Can someone give me a specific example of a situation where a DEI hire

[BlIIlken2]

Was held to lower qualifications and/or training?

Sounds more like a legacy nepo baby issue.

I know in aviation, hiring from a larger pool of diverse candidates everyone is still hired and trained to the exact same ****ing standards.

 

[Doodads and Hoohah]

Was held to lower qualifications and/or training?

Sounds more like a legacy nepo baby issue.

I know in aviation, hiring from a larger pool of diverse candidates everyone is still hired and trained to the exact same ****ing standards.

No. No one does but MAGA says it so it must be happening all over the place.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

I work for a university. I do not see lower training standards. I do see all people being held to lower standards, but especially females.

In industry where I have a dual career, lot's of cronies type stuff.

Stupidity abounds in both sectors.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

FAA embroiled in lawsuit alleging it turned away 1,000 applicants based on race — that contributed to staffing woes​

FAA embroiled in lawsuit alleging it turned away 1,000 applicants based on race — that contributed to staffing woes

Complaints about the FAA’s hiring policies resurfaced after the American Airlines passenger plane and a Black Hawk helicopter crashed in Washington, DC.

nypost.com

 

[BlIIlken2]

I work for a university. I do not see lower training standards. I do see all people being held to lower standards, but especially females.

In industry where I have a dual career, lot's of cronies type stuff.

Stupidity abounds in both sectors.

As in they’re hired unqualified or **** up
and should be fired?

I only ask because it can also be viewed from bias. “Oh well of course she ****ed it up, she is a woman.”

 

[BlIIlken2]

FAA embroiled in lawsuit alleging it turned away 1,000 applicants based on race — that contributed to staffing woes​

FAA embroiled in lawsuit alleging it turned away 1,000 applicants based on race — that contributed to staffing woes

Complaints about the FAA’s hiring policies resurfaced after the American Airlines passenger plane and a Black Hawk helicopter crashed in Washington, DC.

nypost.com

Bitter white males. Do some research into how many white males make up ATC. Also, it didn’t lower the qualifications or training standards. They must weren’t white. I guess that’s a needed qualification in your eyes? Thousands of white males are hired all the time into atc. Not going to cry foul because some didn’t get hired.

Also not reading the nypost.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Bitter white males. Do some research into how many white males make up ATC. Also, it didn’t lower the qualifications or training standards. They must weren’t white. I guess that’s a needed qualification in your eyes? Thousands of white males are hired all the time into atc. Not going to cry foul because some didn’t get hired.

Also not reading the nypost.

The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.

Brigida, who is white, alleges he was discriminated against solely based on his race when his application was rejected, court papers state.

The would-be air traffic controller, who graduated from Arizona State University’s collegiate training initiative in 2013, was turned down for a job even though he had scored 100% on his training exam, the lawsuit alleges.

 

[BlIIlken2]

The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.

Brigida, who is white, alleges he was discriminated against solely based on his race when his application was rejected, court papers state.

The would-be air traffic controller, who graduated from Arizona State University’s collegiate training initiative in 2013, was turned down for a job even though he had scored 100% on his training exam, the lawsuit alleges.

What about the candidate that was hired instead? Or maybe they didn’t need him at that time? It’s not what you think it is, guaranteed. Also I laugh at the idea a white person claims discrimination. Especially in an industry like that.

 

[Ferentz_Fan]

They can’t handle that DT was probably right.

 

[BlIIlken2]

Northern, or whoever else wants to chime in. Let’s say you have 2 candidates for a job. Their resumes/qualifications/experience are EXACTLY identical, they exceed hiring qualifications. In fact they’re essentially the same person. Except one is a white male and one is a black woman. The company you’re hiring for has a demographic of 96% white and 75% male.

Who are you going to hire?

 

[Scruddy]

Harvard university, claudine gay.

Easy thread topic is easy.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

If an agency is in fact engaging in racial preference hiring (awful to the core by the way), would it really be such a stretch to cast suspicion over their integrity in upholding training standards?

In such a scenario where racial hiring preferences were exposed, that agency would be tipping their hat on their preferred outcomes.

 

[General Tso]

Was held to lower qualifications and/or training?

Sounds more like a legacy nepo baby issue.

I know in aviation, hiring from a larger pool of diverse candidates everyone is still hired and trained to the exact same ****ing standards.

The much more frequent scenario I've seen is daddy of silver spoon white kid gets his kid a job through his connections vs the kid fending for him/herself.

 

[BlIIlken2]

If an agency is in fact engaging in racial preference hiring (awful to the core by the way), would it really be such a stretch to cast suspicion over their integrity in upholding training standards?

In such a scenario where racial hiring preferences were exposed, that agency would be tipping their hat on their preferred outcomes.

All DEI does is give those without the chance to get an interview, get an interview. You make your qualified base larger. Otherwise you’re just hiring from the same old standard stale white cracker institutions.

 

[BlIIlken2]

The much more frequent scenario I've seen is daddy if silver spoon white kid gets his kid a job through his connections vs the kid feeding for him/herself.

Exactly why the yuppies are screaming foul about DEI. Oh knows Chad can’t get the job after doing cocaine lines and sexual assaulting coeds through college because some brown person worked the night shift paying their way through school got the job.

So ****ing sick of the falsehood fears spewed throughout this country by elected officials. Their brainless mouth breathing cult laps it up. It was the same shit with Covid masks. Everything is made into a political issue.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Northern, or whoever else wants to chime in. Let’s say you have 2 candidates for a job. Their resumes/qualifications/experience are EXACTLY identical, they exceed hiring qualifications. In fact they’re essentially the same person. Except one is a white male and one is a black woman. The company you’re hiring for has a demographic of 96% white and 75% male.

Who are you going to hire?

Which one do I want to work with more?




Not sure if this is exactly what you are asking for but we had a guy in a similar role to mine that was super overweight, white dude fwiw, part of our job was traveling and office visits. It was one of those deals where he basically said "fire me then" but at the end of the day he didn't have to go on visits, which is ****ed because the actual shittiest part of my job was knowing any kind of moving violation could end my career. No drive/ no risk.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

All DEI does is give those without the chance to get an interview, get an interview. You make your qualified base larger. Otherwise you’re just hiring from the same old standard stale white cracker institutions.

You sound like a racist person with a disdain for whites.

 

[BlIIlken2]

You sound like a racist person with a disdain for whites.

I think there is a certain sector of white people that ruin it for the rest of us with their snowflake attitudes.

FWIW I don’t think unqualified candidates with diverse backgrounds should be hired in lieu of qualified candidates. THAT IS NOT DEI.

 

[Scruddy]

All DEI does is give those without the chance to get an interview, get an interview. You make your qualified base larger. Otherwise you’re just hiring from the same old standard stale white cracker institutions.

Totally wrong per usual lol

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You sound like a racist person with a disdain for whites.

Just some "whites".

 

[RileyHawk]

You sound like a racist person with a disdain for whites.

Why won't you answer his question?

 

[Scott559]

FAA embroiled in lawsuit alleging it turned away 1,000 applicants based on race — that contributed to staffing woes​

FAA embroiled in lawsuit alleging it turned away 1,000 applicants based on race — that contributed to staffing woes

Complaints about the FAA’s hiring policies resurfaced after the American Airlines passenger plane and a Black Hawk helicopter crashed in Washington, DC.

nypost.com

Seems Trump could have done something to fix this in his first term, Instead his FAA lawyers fought the lawsuit.

From the article,

During President Trump’s first term, Federal Transportation Department lawyers argued to toss Brigida’s case, saying deciding to open up applications to more diverse candidates isn’t legitimate grounds for a discrimination suit.

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act bars employers from discriminating “based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin.”

Yet “an employer’s decision to broaden the pool of potential applicants between rounds of hiring is not a personnel action cognizable under Title VII,” the government wrote in a November 2020 motion.

The government added that Brigida can’t claim discrimination just because the new system no longer benefits him.

“Title VII protects equal treatment, not preferential treatment,” officials wrote.

“Accordingly, even if Plaintiffs would have had an advantage if they applied under the old hiring process, Title VII does not give them a claim to seek to preserve that advantage. Instead, Plaintiffs must show that the hiring process in which they actually participated discriminated against them on the basis of some protected characteristic.”

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[ClarindaA's]

Was held to lower qualifications and/or training?

Sounds more like a legacy nepo baby issue.

I know in aviation, hiring from a larger pool of diverse candidates everyone is still hired and trained to the exact same ****ing standards.

The police recruits in South Carolina who couldn’t pass a simple math test

 

[BlIIlken2]

The police recruits in South Carolina who couldn’t pass a simple math test

Source?

 

[ClarindaA's]

Source?

Wrong state and profession, it was off the top of my head https://www.firerescue1.com/legal/n...intentionally-discriminatory-firefighter-test

State Police agree to pay $2.75 million to settle federal probe of discriminatory hiring - Maryland Matters

The Maryland State Police agreed to change the way it tests recruits and said it will pay $2.75 million to 48 women and Black applicants who were turned down for trooper jobs after they failed recruiting tests that were deemed discriminatory.

marylandmatters.org

Google Search

 

[ClarindaA's]

Click on the google search, the bar exam no longer used in the state of Washington

 

[BlIIlken2]

Wrong state and profession, it was off the top of my head https://www.firerescue1.com/legal/n...intentionally-discriminatory-firefighter-test

State Police agree to pay $2.75 million to settle federal probe of discriminatory hiring - Maryland Matters

The Maryland State Police agreed to change the way it tests recruits and said it will pay $2.75 million to 48 women and Black applicants who were turned down for trooper jobs after they failed recruiting tests that were deemed discriminatory.

marylandmatters.org

Google Search

I found a legitimate source not With factual basis not opinion

Justice Department Sues South Bend, Indiana, for Discriminating Against Black and Female Police Officer Applicants

The Justice Department filed a lawsuit today against the City of South Bend, Indiana, alleging that the hiring process for entry-level police officers at the South Bend Police Department (SBPD) violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Specifically, the department alleges that South Bend uses...

www.justice.gov

I don’t see an issue here if actual discrimination was found.

“
Filed in the Northern District of Indiana, the lawsuit alleges that, since at least 2016, South Bend has used a written examination that has disproportionately excluded Black applicants and a physical fitness test that has disproportionately excluded female applicants from consideration for police officer positions. The complaint asserts that South Bend’s uses of these tests are neither job related nor consistent with business necessity, and thus, violate Title VII.

The Justice Department is seeking a court order to ensure that South Bend uses only lawful tests in its entry-level police officer hiring process. The department also seeks relief for Black and female applicants disqualified by the challenged tests, including back pay and, for those who can successfully complete the new lawful selection process, job offers with retroactive seniority.”

 

[ClarindaA's]

I found a legitimate source not With factual basis not opinion

Justice Department Sues South Bend, Indiana, for Discriminating Against Black and Female Police Officer Applicants

The Justice Department filed a lawsuit today against the City of South Bend, Indiana, alleging that the hiring process for entry-level police officers at the South Bend Police Department (SBPD) violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Specifically, the department alleges that South Bend uses...

www.justice.gov

I don’t see an issue here if actual discrimination was found.

“
Filed in the Northern District of Indiana, the lawsuit alleges that, since at least 2016, South Bend has used a written examination that has disproportionately excluded Black applicants and a physical fitness test that has disproportionately excluded female applicants from consideration for police officer positions. The complaint asserts that South Bend’s uses of these tests are neither job related nor consistent with business necessity, and thus, violate Title VII.

The Justice Department is seeking a court order to ensure that South Bend uses only lawful tests in its entry-level police officer hiring process. The department also seeks relief for Black and female applicants disqualified by the challenged tests, including back pay and, for those who can successfully complete the new lawful selection process, job offers with retroactive seniority.”

So basic tests that apparently whitey can pass at a higher rate, means it’s valid? Tell you what. They need to lower the standards for the NBA and NFL. Even though genetically blacks have an advantage, we can equalize that. Same thing with IQ right? The research is there, but we better not have equal opportunity, but rather equity and equal outcome. You also think the justice department, as the plaintiff, is unbiased?

 

[ISUBryce]

Was held to lower qualifications and/or training?

Sounds more like a legacy nepo baby issue.

I know in aviation, hiring from a larger pool of diverse candidates everyone is still hired and trained to the exact same ****ing standards.

Better example would be somebody hired for their looks and is totally unqualified, which happens all the time, such as many of the women in trumps orbit.

 

[BGHAWK]

If a white person and a black person apply for a job and the black person is selected, republicans immediately think the black was less qualified.

 

[ClarindaA's]

If a white person and a black person apply for a job and the black person is selected, republicans immediately think the black was less qualified.

When you see the bar exam no longer being used in Washington due ton not eight blacks passing it…what’s that say to most people

 

[BlIIlken2]

When you see the bar exam no longer being used in Washington due ton not eight blacks passing it…what’s that say to most people

I disagree with that. But also not the point of DEI.

 

[ClarindaA's]

I disagree with that. But also not the point of DEI.

The lawsuits over testing and qualifications gets confused with DEI. Read the book Race over merit, just three chapters

 

[BlIIlken2]

The lawsuits over testing and qualifications gets confused with DEI. Read the book Race over merit, just three chapters

I am against lowering of standards and qualifications based on background. (This isn’t the large scale issue that some want to make it out to be)

I am for offering opportunity to those who otherwise wouldn’t have it based on their background. The purpose of DEI. Diversity, equality and inclusion. It’s simple.

If we go back to the old hiring practices it’s going to look like the 1950s in the workplace again. But I guess 50% of America wants that?

 

[General Tso]

Exactly why the yuppies are screaming foul about DEI. Oh knows Chad can’t get the job after doing cocaine lines and sexual assaulting coeds through college because some brown person worked the night shift paying their way through school got the job.

So ****ing sick of the falsehood fears spewed throughout this country by elected officials. Their brainless mouth breathing cult laps it up. It was the same shit with Covid masks. Everything is made into a political issue.

Exactly

 

[ClarindaA's]

I am against lowering of standards and qualifications based on background. (This isn’t the large scale issue that some want to make it out to be)

I am for offering opportunity to those who otherwise wouldn’t have it based on their background. The purpose of DEI. Diversity, equality and inclusion. It’s simple.

If we go back to the old hiring practices it’s going to look like the 1950s in the workplace again. But I guess 50% of America wants that?

I think we all want equal opportunity, but not equity. Any qualifiers other than merit and experience, seem disingenuous.

 

[BlIIlken2]

You tell people to work hard and pick themselves out of the poor depths of society yet won’t throw them a rope to climb out? Just let them drown instead. Most aren’t asking to be plucked out of the water, they just want a legitimate chance to get out.

 

[BlIIlken2]

I think we all want equal opportunity, but not equity. Any qualifiers other than merit and experience, seem disingenuous.

That’s why DEI is needed. Just call it a different name if needed at this point.

 

[General Tso]

You tell people to work hard and pick themselves out of the poor depths of society yet won’t throw them a rope to climb out? Just let them drown instead.

The irony here is these same jack wagons voted for the ticket who pulled up the ropes for them, as well. All this administration cares about is keeping wealth centralized.

 

[ClarindaA's]

That’s why DEI is needed. Just call it a different name if needed at this point.

I think too much is trying to get equity. Standards should be the same for everyone. The tests that were used in Maryland and South Bend..basic and basic physical tests. Do you want the best people?