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Cassioppi to Iowa
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Guess you boys forget Lee has had two major surgeries before even getting to college. It may be a chore to keep him healthy and on the mat especially with him not drinking any of the sauce....
Spencer Lee is the messiah....minus that resurrection thingy of course.
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I know you're a troll and trying to incite drama but what exactly is your logic that Lee not drinking alcohol somehow inhibits his likelihood to get on the mat or recover from injury? Do you just spit shit out and not consider whether it makes any sense?
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Tom and Terry's unwillingness to touch the "sauce" caused both to really struggle with NCAA wrestling.
M* is there to show him how to win with one leg and CC to show him how to win with one arm..........to say nothing of the fact he won JR Worlds with the shoulder injury you speak of. IOW, Spencer will be just fine IMO.
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Just so I'm clear on this, you're saying that Gunther is better than Young, right?
Papa is a fan of Gunther (an IL boy) and was right on him last year. Gunther isn't going to give the spot up laying down. I think we all want something other than Gunther cause his style is boring and Young brings a different dimension that we assume is better. I'll take the best man and don't have a clue who that is.
Everyone knew Gunther would be the starter last year if Marinelli took his RS. There wasn't much to be right on. Gunther would have been the back up last year if Marinelli didnt RS and he will be the back up this year to Young. This is not a knock on Gunther. I love that he is a Hawk!
If Gunther developed some solid offense and scored points, he would have been an AA last year. Young has offense and is willing to take risks. If it's close, then I imagine they go with Young only because of that. Still, I will support whoever is in the slot.
No that's just who papa bear was talking about, I think young will take the spot but don't count out Gunther
No one has a spot.
You have to earn your spot and then us Hawk fans support who ever it is...
You have to earn your spot and then us Hawk fans support who ever it is...
"Good business" needs to be dealt with on individual basis and not be an expectation from this staff anymore. That is the recruiting thought process of yesterday.
Iowa 4-timers producing a NC is high risk ROI
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I believe there have been 25, 4 time state champs in Iowa. How many of them have been D1 NCAA champs? Around 5?
You don't just hand over talent to ur in state or national competition. You make them think ur recruiting someone hard to drive up the price making it harder for them to get other recruits finacially. It's called misdirection. Show them one thing while ur working a different angle. Its all part of the dirty recruiting game.
I realize Young was 65 last year but he looked like he had room to grow. Gunther looked on the small side of 65 to me and doesnt have a big frame. Its hard for me to see him competitive at 74.
Absolutely, and if he was just a foot and a half taller I'm pretty sure he would be in the nba.
I thought exactly the opposite as far as Gunther. His strength @ 165 and handfighting was what won him matches.
My perception was that stingy defense and toughness won his matches. I saw him as a smallish 165. I don't see him as a 174. Huge fan and love his fight! Just don't see him as having 174 size.
Just my 2 cents.
Meh...He went 2-2 at NCAAs. With some good offense, and he has it when he wants to pull the trigger, no reason to think that he couldn't finish higher.
Slim didn't tell us anything that wasn't known. He was clearly the 3rd best guy at the weight last year. Slim may get information about Gunther doing well in the room. We all know he is tough as nails. Young has better results outside the room while looking to score points. Young is the clear favorite unless Gunther decides to make offense a priority. Then it would be more of a toss up but still give the edge to Young. I don't care which one wins the spot but I would put Young as a serious AA contender.
25 four-timers, 17 since 1990, leaving Thomsen and Happel out for now and there is 15.
Sorensen 3x AA, 4th, 2nd, 3rd place
Clark 4x AA, 2, 2, 1
Marlin
Meeks - ISU
Nick Moore 3x qualifier
Reiter - MN
Sebolt- ISU
Borschel 3, 1
LeClere
Ettelson 4x qualifier, UNI
M. Reiter 3x AA, 4, 4, 5
Sundell 2x qualifier, ISU
Juergens 4x AA, 2x champ
Keenan
McGinnis 3x AA, 2x champ
One thing seems to follow: those 4 timers who went to Iowa appear to have a better opportunity for high success. Going to ISU seems like a death knell.
Out of these I'd say Clark, Sorensen, Borschel, M. Reiter, Juergens and McGinnis were absolute successes, 4 more worth the risk and the others, well, didn't pan out. Still pretty good success rate on 4 timers, imo.
Teske and Thomsen fit that mold, but still need the coaching and right fit, ahem - Iowa.
I'd have to agree with you, but also a big fan of C.J.
Albeit a bit biased.
Great list- thanks for sharing.
CJ in that "next 4" category, imo, coulda/woulda somewhere else type of thing, did a lot for them.
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Iowa, not being a big state, with its 3 classes equals 42 state champs per year for its 3m population. That's 14 state champs per million. At the other extreme, CA (40m population) has only one class, so 14 state champs per 40 million.
Winning a state title in Iowa is quite a feat, but there is dilution of the accomplishment compared to some other states, given the numbers.
Being a 4x'er in Iowa is no guarantee of reaching AA status. Of the 15 4-timers since 1990, 60% never attained AA once. Most that did, went to U of Iowa. Clearly, development is important. Getting the right fit for U of I and developing under Brands are necessary ingredients. Clark was a perfect fit.
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Eh that comparison to California doesn't really tell the full story. You have to look at how many high school wrestlers there are in each state, not just raw population. I guarantee Iowa has a much, much larger participation rate in wrestling than California does. Also, I imagine the youth scene is a lot bigger (per capitalism) in Iowa than California as well, so the athletes on average are probably a little more experienced. Could be wrong on that, because I'm not very familiar with California wrestling, but they have produced some absolute beasts at the NCAA level.
Per capita, you're right, Iowa has a higher participation rate, but the overall size of CA still still yields far more participants.
2016 HS wrestling participants:
CA 23,945 chasing 14 state titles, or ~ 1 title per 1700 wrestlers
Iowa 6,512 chasing 42 state titles or ~ 1 title per 155 wrestlers
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