Hope you never make a mistake at your job and get fired immediately.
Cassioppi’s match
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Hope you never make a mistake at your job and get fired immediately.
Same people bitching about this kid getting knocked out and the refs inaction are the same people responsible for the pussification of college football/NFL.
It was a fluke, flukes happen. It sucks, move on.
It was a fluke, flukes happen. It sucks, move on.
Hey dummy, the kid blacked out, didn’t get knocked out he was choked out. When the wrestler is lifeless on the mat the ref should actually do something except stand there and look stupid.
You're right, he got choked out, which is even less of a big deal than getting knocked out. Get out of here troll.
How is this hold different than the Kem match or so many other matches where I have seen the same hold used?
I don't know if it is legal or not, but it shouldn't be.
Curious, what part was egregious? It was a legal hold. Ref was on the spot watching the angle of the shoulders. Missed Purdue going out for maybe 3 seconds. It was unexpected. That hold is very common (see Kem’s match. He did it 2 times), and I have not seen or heard of anyone else going out from it. So, a potential choke out is not something I would expect a ref to be checking for too closely in that situation. True the Ref could have noticed he was out 1 second earlier, but watch Kem and watch that sequence again this is a common legal hold.
I don't know. I did notice Kem has some space between his arm and the neck.
You can see it in this picture, the dark area between his forearm and the guy's neck..
True. But look earlier when Kem was torquing him over. He is definitely under the chin and on the neck with pressure. The angle changes when you get them over, but it is the same hold.I don't know. I did notice Kem has some space between his arm and the neck.
You can see it in this picture, the dark area between his forearm and the guy's neck..
I believe the photo you posted earlier of Cass was while he was torquing him over, so it is a little different.
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Dude got choked out because of the pressure he was putting into Tony's arm trying to fight off his back. Kem's guy didn't fight it as hard.I don't know. I did notice Kem has some space between his arm and the neck.
You can see it in this picture, the dark area between his forearm and the guy's neck..
He chose to fight over preserving his well being, similar to when some (most) guys tap before they get knocked out/arms broken in MMA and a very select few refuse to tap and get knocked out/broken.
Thanks, as I (frequently) mentioned, never wrestled, let alone reffed wrestling matches or ever really thought about positioning. I'd be happy to tell you all the things basketball officials do wrong though
Basketball is about 100x more difficult than wrestling. Honestly, I did a little bit of officiating in just about all sports, and I found wrestling to be the easiest. Basketball was the hardest.
It was a leg Turk, using a cross face to turn the guy. Pretty common technique. You hook his near leg with your leg, so he can’t turn into you. Then you crossface him away from you to their back. If you get your leg in deep you can elevate their leg to assist with the turn, but a fish will go right over from the cross face. Especially if they are unconscious.
Pin holds are supposed to feel uncomfortable, maybe even cutoff the oxygen a bit. Most guys just don't rollover and get pinned for the heck of it, they need a bit of persuasion.
Completely different situation, but this one was the worst I could think of off the top of my head (since we haven't talked enough about Berge lately). If the coached wouldn't have thrown the brick and ran out, the ref still might not know he was out.
Yeah, that was crazy. Also crazy that the Indian wrestler couldn't turn an unconscious guy.
Wow!! That is totally FUBAR!! Without being overly critical I think the ref for the match you just posted should never be near a mat. Clearly he was not watching what was going on...the guy's head was flailing around for quite a spell. Yikes!! The lights out portion of the Cass match was three seconds max.
While the situation isn't funny, that comment sure was, Art!
We always call it a bow and arrow. Get a leg in and elevate, crossface, bring the ankle to the head / head to the ankle. I believe it is illegal in high school wrestling. Zain was brutal with it, looked like torture.
The bottom guy has a choice to how brutal it is with a simple trick: roll over so your shoulders are flat on the mat. Takes all the pressure off the neck.
At a high school jv meet last night I saw two half-nelsons get stopped for potentially dangerous. I don't get how that is possible. Top wrestler now needs to turn the bottom wrestler without any uncomfort put on the bottom wrestler? Its crap.
Art...you sir have been in rare form
I had a kid in double wings with head in figure four who started complaining that he couldn’t breath. The ref was having none of it. I finally told him to shut the **** up and lay down. Lol It was a defining moment in my JV career….
I think I even saw a pic of that match the other day going while going through a box of old snaps.
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It was a leg Turk. A bow-and-arrow involves using your arm to pull his leg up towards his opposite ear - it's brutal as hell.
It’s wrestling. Roll over if you’re uncomfortable.
Like flap used to say…. Dude wasn’t strong enough to lift a sick whoure off a piss pot.
I think it was Steven Grace that kept calling it a cross face, not so much. The bump on my nose was from a cross face from one of my coaches, Beets Dotson(Champ UNI 62?). Watched him knock out a guy with that move, flop him over for a pin. I think they banned the wind up part of that move after that incident.
I don't know if it is legal or not, but it shouldn't be.
Correct. It would be physically impossible to torque someones head without pressure somewhere on the head, neck or chin. Unless of course they turn there head on their own because of the very thought of a torque.
