Kerk over Cass is pretty big. Especially if Kerk becomes a finalist and Cass does not.
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Kerk over Cass is pretty big. Especially if Kerk becomes a finalist and Cass does not.
The rule needs to be changed about running someone out of bounds. If they get to a position that the only thing you can do is run them out of bounds, it should be stalling at the least or fleeing. I believe the rule says it is stalling, but it needs to be called.
Fair point, but lil KerKin was already ranked higher and the points used currently for team scoring have that factored in. Match was close, and tactics used by the lil GerKin questionable. He will not get away with it again! So this rivalry is far from done!!!
Brands needs to figure out a way to keep a line up healthy by March. Screw the regular season, nobody remembers them.
He can't figure out how to keep a team healthy to even start a season.
And how ironic that Woods and Teske transfer in, then boom, on the injury list.
Exactly! How dare he take him down 3 times. Totally unfair to take your opponent down when he wasn’t totally ready!!!! How many takedowns did Cass have?
Would be great if the F*** st fans actually knew something about wrestling! I mean how does the state have great HS wrestle, yet just about all of you who come over here know just about nothing?
Try watching the match, was close, lil KerKin had 2 takedowns Big Cass had a reversal and some escapes; Till late when Big C had to attempt something. The F*** st wrestlers are using the same stall formula up and down the line up. Good for them(bad for wrestling) as the dumb refs will not call the stall ride!
Add in a choke and it will not go down that way again and you can bank on it!
We’re going to have to get over the “stall formula“ and “stall ride” as an excuse for Tom and co.
Kerk scored 3 freaking takedowns. That ain’t stalling. And the ride? Until they either change the rule that you have to actually attempt to turn, or get rid of riding time, it needs to be coached against better.
I agree to a degree.
Kerkvliet had two clean takedowns of his own initiative, where his thumb block to Big Tony's collarbone may've slightly misses its mark. He can improve on that. Kerkvliet did get one TD late after stuffing Big Tony's shot using some pretty outstanding defense, wrestling through the position.
I admire how Big Tony worked his way out of the ride getting 3 points late in periods via escape and reversal. But with a little better/smarter ride, these 3 points could become 1 or zero points. Again, something Kerkvliet can improve.
However, I tend to doubt Kerkvliet will be that committed to riding Big Tony on January 27th. I think the ride was something to work on that also allowed Kerkvliet to show fewer of his attacks. So I believe there's no real need to worry about the stall ride going forward.
I disagree, PSU wrestlers have a proven history repetition until their opponents can stop it. As a coach I'd definitely use it to secure riding time if Cass can't stop or escape it.
I still think Shultz out west is the worst match up for most heavies.
Schultz will not see any of the top 3 this season until semis in tulsa.
Secure riding time in small chunks after take downs--yes, I think so. To try to keep for a 1 pt advantage in short-time--yes, I think so. To commit to for over 2 minutes or in any position risking a reversal (vs cutting), thereby reducing his chance for a major--no, I don't think so.
But you may be right. Hopefully, we'll eventually see.
It is not only Lil KerKIn doing the overlay. It is the entire team now! Again if some of you knew wrestling, you would know why it is called RIDING! You would know where the term came from, how the rules worked, and maybe even why the rules changed!
I can tell you, some of the "old timers" could ride you all day like an old horse ride in front of the local grocery store. It was taught, and the near ankle over lay was one of the techniques. Was no stalling, you could sit on an ankle and hold a guy till the cows came home.
The rules were changed because of this. Makes for some really boring wrestling too. Now, somehow, we are coming full circle. Problem is, and you would not know this either, matches were much longer! guys had much more time to try and get out. So now, get a TD, and hold on, plus you may earn a point for doing nothing more then stalling!??!!?!
I will give you the part where if it is not called or a rule change(rule is already in place)Then why not. The lil GerKin got his 1st 2 TDs in part with another, I will call it SHADY tactic. He should have been warned, and then hit if he did it again, yet nothing?
ALL this being said, I put it ALL on Big Cass! He has to do a much better job and should! I will add that our WHOLE team except LEE falls into this category. Start making adjustments, start doing a few little things different, add a few new tricks, figure sh*t out!!!
As far as the clone guy, who in hell R U, and where in hell did you crawl out from?
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It’ll be interesting to see if other guys use the thumb to the throat. Will it go on as long as the thumb to the eye before a change takes place. if there isn’t a rule against it, then it continues. Perhaps it was learned from international competition?
It’s just plain dirty but it seems to be working.
It’s just plain dirty but it seems to be working.
Schultz and Mason are both scheduled to be at Cliff Keen Vegas next week
But Schultz will default out to protect his #1 seed.
As far as the Hawks beating psu yes it’s possible but highly unlikely. Need to adjust a few things for sure. It’s obvious that they watch a ton a film and spend a lot of time of what to expect from our guys. I actually like that Warner and Cass got beat. Not really worried about either one down the road. Maybe they are working more toward peaking in March. One thing to remember both of them just wrestled the Thursday and Friday before. Their opponents were a little fresher so to speak. No matter what happens I still will cheer for our guys and hope for the best.
TnT need to get serious about bringing in an upper weight to HWC. Give Cox some cash.
1. Never going to happen. No one wants to train at HWC. We need to prove it with success from our own ranks.
2. Do what we did this weekend. Remember when Tom got hired and said he wanted to wrestle aliens or some shit? That we recruit guys who want to win world and Olympic titles?
Well, time to start acting like it. The guys that graduated need to be treated like pro athletes. Train, travel, compete, rinse, repeat. The Farrell was a great sight to see. Just need more of it. Lee, Warner, woods, Assad, Cass should all be a part of the next 6 year cycle.
It can’t be, as Gilman called it, ‘a jobs program’
What tactics were questionable? Taking Cass down 3 times and getting 2 minutes of riding time?
Guess you guys don’t like tough wrestling.
I'm with you, I think Cael found something and he's going to improve it so Kerk can ride out Tony. They will go over the mistake that caused the reversal and fix it.
Cael, love him or hate him he is a master tactician. These guys improve every year.
You can see their freaking game plan in the matches.
Ironbird, you drive me absolutely insane, but you're spot on about the riding. I've been screaming about it for years. and with the ankle trapped...forget about it.
Look at the NLWC room. Scary, its no wonder they are where they are. They are like a Russian club or something. Lol
I'm a Hawk through and through but you can't deny what's going on there.
They have current and potential World Champions lined up.
We have Spencer.
www.nittanylionwrestlingclub.com
I'm a Hawk through and through but you can't deny what's going on there.
They have current and potential World Champions lined up.
We have Spencer.
Resident Athlete Program | Nittany Lion Wrestling Club
Resident Athlete Program.
www.nittanylionwrestlingclub.com
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If we can't get Cox, need to look around for some international wrestlers now living in the US. Gotta improve the club somehow with better training partners.
Look at the NLWC room. Scary, its no wonder they are where they are. They are like a Russian club or something. Lol
I'm a Hawk through and through but you can't deny what's going on there.
They have current and potential World Champions lined up.
We have Spencer.
Resident Athlete Program | Nittany Lion Wrestling Club
Resident Athlete Program.
Had Iowa spent less money on the facility, might they have had more money to attract top athletes?
The problem with most clubs and RTC's is they are usually THAT university graduate program only. NLWC is taking anyone they think can compete. Money helps, but a competitive room and now medal count is the big draw ATM.
So it's going to be war to compete, we will need more that Iowa grads to do that.
You are sort of making my point. It’s going to
take more than a rich history and a nice facility going forward.
Obviously a lot of private funding went to the facility. Rather than spending $25 million+ on a new facility, should the fundraising went $15 million for the facility, and $10 million for the HWC?
That would have given Iowa the nicest facility, and the top funded wrestling club.
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You're mixing apples and oranges. The school got the dough for the facility and HWC is a completely separate entity. BTW the costs for the facility went way up to accommodate women. We had to have the facility to compete, at whatever cost.
You then have to get the HS guys to come with the facility and other support.
Next is HWC. I'm not totally versed in exactly how much they bring in each year, but it is increasing. It is not on par with NLWC, and can't pay to bring in top talent. HWC needs more donations to put it on par with NLWC, and the other piece are the endorsements those guys get. Chicken and egg there. Gotta do well to get the jack, but there could be some support from businesses for our present guys to help out.
Lastly, the school will let HWC train on their property. However, little else can occur. Have you ever seen a sign in Carver promoting HWC or those athletes handing out HWC material at meets? No, That's because the school won't allow it.
Tom worked his ass off to get donations for the facility. He too does all he can for HWC donations. We all just need to keep supporting HWC with jack so that it has the means to draw in talent apart from Grads. From what I know, it presently does not have that kind of dough.
I’m not mixing apples and oranges. I realize the school is separate from the HWC. The point I was making is that if the Iowa faithful are raising funds, they probably want to maximize the benefit to Iowa wrestling.
Iowa raised more than $25 million from 225 private donors:
Donations for Hawkeyes’ wrestling facility tops $25M
IOWA CITY — Iowa’s fund-raising campaign for a new wrestling training facility next to Carver-Hawkeye Arena has gone past the $25 million mark, the athletic department announced Wednesday. Since launching the Carver Circle campaign nearly two years ago, a total of 225 supporters have...
When it’s all said and done, Iowa will have a gorgeous facility. But the HWC will still be underfunded.
Wrong. The HWC will be fully funded. It won’t happen overnight but it will happen.I’m not mixing apples and oranges. I realize the school is separate from the HWC. The point I was making is that if the Iowa faithful are raising funds, they probably want to maximize the benefit to Iowa wrestling.
Iowa raised more than $25 million from 225 private donors:
Donations for Hawkeyes’ wrestling facility tops $25M
IOWA CITY — Iowa’s fund-raising campaign for a new wrestling training facility next to Carver-Hawkeye Arena has gone past the $25 million mark, the athletic department announced Wednesday. Since launching the Carver Circle campaign nearly two years ago, a total of 225 supporters have...www.timesrepublican.com
When it’s all said and done, Iowa will have a gorgeous facility. But the HWC will still be underfunded.
The facility had to be done, and we weren’t going to do a half-assed job, thanks in large part to bnicolls. We were only going to do it right. Now, the HWC endowment campaign is underway. Millions have already been raised. It will happen ASAP.
^^Precisely why I raised the question in the off season about whether HWC was paying Marinelli to “possibly compete” for the club.
HWC, $1.3M in revenue in 2020
www.causeiq.com
NLWC, $1.48M in revenue in 2020
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actually that’s a lot closer than I thought it was going to be.
spending and assets are quite a bit higher at NLWC.
Hawkeye Wrestling Club | Iowa City, IA | Cause IQ
Since its inception in 1973 the focus of Hawkeye Wrestling Club has always been to provide the training, coaching and resources necessary to help our athletes pursue their dreams of becoming world and olympic champions. The money raised goes directly ...
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NLWC, $1.48M in revenue in 2020
Nittany Lion Wrestling Club (NLWC) | State College, PA | Cause IQ
The Nittany Lion Wrestling Club's (NLWC) goal is to be the premier wrestling club in the United States. Based on the results of the past two years, the NLWC is well on its way to achieving this goal.
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actually that’s a lot closer than I thought it was going to be.
spending and assets are quite a bit higher at NLWC.
