Can someone give me a specific example of a situation where a DEI hire
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Like I stated before I don’t agree with that. Also not what the goal of DEI is.
No. I don’t. I think one leader of a certain party latched onto something to make certain people feel upset about an issue that isn’t an issue nor will ever effect them.
This is a simple answer. Whomever performed better in the interview. The interview should be a panel, and consist of people from different backgrounds (as much as possible).
I've never had a panel split on 2 people being identically equal after an interview.
So let’s continue that. Say the minority is hired and the white guy runs to the papers to scream foul play. Death to DEI?
I think we’re way past that. Seem like many “Republicans” believe that if a black person has a job they were a DEI hire.
It used to be called affirmative action.
Agree with this. Seriously when you get on a plane do you look to make sure the Captain “looks like you”?
But yes the nepotism is annoying: “She got her job cause her Mom works here”.
Or he got his job cause the boss is his Uncle.
If someone gets a chance and meets all qualifications and training standards I’m not upset about it.
Yes. People are petrified if it isn’t a crusty old white male that flew in Vietnam.
I highly respect your knowledge of the aircraft industry but I differ with your view on this.
If you work hard and you are qualified you don’t need a rope. Not anymore.
Just let them drown? I’m gonna guess they aren’t going to drown…they have prepared themselves for opportunities and that includes having the ability to survive just fine.
I never noticed much crust. Did they get psoriasis in Vietnam?
Those guys have aged out and you know that, I’m sure.
You know better.
You know what I mean. And you’re completely naive if you think people don’t pre judge the qualification/skill of a young minority female pilot and would rather have an old white male military jet jockey in that seat.
I’ve witnessed it first hand. Hell I get it because I’m 37 and look 16. I’ve been the captain with 8000 more hours experience than the 62 year old sitting next to me. Guess who people think is in charge?
64% white
12% black
12% Hispanic
Seems pretty much in line with our national demographics. (61%/ 12%/ 18%) Hispanic number is a little lower.
I’m all for trying to get more diversity in the application pool. We definitely should be doing that. But once the candidates are chosen, it should come down to the ones who are most qualified to to the best job.
If someone has more experience or has gotten a better grade, hire that person. Doesn’t seem that’s what is happening though.
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So do we start asking for photos of the mechanics who serviced the plane?
There’s a long time poster on the FSU Board who flew in Nam and has since retired as an American Airlines Captain. I - and others - tend to take his voice of experience and since you weren’t born when his ass was getting shot at he has my respect. Him and all the guys who wore an 18 inch zipper.
Your turn will come and you’ll be the head guy. I’d feel safe if you were my Jet jockey by the way.
I have flown a lot lately including to Europe. The pilot I felt the most comfortable with was a +- 60 woman in what appeared to be excellent health. Friendly but no non-sense. The first officer was maybe upper 30s and not as confident. For some reason the door was open longer than usual while sitting (I think the younger pilot left and came back) and it was comforting to see how seriously she took her role.
At the university, I would say the better employees have a more difficult time as supervisors don't want friction and those not pulling weight complain about pressure (subtle) to work more efficiently.
In both sectors, I do see ageism. Younger are generationally more reluctant to associate with older workers and take input, even when done professionally. I see that now more than ever.
In the public sector, there more more bad and more really good employees.
In the private sector I notice few really bad ones (unless a relative), but fewer really good ones as they don't feel the freedom to excel as the corporate policy takes first place.
For example, some banks that manage farms will rent farms only to farm lending customers and bypass the obvious best farmers.
My observations.
Affirmative Action was necessary. Naturally there will be issues and some hires simply aren't good.
At issue with Trans is this when is the elephant in the room that many of you will ignore...
The people I've been around that are trans typically have deep seeded issues which comes out in mental health and the mental health issues aren't all about discrimination.
People with PTSD as an example shouldn't be police officers, firefighters, teachers, train/truck/bus drivers and so on. At least not without considerable work on the injury.
Getting to deep issues of trans is something few therapists would want to dive into without risking their license. Again, my experience is that they tend to have emotional instablity at a greater rate than the general public.
A gay person? I have no issues with that. You are talking about someone who has articiafically had their body systems messed up.
At issue with Trans is this when is the elephant in the room that many of you will ignore...
The people I've been around that are trans typically have deep seeded issues which comes out in mental health and the mental health issues aren't all about discrimination.
People with PTSD as an example shouldn't be police officers, firefighters, teachers, train/truck/bus drivers and so on. At least not without considerable work on the injury.
Getting to deep issues of trans is something few therapists would want to dive into without risking their license. Again, my experience is that they tend to have emotional instablity at a greater rate than the general public.
A gay person? I have no issues with that. You are talking about someone who has articiafically had their body systems messed up.
What do you know, other than the fact that you fly numerous days a week? My nearest republican, CHEETO, and Fox all say different.
And I tend to take the word of my brother, a B52 navigator that also worked on the F15, was head of Top Scene, and is currently employed in Naval Intelligence over the poster you’re talking about.
Good qualifications. Sounds like experience and expertise. Who wouldn’t?
Why do you b think about states dropping the Bar exam because African Americans have a harder time passing it?
I work at a Fortune 100 company. I’ve done well for myself but I don’t have aspirations of being a VP or even a Director level either. What I can tell you is my company has been very transparent that in order for them to fill a position they need to have interviewed at least one woman or minority interviewed. They interview at least 3 but no more than 5 for every position. Simple math tells you that every opportunity for a promotion me went down by 20% solely because I’m a white male. Explain to me how that isn’t a racist hiring practice and how that doesn’t affect me?
Sounds like everyone has an equal chance to me.
Maybe ask why do we actually need an interview quota for certain candidates. Fix the underlying issue. It was qwhite a problem before.
That is inherently false. When put any qualifiers on eligibility for anything, you are shrinking the pool.
