Please...keep helping the OP. You're doing great.Why are you a whiner? Tribalism exists…in every culture
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Please...keep helping the OP. You're doing great.Why are you a whiner? Tribalism exists…in every culture
Not trying to see it, asking if I am seeing it. Does an 8 year old Hispanic girl know why she's making fun of another student's hair color, eye color, etc.? What influence is her parents having on her? I don't have the answer, but reverse racism does occur, even if its misplaced. What's the solution? Tell the little girl, don't dislike my son because he's white, dislike him because his parents make more money than yours (yes that's asinine).
Perhaps I'm what way in real life? Inquisitive? Admittedly not a know-it-all and ask questions? If you're just referring to the thread title, you must be new here. You either know how to bring people in or you don't
In the end, though, I think @BioHawk provided the best answer...something I hadn't considered, but maybe should have.
I don't have a problem, Bel. I have questions. I could eventually have a problem, but unknown at this time.Blaming reverse racism for your affluenza problems.
I believe in fact and history being taught factually and acknowledging that systematic racism still prevalent to this day. I also agree with what you said as well in doing the right thing individually.
You started a thread with a race-baiting title because "know how to bring people in or you don't" and now you seem upset that someone thinks you're the problem and not your whiteness.I don't have a problem, Bel. I have questions. I could eventually have a problem, but unknown at this time.
Additionally, I am financially free to move about the country. However, I am noticing some things at my son's new school and I'm asking very pointed questions. I get the feeling you don't believe it's possible for there to be reverse racism that it MUST be affluenza. I've stated I think that's a bigger culprit for societies view on racism as a whole, but for all you know the little girl's parents blame white people for their lot in life...or they may not. I don't know. You don't know. Heck, people don't like people because of who they voted for.
Do you have any thoughts on whether or not a rich white kid can be successful (academically, socially, etc.) on a campus with 70% disadvantaged students. Yes/No?
Thank you White Man
If not the Jews, it is Obama's fault....or the Democrats!I don’t know the problem or solution here but I’m sure it’s the Jews fault
Well, I'm not upset for starters...just asking questions. And I never said I was wondering if I needed to pull my son out. I was wondering if integration is even possible due to color and income. QUOTE: "Can we ever have a truly integrated society as long as there are have and have nots? What do I have in common with parents who aren't educated and are living in poverty?"You started a thread with a race-baiting title because "know how to bring people in or you don't" and now you seem upset that someone thinks you're the problem and not your whiteness.
Some 8 year old teased your kid. They did not call them any obscene names or epithets but now you're wondering if you have to pull your kids from the school with all the poor people and you want us to chime in on whether it was your whiteness? Ok, no. Happy?
Take it easy! You're asking him tough questions that he cannot or will not answer. It won't allow him to post his one line nonsense.I have lots of questions, Chis:
- What are your thoughts on reverse racism?
- Is racism a case of "the white man started it"? If so, how do we end it?
- Do you believe white people are racist or racists are racist?
Link?There's an interesting podcast regarding this issue called Nice White Parents
No, it is not a bad thing to be white because despite things like this, white people still have huge advantages as a group (there are plenty of poor and disadvantaged white people that are often forgotten in everything). However, if this all stems from the comments about a Principle search, there are data based reasons for what they said. First, anytime you are hiring for a position you have a set of qualifications in mind. It gets dicey when you start talking about the racial stuff but there are mountains of evidence showing that minority students perform better with minority teachers. Minority teachers are far more likely to want to work at a school with minority administrators. If you have a high population of black or hispanic students, then as a board, you want to hire someone that is going to be able to recruit faculty that will best address the needs of the student population. The reasons for that are many, but it just might be as simple as who the kids and faculty trust the most. Clearly you live in an area with a heavy...um, well, calling a minority a majority is kind of an oxymoron, but you get the point.
So, in a school with a large black or hispanic population, it would be following that data. Of course, this also opens up a whole other angle that would not be considered ok (well wouldn't white administrators be better for majority white schools?) and I don't have the answers for those nor am I trying to convince anyone that what they are doing is acceptable. I'm just saying it isn't out of left field and there is data to support it. That doesn't necessarily make it ok though. I'm not sure what I actually think about the issue other than I'm glad I'm not someone who has to make that kind of decision.
Your point isn't wrong, it's just whether you place a higher value on what the data shows or the principle of integration. As I said, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.Thank you for the perspective. The reason it’s not ok is that it’s a form of self segregation imo. Previous generations of minorities fought so hard to desegregate and it’s frustrating that the data kind of points to the reverse happening.
There isn’t really anything whites can do about it either other than encouraging against it. In today’s environment, that’s just the reality of the situation. The change has to come from within those communities because having an outside perspective does carry value (especially when things aren’t working) despite what a lot of people think.
As a mixed race person, I feel as though there are advantages/disadvantage both ways.
I’m not lying 🤷♂️. If you saw me in sweatpants, you would know I’m telling the truth 😉. Ask your wife about itStill keeping this going, eh? Impressive.
I’m not lying 🤷♂️. If you saw me in sweatpants, you would know I’m telling the truth 😉. Ask your wife about it
Your point isn't wrong, it's just whether you place a higher value on what the data shows or the principle of integration. As I said, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
Right here was I realized that you’d made a mistake.As I stated in @joelbc1 's public school thread, we moved our son to a Charter school
How so?Right here was I realized that you’d made a mistake.
I agree.I firmly believe that a little bit of systemic racism goes away with each passing generation.
How so? I'm the son of a bi-polar and schizophrenic father who lost his job every 5-7 years due to a manic episode while my mom who was only a church secretary tried to hold everything together while he was in the mental hospital recovering, only to get out, find new work and spend the next several years digging us out of debt. Wash, rinse, repeat. He's 74 (no pics) and still going through this mess.I also believe that any white person who says they've "worked for everything they have" is full of BS.
- My no-pics wife is on the interview panel for a new Principal search. Today, she was told one of the primary concerns for the Principal they are interviewing today is that "She's white".
I’m a white man. I do pretty well. That’s good enough for me.
Ranked order: B, A, probably not C unless your grammar is significantly better (but I think that's actually considered race/privilege now). Not D.Will my family be outcasts because A. skin color, B. income level, C. education, D. not at all
I answered most of those questions in post #51. Yes, they did interview the candidate and of the five-member panel, 3 liked her, 2 did not; including the one who had concerns of her being white.Couple questions. Was it the whole board who voiced their concern? A few members? Just one person? Are they still going to interview the candidate? What does your son getting teased have any relevancy in your question?
I guess grammar is subjective to culture also (and education), right? We had a new parent orientation and sat on the same row as a dad who looked to be in his early 20s with face tattoos and the stereotypical clothing ensemble to boot. He didn't say much, but when he spoke it wasn't always easy to understand what he said.Ranked order: B, A, probably not C unless your grammar is significantly better (but I think that's actually considered race/privilege now). Not D.
Absolutely it would. However, I don't know what I would have in common with the man I mentioned above; not because of his race, but because of his life experiences (and age). Our nextdoor neighbors are Hispanic and we are great friends. --Income level equality + common interests.If you lived in the same neighborhood, shopped at the same stores and dealt with the same issues as the locals, this situation would look a lot different. As is, your an outsider.
Not sure I fully understand this one, but it was a white woman (with black children) who made the comment about the white candidate. They did interview her with a 3/2 split (in favor of) and the white woman wound up still not liking the white candidate.The principal candidate, not knowing anything about your wife but commenting that a concern she had was that your wife is white...well that's just racism. The interview panel is lucky she said it. Imagine if she thought and believed it and they'd hired her...what a role model...(I assume they sent her packing).
I absolutely agree. So far, we've been providing support through the teachers and staff. Buying supplies, donating for fundraisers, etc.The moment you start donating, you're on the radar, and now you're "different."
Donations are a double edged sword. Great for the beneficiaries, but when done in a way that isn't completely anonymous, it also signals to anyone else who knows that you have money to burn.
It's actually our son. He loves his teachers, but is struggling to connect with other kids and that's been a combination of:It doesn't mean your daughter can't have great friendships and walk away with many fantastic life lessons. Sounds like she's old enough to have some thoughts, how does she feel?
Not sure why that’s funny to you. If you knew anything about genetics, I may as well be 100%. A happy ass volunteer like yourself should maybe not laugh at another’s heritage.
Thanks, Rudy. I'll check it out. I also want to listen to the 2x recommended pod cast about "Nice White Family" ...or something to that effect.OP I recommend you listen to/read Naomi Klein. Not directly related to this, but still related.
A happy ass volunteer like yourself should maybe not laugh at another’s heritage.
Your immaturity really shows cupcake.Just yours 👍
Your immaturity really shows cupcake.