CDC releases new data on mental health and suicide rates.

[Hawk_82]

CDC report shows concerning increases in sadness and exposure to violence among teen girls and LGBQ+ youth | Fact Sheets | Newsroom | NCHHSTP | CDC

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3 out of 5 girls reported feeling persistently sad or hopeless. This is a 60% increase from 2011.

I in 4 girls reported seriously considering suicide in 2021, up 60% from 2011.

1 in 10 girls reported attempting suicide, this is a 30% increase from 10 years ago.

In 2021, almost half of lgbtq students seriously considered suicide, 1 in 4 attempted suicide, and 3 out of 4 were persistently sad or hopeless.

This is not necessarily surprising data, but it is concerning and it should get our attention.

 

[Hawk_82]

A couple of my own observations. Lock down during the pandemic was extremely harmful to kids mental health.

The trans/lgbtq affirmation therapy is not working, and is in fact making things worse.

I see suicide rates for black students are up as well. I dont think making a narrative that black people victims of white people is a positive thing.

 

[QChawks]

mental health in America is it really bad shape

although it's good that we have tough gun laws to combat anyone acting out and getting hurt

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Remember growing up people told you "life isn't fair" or even "life is a bitch".


Kids today think they should just have what their parents have, or the nicest thing that x has on Facebook, and y, and z not realizing that each has their own problems.



We are ****ing soft.

 

[Hawk_82]

mental health in America is it really bad shape

although it's good that we have tough gun laws to combat anyone acting out and getting hurt

Gun laws don't fix mental health. People who want to hurt others or hurt themselves will do it regardless of whether they can get a legal gun.

Suicide rates are highest among young girls, and girls very rarely uses a gun as a means of committing suicide.

I do agree some gun laws should be revised, specifically in relation to those with mental health problems. But thinking this will change the rates of suicide is not accurate.

 

[lucas80]

A couple of my own observations. Lock down during the pandemic was extremely harmful to kids mental health.

The trans/lgbtq affirmation therapy is not working, and is in fact making things worse.

I see suicide rates for black students are up as well. I dont think making a narrative that black people victims of white people is a positive thing.

I'm sure you thought deeply about the numbers before deciding the root causes.

 

[Hawk_82]

Remember growing up people told you "life isn't fair" or even "life is a bitch".


Kids today think they should just have what their parents have, or the nicest thing that x has on Facebook, and y, and z not realizing that each has their own problems.



We are ****ing soft.

Our society has their priorities mixed up.

When children are told they can do whatever they want, and be whoever they want, that can be overwhelming as a young kid.

Kids need guidance, and they need to be redirected at times. Our society has decided that kids can decide everything for themselves. This ends up leading to more stress and unhappiness.

Kids are not soft, they are products of their parents. They need to know their place in the world and too many parents have taken that away.

 

[hydro2.0]

Remember growing up people told you "life isn't fair" or even "life is a bitch".


Kids today think they should just have what their parents have, or the nicest thing that x has on Facebook, and y, and z not realizing that each has their own problems.



We are ****ing soft.

Maybe social media and the constant bombardment of influencers other bullshit is exactly why young people are in this mess.

 

[EasyHawk]

I wonder what has changed over the years for things to get this rough for kids, seems like social media/phones have to be having a major effect. My no pic wife and I have talked about this for several years, young people don't seem to have the resiliency and the ability to deal with things like we used to. It is really sad to see how many are on medication. I read a lot blaming lock downs, but I can only speak for Iowa and outside of Iowa City and DSM, for much of the state school was only online from spring break to the end of the school year (8 weeks maybe). School was back to normal the following fall, it doesn't seem like that would have much impact.

 

[Randy Marsh]

Maybe social media and the constant bombardment of influencers other bullshit is exactly why young people are in this mess.

Yes, please keep young kids off social media.

 

[Hawk_82]

I'm sure you thought deeply about the numbers before deciding the root causes.

I'm open to your thoughts.

But yes, I have thought deeply about this. I have been arguing my same points for years now. I fully belive that the trans/lgbtq movement and affirmation therapy for kids should be considered child abuse.

I believe some people are gay and trans, but the current social movement is out of control.

I have spoke my opinions which are contrary to the beliefs of the vocal majority on this board. Now there is proof that the mental health for kids is getting worse.

So I hope everyone can put their ego aside and try to figure out a solution. I want the mental and physical abuse of children to end.

 

[Colonoscopy]

A couple of my own observations. Lock down during the pandemic was extremely harmful to kids mental health.

The trans/lgbtq affirmation therapy is not working, and is in fact making things worse.

I see suicide rates for black students are up as well. I dont think making a narrative that black people victims of white people is a positive thing.

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1. Yeah, miss on that.
2. I don't know how you can derive the LGBTQ observation from that data. Although I do have questions about what's going on there.
3. I don't think one thing says anything about the other.

 

[bhawk24bob]

I wonder what has changed over the years for things to get this rough for kids, seems like social media/phones have to be having a major effect. My no pic wife and I have talked about this for several years, young people don't seem to have the resiliency and the ability to deal with things like we used to. It is really sad to see how many are on medication. I read a lot blaming lock downs, but I can only speak for Iowa and outside of Iowa City and DSM, for much of the state school was only online from spring break to the end of the school year (8 weeks maybe). School was back to normal the following fall, it doesn't seem like that would have much impact.

It's not just kids, it's everybody. I can promise you that nobody's life is any better because they're tied to their phones so they can be in constant communication with everybody and everything. Except on the shitter, which is where cell phones excel.

 

[Colonoscopy]

This data does support Jon Haidt's hypothesis that the rise of social media amongst youth is having negative mental health outcomes, especially amongst girls.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

It’s social media 24/7/365

An hour visit to a therapist a couple times a month isn’t going to do a god damn thing.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Remember growing up people told you "life isn't fair" or even "life is a bitch".


Kids today think they should just have what their parents have, or the nicest thing that x has on Facebook, and y, and z not realizing th

We are ****ing soft.

It's been hypothesized that the apparent softness is largely kids not having the sorts of social experiences they used to have. Developmentally it makes them less able to handle the slings and arrows of life as they age.

So the anxiety and whatnot is probably real, however, we're setting them up for it.

But yes, it does look a bit silly considering many of those suffering these mental health issues are amongst the most privileged humans to have existed on earth.

 

[Hawk_82]

I wonder what has changed over the years for things to get this rough for kids, seems like social media/phones have to be having a major effect. My no pic wife and I have talked about this for several years, young people don't seem to have the resiliency and the ability to deal with things like we used to. It is really sad to see how many are on medication. I read a lot blaming lock downs, but I can only speak for Iowa and outside of Iowa City and DSM, for much of the state school was only online from spring break to the end of the school year (8 weeks maybe). School was back to normal the following fall, it doesn't seem like that would have much impact.

It is important to remember who is prescribing this medication. We are told by doctors and big pharma that the meds are great. But mental health is generally not fixed by meds alone. There also needs to be behavioral modifications and adapting new coping strategies.

This has been lost on a lot of youth.

 

[Hawk_82]

It's been hypothesized that the apparent softness is largely kids not having the sorts of social experiences they used to have. Developmentally it makes them less able to handle the slings and arrows of life as they age.

So the anxiety and whatnot is probably real, however, we're setting them up for it.

But yes, it does look a bit silly considering many of those suffering these mental health issues are amongst the most privileged humans to have existed on earth.

As the saying goes, "money can't buy happiness".

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Saw ths yesterday.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Saw ths yesterday.

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Would need to see comparison of two groups over time.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Maybe social media and the constant bombardment of influencers other bullshit is exactly why young people are in this mess.

100%.

Kids don't see "Timmy" With a new bike, and shitty shoes, and Joey with new shoes and a shitty bike and realize its normal they see timmys bike and joeys shoes on social media and think they are failing because they dont have both.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

As far as social media...this story from a couple years ago was alarming.

TikTok Tics: Why Are Teen Girls Around the World Experiencing Tourette-Like Tics?

What experts believe is causing the phenomenon, and what to do if your teen shows symptoms.

www.everydayhealth.com

 

[Hawk_82]

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1. Yeah, miss on that.
2. I don't know how you can derive the LGBTQ observation from that data. Although I do have questions about what's going on there.
3. I don't think one thing says anything about the other.

You don't think covid had an effect on the mental health of kids?

I said due to lockdown, but I really meant covid in general. I know so many people who really struggled during lockdown.

 

[Colonoscopy]

You don't think covid had an effect on the mental health of kids?

I said due to lockdown, but I really meant covid in general. I know so many people who really struggled during lockdown.

No, I was agreeing with you on that one. We definitely misshandled COVID and youth

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

No, I was agreeing with you on that one. We definitely misshandled COVID and youth

Seems like some of our harshest measures were directed at the age groups that were least susceptible to COVID.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Food for thought on the topic

The Teen Mental Illness Epidemic Began Around 2012

This is not just "kids these days."

www.persuasion.community

 

[alaskanseminole]

CDC report shows concerning increases in sadness and exposure to violence among teen girls and LGBQ+ youth | Fact Sheets | Newsroom | NCHHSTP | CDC

Your Connection to the Latest HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, STD and TB News at CDC

www.cdc.gov

3 out of 5 girls reported feeling persistently sad or hopeless. This is a 60% increase from 2011.

I in 4 girls reported seriously considering suicide in 2021, up 60% from 2011.

1 in 10 girls reported attempting suicide, this is a 30% increase from 10 years ago.

In 2021, almost half of lgbtq students seriously considered suicide, 1 in 4 attempted suicide, and 3 out of 4 were persistently sad or hopeless.

This is not necessarily surprising data, but it is concerning and it should get our attention.

Yup. SM standards for these young girls are impossible to achieve.

Of note: I was walking my dog yesterday and saw SIX girls around 10-11 ALL playing outside, climbing trees, etc. without any technology. It was wonderful to see!

 

[gohawks50]

Take a look at the recommended courses of action:

• Increasing the sense among all students that they are cared for, supported, and belong at school. The proven health benefits of this approach, called “school connectedness,” are well demonstrated and can last well beyond their teenage years. However, youth who are racial and ethnic minorities, experience racism, and who identify as LGBTQ+ often feel less connected at school. Effective programs include approaches like providing safe and trusted adults such as mentors or trained teachers and connecting teens to their peers and communities through clubs and community outreach. These programs help kids know they matter and are not alone.
• Increasing access to needed health services, including mental health and substance use prevention services, whether provided on-site or through connecting youth and families to community-based sources of care.
• Implementing quality health education that is medically accurate, developmentally appropriate, culturally and LGBTQ+ inclusive, and grounded in science can help prevent violence and reduce mental health challenges by equipping teens with essential knowledge and skills such as negotiating sexual consent, managing emotions, and recognizing and asking for the help they need.

Now consider legislation being implemented in many states. How do you think trans laws, restricting health and history topics is going to impact the mental health of students?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Take a look at the recommended courses of action:

• Increasing the sense among all students that they are cared for, supported, and belong at school. The proven health benefits of this approach, called “school connectedness,” are well demonstrated and can last well beyond their teenage years. However, youth who are racial and ethnic minorities, experience racism, and who identify as LGBTQ+ often feel less connected at school. Effective programs include approaches like providing safe and trusted adults such as mentors or trained teachers and connecting teens to their peers and communities through clubs and community outreach. These programs help kids know they matter and are not alone.
• Increasing access to needed health services, including mental health and substance use prevention services, whether provided on-site or through connecting youth and families to community-based sources of care.
• Implementing quality health education that is medically accurate, developmentally appropriate, culturally and LGBTQ+ inclusive, and grounded in science can help prevent violence and reduce mental health challenges by equipping teens with essential knowledge and skills such as negotiating sexual consent, managing emotions, and recognizing and asking for the help they need.

Now consider legislation being implemented in many states. How do you think trans laws, restricting health and history topics is going to impact the mental health of students?

Those seem like a rehash of things being pushed for quite a while now.

 

[gohawks50]

Those seem like a rehash of things being pushed for quite a while now.

Many of them have been, but to not consider the damage politicians are doing to the mental health of students by placing them at the center of this "culture war" is ignoring a big part of the problem. Politicians are bullying certain kids through legislation.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Yup. SM standards for these young girls are impossible to achieve.

Of note: I was walking my dog yesterday and saw SIX girls around 10-11 ALL playing outside, climbing trees, etc. without any technology. It was wonderful to see!

Just kidding. Agree that it's good to see. Tons of kids in our neighborhood have been out with the nice weather.

 

[bhawk24bob]

Take a look at the recommended courses of action:

• Increasing the sense among all students that they are cared for, supported, and belong at school. The proven health benefits of this approach, called “school connectedness,” are well demonstrated and can last well beyond their teenage years. However, youth who are racial and ethnic minorities, experience racism, and who identify as LGBTQ+ often feel less connected at school. Effective programs include approaches like providing safe and trusted adults such as mentors or trained teachers and connecting teens to their peers and communities through clubs and community outreach. These programs help kids know they matter and are not alone.
• Increasing access to needed health services, including mental health and substance use prevention services, whether provided on-site or through connecting youth and families to community-based sources of care.
• Implementing quality health education that is medically accurate, developmentally appropriate, culturally and LGBTQ+ inclusive, and grounded in science can help prevent violence and reduce mental health challenges by equipping teens with essential knowledge and skills such as negotiating sexual consent, managing emotions, and recognizing and asking for the help they need.

Now consider legislation being implemented in many states. How do you think trans laws, restricting health and history topics is going to impact the mental health of students?

School is the control factor, we aren't going to address the increase by throwing darts at the wrong board.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Many of them have been, but to not consider the damage politicians are doing to the mental health of students by placing them at the center of this "culture war" is ignoring a big part of the problem. Politicians are bullying certain kids through legislation.

This is a trend that's been developing for a decade....can't place all the blame on recent legislation. Problem is probably more nuanced then that and multi-faceted.

 

[Tenacious E]

A couple of my own observations. Lock down during the pandemic was extremely harmful to kids mental health.

The trans/lgbtq affirmation therapy is not working, and is in fact making things worse.

I see suicide rates for black students are up as well. I dont think making a narrative that black people victims of white people is a positive thing.

I guess I will throw out something admittedly wacky. Is it possible that trans/lgbtq mental health actually got better during the height of lockdown because they weren't subjected to bullying and other bullshit on a daily basis, but could commune online with like-minded people?

 

[hawkeye54545]

I'm sure there are several factors but social media has to be up there. Kids not having near as much in person socialization as they once did can't be good.

And nothing wrong with learning how to lose. I feel like sometimes we try to hard to make everyone a winner which costs an important life skill.

 

[Moral]

I guess I will throw out something admittedly wacky. Is it possible that trans/lgbtq mental health actually got better during the height of lockdown because they weren't subjected to bullying and other bullshit on a daily basis, but could commune online with like-minded people?

The internet provides 24/7 bullying opportunities.

 

[Tenacious E]

The internet provides 24/7 bullying opportunities.

I suppose you are right.

 

[gohawks50]

This is a trend that's been developing for a decade....can't place all the blame on recent legislation. Problem is probably more nuanced then that and multi-faceted.

Social media plays a big part, but the behavior of adults sets the tone. Everyone online is more combative and dismissive of people that disagree with them. Before we blame kids for being cruel each other, we need to look in the mirror.

 

[Hawk_82]

Take a look at the recommended courses of action:

• Increasing the sense among all students that they are cared for, supported, and belong at school. The proven health benefits of this approach, called “school connectedness,” are well demonstrated and can last well beyond their teenage years. However, youth who are racial and ethnic minorities, experience racism, and who identify as LGBTQ+ often feel less connected at school. Effective programs include approaches like providing safe and trusted adults such as mentors or trained teachers and connecting teens to their peers and communities through clubs and community outreach. These programs help kids know they matter and are not alone.
• Increasing access to needed health services, including mental health and substance use prevention services, whether provided on-site or through connecting youth and families to community-based sources of care.
• Implementing quality health education that is medically accurate, developmentally appropriate, culturally and LGBTQ+ inclusive, and grounded in science can help prevent violence and reduce mental health challenges by equipping teens with essential knowledge and skills such as negotiating sexual consent, managing emotions, and recognizing and asking for the help they need.

Now consider legislation being implemented in many states. How do you think trans laws, restricting health and history topics is going to impact the mental health of students?

The research is backwards in regards to transgender/lgbtq stuff. I posted a link to a study below that discusses how trans people who are accepted by their parents are significantly less likely to commit suicide. The Discussion goes on the say, "efforts should be aimed at leveraging gender identity acceptance from supportive adults and peers in their lives".

This is the epitome of jumping to conclusions. But this "science" is being touted as solid and is being used as support to use affirmation therapy, hormones, and surgery.

What these kids really need is to feel loved and feel important. Feeling accepted, wanted, and appreciated is what decreases the suicide risk, it has nothing to do with gender acceptance. Gender acceptance is just currently the most popular way for vulnerable kids to gain acceptance. Gender issues is a symptom of the problem for the majority of kids, and by changing gender, they think that this will give them the love and acceptance they crave. (it won't long term).

In the 90's when I was growing up, these are the kids who would have become emo or goth so they could gain acceptance by their peers. now, they are changing their gender. The problem is that you can go back when you are goth/emo, once you change your gender, that will follow you quite a bit more. Especially if you take hormones or have surgery. They are being set up by doctors for a lifetime of mental health issues.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/trgh.2021.0079

 

[gohawks50]

The research is backwards in regards to transgender/lgbtq stuff. I posted a link to a study below that discusses how trans people who are accepted by their parents are significantly less likely to commit suicide. The Discussion goes on the say, "efforts should be aimed at leveraging gender identity acceptance from supportive adults and peers in their lives".

This is the epitome of jumping to conclusions. But this "science" is being touted as solid and is being used as support to use affirmation therapy, hormones, and surgery.

What these kids really need is to feel loved and feel important. Feeling accepted, wanted, and appreciated is what decreases the suicide risk, it has nothing to do with gender acceptance. Gender acceptance is just currently the most popular way for vulnerable kids to gain acceptance. Gender issues is a symptom of the problem for the majority of kids, and by changing gender, they think that this will give them the love and acceptance they crave. (it won't long term).

In the 90's when I was growing up, these are the kids who would have become emo or goth so they could gain acceptance by their peers. now, they are changing their gender. The problem is that you can go back when you are goth/emo, once you change your gender, that will follow you quite a bit more. Especially if you take hormones or have surgery. They are being set up by doctors for a lifetime of mental health issues.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/trgh.2021.0079

Do you have any research to support your "backwards " theory.?