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What is wrong with some of us? I'm quite disappointed by the amount of people celebrating losing close to Michigan and ISU. Teams don't make the tournament by losing close games. Iowa dropped 11 spots in the NET by losing last night. Even 1-1 in the last two drastically improves the analytics. Those who keep saying Iowa will be alright, will be really disappointed come March 17th when Iowa is on the Vegas postseason tournament.
 
What is wrong with some of us? I'm quite disappointed by the amount of people celebrating losing close to Michigan and ISU. Teams don't make the tournament by losing close games. Iowa dropped 11 spots in the NET by losing last night. Even 1-1 in the last two drastically improves the analytics. Those who keep saying Iowa will be alright, will be really disappointed come March 17th when Iowa is on the Vegas postseason tournament.
yeah, I do not get that mentality at all.
 
What is wrong with some of us? I'm quite disappointed by the amount of people celebrating losing close to Michigan and ISU. Teams don't make the tournament by losing close games. Iowa dropped 11 spots in the NET by losing last night. Even 1-1 in the last two drastically improves the analytics. Those who keep saying Iowa will be alright, will be really disappointed come March 17th when Iowa is on the Vegas postseason tournament.
I don't think anyone should be happy or content that we lost - but being optimistic that they are playing better than many thought they would and that their defensive seems to be much improved is certainly OK.
 
I am not a fan of moral victories, especially when a coach has been in place for a decade and a half. I can see feeling good about going on the road and taking a Top 5 team to OT and losing, or something like that.. But losing close home games, or losing a close road game to an unranked team doesn't do a lot for me.

At some point, you need to win some of these games, not just be competitive in defeat, if you want to make the NCAA tournament, and especially if you want a decent seed.

As for the team being "more competitive than I thought", I'd say this is about what I expect most of Fran's teams to be. They are not really exceeding or falling short of what I personally expect to see these days. After this much time, we pretty much know what Fran is going to deliver.
 
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The "young team" argument does not fly in the NIL & portal era. Lots of teams that are not familiar with each other that are getting it done.
you have to have the funds, same with football. I think the Iowa coaches are behind the 8 ball, and I'd say Thewell is a solid get, would you argue that?
 
their defensive seems to be much improved

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a. play good team
b. play unexpectedly well against said good team.
c. get lead against said good team.
d. find your bed
e. poop in your bed
 
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you have to have the funds, same with football. I think the Iowa coaches are behind the 8 ball
They need to open the books and show us how far behind we are.

I know several people on this message board (yours truly included) do not contribute to Swarm or NIL in any capacity, but that represents less than 2% of Hawkdom. I bet the funds are there, obviously not at the top dogs level, but easily in that Top 40-50 level.

Until they open the books we’ll never really know.
 
They need to open the books and show us how far behind we are.

I know several people on this message board (yours truly included) do not contribute to Swarm or NIL in any capacity, but that represents less than 2% of Hawkdom. I bet the funds are there, obviously not at the top dogs level, but easily in that Top 40-50 level.

Until they open the books we’ll never really know.
I would be all for this tbh, however the counter argument would be then players know how much they can go after, there wouldn’t be negotiations.
 
I don't fault people who want to be optimistic. I'm not the fan police. Nor do I give a sh!t when others make comments about those of us who aren't hesitant to point out problems.

I'm continuing on that slow slide of apathy with Fran ball. At this point I can't muster much for enthusiasm nor annoyance. Mostly it's resignation to seeing the same weaknesses and flaws play out repeatedly.
 
If we'd actually accomplished something in the tourney under Fran (like a few sweet 16s), a moral victory could be reason for excitement about the future. Knowing the ceiling of this regime is low in the tourney, moral victories don't count... especially with the smaller in state school seems to make it every few years
 
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If we'd actually accomplished something in the tourney under Fran (like a few sweet 16s), a moral victory could be reason for excitement about the future. Knowing the ceiling if this regime is low in the tourney, moral victories don't count... especially with the smaller in state school seems to make it every few years
If Iowa had a Sweet 16 (or better run) during the Luka & Murray years. There would be a lot more grace for this year & last.
 
What is wrong with some of us? I'm quite disappointed by the amount of people celebrating losing close to Michigan and ISU. Teams don't make the tournament by losing close games. Iowa dropped 11 spots in the NET by losing last night. Even 1-1 in the last two drastically improves the analytics. Those who keep saying Iowa will be alright, will be really disappointed come March 17th when Iowa is on the Vegas postseason tournament.
because it's better than the constant bitching
 
However, this team can actually play a bit of defense when necessary (unlike most of his squads), but they do lack a rebounder.
Currently we're 90th DER in Kenpom. That makes us the 17th best defense in the B1G, ahead of only Rutgers (104).

To add some context -- 17th in an 18 team league really isn't that good (lol), especially when you consider that Rutgers has played a significantly tougher schedule than we have so far.
 
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They both need to start. Bench Sandfort.
Well that ain't happening. I will give Fran credit for inserting Thelwell into the starting lineup though. I'd been dreaming of that for awhile but never thought he'd pull the trigger. Now, if I could only get him to spell Freeman with Mulvey to improve the rebounding numbers.🤔
 
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Well that ain't happening. I will give Fran credit for inserting Thelwell into the starting lineup though. I'd been dreaming of that for awhile but never thought he'd pull the trigger. Now, if I could only get him to spell Freeman with Mulvey to improve the rebounding numbers.🤔
I haven’t been following close the last two weeks. Is Traore injured? If not he should start. Mulvey is not a major player, appreciate his tenacity.
 
Currently we're 90th DER in Kenpom. That makes us the 17th best defense in the B1G, ahead of only Rutgers (104).

To add some context -- 17th in an 18 team league really isn't that good (lol), especially when you consider that Rutgers has played a significantly tougher schedule than we have so far.
So, here's the way that shitty defensive rebounding kills your defensive efficiency. Kenpom uses points per possession as the single biggest component to determine your defensive rating. Every time you give up an offensive rebound, you allow for another scoring opportunity in the same possession, and it's often right at the rim. Second chance points absolutely kills defensive efficiency even if you played very good defense leading up to that missed shot.
 
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I haven’t been following close the last two weeks. Is Traore injured? If not he should start. Mulvey is not a major player, appreciate his tenacity.
Compared to Brauns, Mulvey is Bill Russell. He's the best rebounder on a team that sucks at rebounding the basketball. Traore got his first action back from injury against ISU. Didn't play yesterday though.
 
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So, here's the way that shitty defensive rebounding kills your defensive efficiency. Kenpom uses points per possession as the single biggest component to determine your defensive rating. Every time you give up an offensive rebounds, you allow for another scoring opportunity in the same possession, and it's often right at the rim. Second chance points absolutely kills defensive efficiency even if you played very good defense leading up to that missed shot.
Rebounding is a problem. It's certainly not the only problem.
 
It's a fact. They were outrebounded by 16 vs ISU, 15 vs UM, and 6 to Utah State. They gave up 16 offensive rebounds to an absolutely deadful New Orleans team last night. They were outrebounded by Ryder. This might be the worst rebounding Iowa team in the last 50 years. That's how much this Iowa team sucks at rebounding. 326th in the country bad.
 
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Mulvey has made some nice hustle plays recently but if you watch his defense overall it is not great.
Too weak.
Cannot understand how a big man 3 years in the program actually seems to have less muscle than when he came to Iowa.
That's on Fran.
 
Mulvey has made some nice hustle plays recently but if you watch his defense overall it is not great.
Too weak.
Cannot understand how a big man 3 years in the program actually seems to have less muscle than when he came to Iowa.
That's on Fran.
I don't believe this is true, but it is absolutely true that physical development is lacking in Fran's program. Mulvey's defense is at least as good as Dembele and Freeman and his rebounding is much better.
 
I don't believe this is true, but it is absolutely true that physical development is lacking in Fran's program. Mulvey's defense is at least as good as Dembele and Freeman and his rebounding is much better.
His rebounding and defense are not much better than Freeman. Please.
 
Please? Freeman is averaging 4 rebounds per game over the last 5 contests. That's your center we're talking about. He's getting overwhelmed by bigger bodies. Mulvey had 4 boards in 8 minutes yesterday.
Didn’t know he had dropped to that level in recent games. He’ll come back (dare I say rebound). Freeman is a power forward, not a center. But we can all agree he’s all Big Ten caliber, Mulvey is a bench player. I’m happy he’s supplying a few minutes.
 
What is wrong with some of us? I'm quite disappointed by the amount of people celebrating losing close to Michigan and ISU. Teams don't make the tournament by losing close games. Iowa dropped 11 spots in the NET by losing last night. Even 1-1 in the last two drastically improves the analytics. Those who keep saying Iowa will be alright, will be really disappointed come March 17th when Iowa is on the Vegas postseason tournament.
If Hayden Fry would hear someone celebrating a close loss he would smack them in the mouth.
 
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