women's basketball has continually drawn millions of views. Just how many times has the team set record TV ratings?
www.hawkcentral.com
We will see. I think there about 2M viewers baked into Caitlin games, looking at the opener and viewership of the draft. If she struggles, however, that number will likely decline. If she thrives, it will likely go up.
I guess I'm not sure about that, given Caitlin plays well. If that happens, people will find her. The other teams? nope.
She won't continue to struggle; however, once the newness is worn off, numbers will start declining. The numbers will still be much better than they ever had been for the WNBA.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. You could very well be correct.
She'll be a solid WNBA player, maybe an All Star. But that won't be enough to keep all the newbies interested. They jumped in because of the CC phenom from last year's college basketball season. Reading many of the comments (most not very basketball-savvy) they don't realize that that isn't going to continue in the WNBA.
As Tenacious said, once the newness wears off the numbers will settle back down...perhaps a bit higher than before...but not in a huge way. The league will still need NBA money to survive.
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I’m sorry but it feels like you have a (very weird) axe to grind. Like you may be right but it feels like you’re cheering for it. Idk why you’d wanna be right about this or why you might not be at least hopeful for CC to stay in the spotlight (and Iowa, by extension).
I can't help how "it feels" to you.
I have no axe to grind. I enjoyed watching this past season as much as anyone. One of the greatest Hawkeye seasons in any sport with a generational (or more) player that will go down as a legend.
It's just amusing how overboard people go...saying things like she's good enough to be in the NBA, Iowa's team last year is better than a WNBA team and other silly stuff. CC has injected new life into the WNBA like never before and she'll probably be an All Star. Great for her, great for Iowa. If WNBA arenas are all packed 2 years from now I'll eat my words. Just don't see it happening.
Maybe, maybe not
It is not like NBA is going to go broke funneling a few bucks to something they gave an ownership stake in.
There is well over a hundred players in the NBA that makes more per year than the NBA invests in the WNBA.
LOLOLOL
The Indiana Fever regular season opener was the highest watched WNBA game in 23 years. It proves the OP is wrong.
I really wish (now) she would have stayed at Iowa and played in the Olympics and never entertained playing in that league.
She has not said anything to fuel any tensions between Black and White players. However, deals that she has already signed have led to conversations about double-standards in women's pro basketball - even before her WNBA career has officially started.
'I think it's a huge thing. I think a lot of people may say it's not about Black and white, but to me, it is,' Las Vegas Aces star A'ja Wilson said when asked in an interview with the Associated Press about the race element in Clark's popularity and before she recently signed two major endorsement deals.
'It really is because you can be top notch at what you are as a Black woman, but yet maybe that's something that people don't want to see.
'They don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard I work. It doesn't matter what we all do as Black women, we're still going to be swept underneath the rug. That's why it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.'
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She has not said anything to fuel any tensions between Black and White players. However, deals that she has already signed have led to conversations about double-standards in women's pro basketball - even before her WNBA career has officially started.
'I think it's a huge thing. I think a lot of people may say it's not about Black and white, but to me, it is,' Las Vegas Aces star A'ja Wilson said when asked in an interview with the Associated Press about the race element in Clark's popularity and before she recently signed two major endorsement deals.
'It really is because you can be top notch at what you are as a Black woman, but yet maybe that's something that people don't want to see.
'They don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard I work. It doesn't matter what we all do as Black women, we're still going to be swept underneath the rug. That's why it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.'
Caitlin Clark's race 'is a huge thing', claims WNBA star A'ja Wilson
Now Clark, just like NBA Hall of Famer Larry Bird was 45 years ago, is involuntarily the focus of discussions about race and her transition to professional basketball .
If race is an issue in 2024, it would be an issue in 2025. Probably even more so if she stayed in college and started getting even more deals before playing in the W.I really wish (now) she would have stayed at Iowa and played in the Olympics and never entertained playing in that league.
She has not said anything to fuel any tensions between Black and White players. However, deals that she has already signed have led to conversations about double-standards in women's pro basketball - even before her WNBA career has officially started.
'I think it's a huge thing. I think a lot of people may say it's not about Black and white, but to me, it is,' Las Vegas Aces star A'ja Wilson said when asked in an interview with the Associated Press about the race element in Clark's popularity and before she recently signed two major endorsement deals.
'It really is because you can be top notch at what you are as a Black woman, but yet maybe that's something that people don't want to see.
'They don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard I work. It doesn't matter what we all do as Black women, we're still going to be swept underneath the rug. That's why it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.'
Caitlin Clark's race 'is a huge thing', claims WNBA star A'ja Wilson
Now Clark, just like NBA Hall of Famer Larry Bird was 45 years ago, is involuntarily the focus of discussions about race and her transition to professional basketball .
FYI: I'm the OP. The thread title is satirical. At the time, many "experts" were saying her popularity would be limited to the college game. And then I saw Dick Weiss' April 18th post on X saying that there were more Caitlin Clark Indiana Fever jerseys sold in one day than the Dallas Cowboys sold for every player for the entire season. That, to me, proves there would be plenty of interest in her at the WNBA level. If you would have clicked on the article as directed you would have understood.
Sure it was, CCs debut has drawn all kinds of attention. Whether those numbers last or affect the league overall in a sustained way… is a long way from being determined.
Bringing race into the equation is the very worst thing a black player could do. People get so turned off by it. Michael Jordan never mentioned race and only did positive things to enhance his popularity.She has not said anything to fuel any tensions between Black and White players. However, deals that she has already signed have led to conversations about double-standards in women's pro basketball - even before her WNBA career has officially started.
'I think it's a huge thing. I think a lot of people may say it's not about Black and white, but to me, it is,' Las Vegas Aces star A'ja Wilson said when asked in an interview with the Associated Press about the race element in Clark's popularity and before she recently signed two major endorsement deals.
'It really is because you can be top notch at what you are as a Black woman, but yet maybe that's something that people don't want to see.
'They don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard I work. It doesn't matter what we all do as Black women, we're still going to be swept underneath the rug. That's why it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.'
Caitlin Clark's race 'is a huge thing', claims WNBA star A'ja Wilson
Now Clark, just like NBA Hall of Famer Larry Bird was 45 years ago, is involuntarily the focus of discussions about race and her transition to professional basketball .
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I doubt a single black woman in the WNBA is turned off by it. Their black fans don't get turned off by it either. ISTG people on this site have never been around black people -- like they don't believe representation and equity matter. And we wonder why Iowa fans get such a bad rap.
Your hubris is topped only by your desire to be the TMZ for gay Iowa athletes.
Making a lot of leaps there. I'm not big on throwing people into broad groups by skin color or any other identifier...and speaking for them as you've done. I have friends of all colors and backgrounds...I'd never insult them by doing that. They can speak for themselves.
Clark's situation is unique...there's never been a player come out of college bball with so much hype. It might have a little something to do with all the eyes she drew over the last year as she chased the record and threw up Stephen Curry-distance shots. Of course they're marketing the shit out of her...she's been the hottest personality in sports.
I'm sure Wilson is driven by the same thing as Taurasi (who's not black)... frustration that their league has struggled for years and suddenly this kid comes in and gets all the attention.
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