I truly don't think you really want to po all the hicks in iowa and country. They are likely to clean your plow😮
Can kneeling during the anthem be bad for black student athletes???
- Thread starter iowahaha1
- Start date
I truly don't think you really want to po all the hicks in iowa and country. They are likely to clean your plow😮
So they have free speech, but you'd prefer it be stuff that you approve of and find worthwhile.
Cool. Obviously, you have your own freedom and can support them or not.
The black players should just stay quiet and follow th ewhite players lead. Right?
ah, no. If they get good grades in their chosen field, no one, really no one in our organization of 5000+ (or many others) would be asked what they did for a couple of minutes before a fb scrimmage. What would count is perseverance, dedication and academic achievement they put on a resume.
Let's ask this another way - does it hurt the job prospects of the fat asses out here that took a leak, grabbed a beer, or sat in their easy chair during the national anthem rather than standing at attention?
Your method highlights a rather large issue at the moment. A viewpoint is given, and the replies are simple insults, as opposed to valid counterpoints. This occurs regardless of political lean, and begs the question, "Are this many people incapable of intelligent debate?" In your case, the answer is not yet clear, but it's certainly not looking favorable.
When I kneel in church it is to disrespect God. When I kneel on th efield when another player gets injured, it's to show disrespect for that person.
You failed to address the main theme of my point; what is the point of kneeling? What purpose does it serve? What issue does it shed light on, that isn't already well known?
When this is one of the original statements, "No, they absolutely do it to disrespect the country, the flag, and the military. "
There is really no counterpoint that is going to be "valid." They original comment has already ignored everything that has been debated for the last 10 years.
If who wasn't a drug dealing criminal?
The boyfriend? He didn't live there and his name wasn't on the search warrant. He wasn't a drug dealer. He was a guy that worked a handful of jobs and was supposed to start a job working for the post office not long after the shooting occurred.
Yes, it appears that she used to date a guy that dealt drugs. But that isn't an excuse to bust down her door when that guy was dealing drugs 10 miles away on the other side of town and wasn't with her anymore. Heck the prosecutor tried to give that guy a plea deal to reduce his drug dealing charges if he testified that she was helping him deal drugs. He refused.
I think you people defending the police need to read up on the facts of this case and others. Maybe you'll understand why so many people are upset. You can start with the Wikipedia article here:
Killing of Breonna Taylor - Wikipedia
I didn't write that. You're quoting someone else's post. Perhaps take a moment to relax and follow the actual thread?
The point of kneeling is the point that anyone in sports who has been kneeling over the past few years.
Your last point "that isn't already well known" is ridiculous. If that were a qualifier for free speech, we'd have given up on pro-life/pro-choice protests 40 years ago, along with a whole host of other things.
The point is that it's their speech to use how they see fit. I'm not interested in arguing whether their protest is worthwhile, I'm on the side one defending their right to do it.
First of all, I find it hard to believe you go to church, anyway, you know the difference, don't play dumb
Actually read my comment. I didn't say you made the comment. I was giving an example of a comment that no matter how valid of a counterpoint is given it won't matter.
If who wasn't a drug dealing criminal?
The boyfriend? He didn't live there and his name wasn't on the search warrant. He wasn't a drug dealer. He was a guy that worked a handful of jobs and was supposed to start a job working for the post office not long after the shooting occurred.
Yes, it appears that she used to date a guy that dealt drugs. But that isn't an excuse to bust down her door when that guy was dealing drugs 10 miles away on the other side of town and wasn't with her anymore. Heck the prosecutor tried to give that guy a plea deal to reduce his drug dealing charges if he testified that she was helping him deal drugs. He refused.
I think you people defending the police need to read up on the facts of this case and others. Maybe you'll understand why so many people are upset. You can start with the Wikipedia article here:
Killing of Breonna Taylor - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
My ultimate beef in most of these cases is that the event was caused by bad police policy or bad police work. Warrants executed in the dark of night for all but the most time-critical investigations of the most egregious crimes put police in a position to fail, regardless of who is inside. In the Taylor case, they're asleep. There seem to be mixed reviews on whether/how loudly the police announced themselves, but if the police wake me in the middle of the night by pounding on my front door and then bust in, I'm not confident that I'd process that they're cops. At the point that they entered, they were set up to fail -- the boyfriend had a gun and used it for self defense (I don't own a gun, but if someone busts into my house and reality is fuzzy because I just woke up and adrenaline is racing, I'm probably grabbing a bat). Then the cops are being shot at and of course will return fire......and yet one of the officer shoots into another apartment next door. Whether Taylor and her BF were white or black, things did not have to go down that way.
I haven't taken issue with anyone's right to protest, but I have yet to have anyone point out a positive outcome, directly resulting from this form of protest. If it hasn't made any positive changes, and has caused what many believe is more divide, then I believe the motive is worth questioning. You still haven't stated exactly what kneeling as a form of protest, is supposed to accomplish.
I did read your comment, and using someone else's take to invalidate my point, is intellectually irresponsible.
It's not my protest and I don't believe that demonstrative positive changes are a key component to protest. Even saying "positive" outcome is loaded, what's positive to some is negative to others.
Your first sentence is absolutely false. It's never the crimals fault is it? Typical liberal thinking
I find your viewpoint to be disingenuous and dismissive, but I respect it regardless.
Oh so your pi$$ed because you don't see a shitload of Joey signs in trucks. And they didn't try to run the bus off the road. Try again.
The her boyfriend was a law abiding citizen and a legal gun owner. Zero evidence he was involved in the drug trade.
The woman who was killed and her boyfriend were not criminals. The cops tried to make him a criminal after the fact by claiming he attempted to murder the cops, but all charges have been dropped to date.
Once again, where is the criminal in this situation? Aside from possibly the cop that was charged with blindly firing his gun 10 times into the apartment next door. Remember that in this country you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Just because a cop knocks on, or in this case busts down, someone's door doesn't make them a criminal.
His first sentence is absolutely valid. In this case there was shitty police work done. On top of that the judge issued a warrant with bad police work backing up the warrant.
I'll put it this way, imagine a drug dealer lists his place of residence as your address in order to conceal his identity. The cops do shitty police work based off of that to get a warrant and bust down your door at night. Does this make you a criminal? What if the cops shoot your significant other? Are you a criminal then? Is it your fault that all of this occured?
Nobody in that apartment was a criminal. Bad police work led investigators to execute that warrant to try and find her ex-boyfriend who she hadn't been involved with for months. That isn't disputable.
Disingenuous? Fine. We can agree to disagree. I'm not arguing their perspective because I'm not invested in it. I'd be a bad advocate. That said, I don't care that they do it. I watch Iowa football because it's Iowa football, not because the players that play it stand or don't stand for particular issues.
Fan since the 80s - add me the camp who feels very little interest this year. Perhaps my interest will pick back up maybe next year or the year after that... Who knows - But seeing the Marxist BLM slogan on a few hawkeye helmets really did it for me.
And the Doyle fiasco - give me a fricking break. A hardass is exactly what a lot of these kids need, but let's go ahead and just fire the guy. Meanwhile, players walking around calling each other the n-word all day every day and that's a fact, Jack.
Good luck to the group, but I honestly couldn't really care less if this team wins or loses.
And the Doyle fiasco - give me a fricking break. A hardass is exactly what a lot of these kids need, but let's go ahead and just fire the guy. Meanwhile, players walking around calling each other the n-word all day every day and that's a fact, Jack.
Good luck to the group, but I honestly couldn't really care less if this team wins or loses.
If you believe my first sentence to be false, then you believe that the police loudly announced themselves such that a man who had been sleeping has full wits about him and decided to go shoot at a cop.
I don't mind that they execute the warrant. I'm not even convinced that the police themselves did anything specifically bad. I think the police policy allowing a middle-of-the-night warrant execution for street drug-related crimes is an invitation for problems. Heck, in this case, the warrant was related to alleged crimes by someone else not known to be in the apartment. Again, the warrant can still be legitimate, but I'd question how essential it was to execute that warrant in the middle of the night when people are sleeping.
If there's any chance that an announced forced entry might not be fully heard or processed, you are putting your officers into harm's way and putting them in the position where they have to fire back. It's terrible police policy.
That's fair, and I appreciate the intelligent exchange. I wish you well.
I'm sorry, I find kneeling for the anthem is lazy. (People just copying a communist sympathizer who wasn't a great football player either) The argument used to support it is that it's free speech which is correct, but so what? Kneeling for the anthem is essentially saying America is bad, awful and I refuse to stand for a song supporting it. Even if you believe there have been bad police shootings, are you also saying America is all badl? We are the best hope against dictators and communists all over the world. America is the biggest supplier of food medicine, and aid in general of any country in the world. We defended Europe in 2 world wars even though we could have sat them out. People by the millions risk their lives to get here legally or illegally. In my opinion I think standing for the anthem is a better example of free speech.
You're right its not a valid excuse, but to say this shouldn't be a lesson to the youth,"careful who you associate with" then I strongly disagree!If who wasn't a drug dealing criminal?
The boyfriend? He didn't live there and his name wasn't on the search warrant. He wasn't a drug dealer. He was a guy that worked a handful of jobs and was supposed to start a job working for the post office not long after the shooting occurred.
Yes, it appears that she used to date a guy that dealt drugs. But that isn't an excuse to bust down her door when that guy was dealing drugs 10 miles away on the other side of town and wasn't with her anymore. Heck the prosecutor tried to give that guy a plea deal to reduce his drug dealing charges if he testified that she was helping him deal drugs. He refused.
I think you people defending the police need to read up on the facts of this case and others. Maybe you'll understand why so many people are upset. You can start with the Wikipedia article here:
Killing of Breonna Taylor - Wikipedia
You people? One of many double standards in this country lol
BTW you people that hate cops need to pull your head out your asses. Why blame the cops? You think everyone there wrote up the paperwork and decide where to raid? Take the blame above the "employee" level to the ones making the orders! That's what needs changed smh
That's exactly what I argued earlier in this thread. Having those officers execute a warrant in the middle of the night endangered all involved. The script could have just as easily been reversed with the guy shooting from the bedroom shooting the officer. That scenario brings huge risk and, IMHO, should only be used in the most dire of circumstances (someone physically in danger, for instance). Their leadership put them in a position of huge risk where their likelihood of a bad outcome was high.
That's not on those officers, but it is on the police leadership.
Unfortunately you are correct. The "woke" victimhood mentality is rampant and keeping the country from being a leader. I fear for the future two generations from now, they are hurt by words and hashtags... what are they going to do when someone decides to get physical? I guess they will curl up and become West France.
The players have the right to kneel, we have the right to move on and spend quality time with our families and friends and not support such BS.
If they want true oppression\racism, move to the country they name themselves after and experience true, unadulterated oppression\racism.
If they want true oppression\racism, move to the country they name themselves after and experience true, unadulterated oppression\racism.
You can't comprehend simple English can ya? Your orange leader condoned his goobers when they tried to run a Biden bus off the road. As usual, he showed how f'n sick he is. I would say try again but you don't have the intelligence to do so. GTFO
