Tough kid and may be one of the next chips to fall. Is Iowa recruiting him? Now that Suriano is out of the picture, you'd think he'd be a good target for our future at 133. Anyone know much about his recruitment?
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*Suriano is quoted as being thinking he will start at 125, be there for 1 or 2 years then move up.
"My freshman year I'll be at 125 and I'll be perfect for the lineup. I think I'll grow after that, too ... I don't think I'll be a '25-poounder all four years ... because I'm not done growing."
*Cortez is 33 and is quoted as saying a move up to 41 would not be a problem.
"I grew out of 125, so the plan is to wrestle '33 this year and next year," said Cortez. "Then Jimmy will be a senior while I'm a sophomore, so we'll be '33 and '41. When he graduates, if they want me to move up to '41, then that's something I'm willing to do. I definitely have the frame and size to grow into that, so '33-41 is (the range)."
*Here is the current PSU plan to land Lee, Suriano, Cortez AND Red with nobody wrestling above 141 according to El Jefe:
2016: Nico, Conaway, Gulibon; Cortez sits
2017: Suriano, Cortez, Gulibon; Red shirts
2018: Suriano, Cortez, Red; Lee shirts
2019: Lee, Cortez, Red; Suriano shirts
2020: Lee, Suriano, Red
Note that Cortez loses a year of eligibility if he transfers within the B10.
This works with any combination of 2 out of Suriano, Pletcher Karam, and Red -- assuming Cael can work the financials out and Micic can go 133 for one year Suriano can go 125 for 2 years.
*Not sure if this plan takes into account Mr. Lee's GF or not. Don't shoot the messenger...
If PSU pulls this off then good for them. Doesn't seem like you guys get to disappointed as fans these days when it comes to recruiting, so no reason to think this couldn't happen.
Some of the detail is a repost of another BWI member, who dice credits. Also there is the typo or it hasn't been updated inclusion of Micic. Either way it would be a brutal lineup.
Wouldn't that be more of an ADD issue for the reader than an OCD issue for the writer?
I actually just edited it as later El Jefe put the "strike through" font on Micic (after he committed to Michigan) after he inserted Cortez (which came as a surprise to all). Just thought it would be easier over here to understand - as most had not followed it over on BWI (there have been multiple posts on it).
Bottom line is his point was there is room at the inn for lightweight recruits at PSU. If they get one more this year, they could still add Lee without anyone sitting - as long as everyone takes a RS year. If they don't get anyone else (Red, Phillippi, Karam) and they get Lee - nobody RS and Cortez moves up to 141 for his last two years.
I'm not saying it is going to happen, just that the scenario is there for all to be happy.
Here's a hypothetical...people are counting on money for a certain university when it comes to a young lightweight stud. What if I were to say that the certain university has a good enough combination of rich parents who are willing to take less to support a great team and guys on academic schollies to pretty much get whoever they want. If this is true, then it really sucks for the home team.
I followed it over there, but the last paragraph still has micic on the one you posted. Not sure if it does over there. Not a big deal, my main point was to say it was a collaboration and that it makes you less OCD and that is would be a brutal lineup to face.
While not necessarily "rich" - this scenario can absolutely be true. It has been reported that Mega gave up his scholarship last year so that PSU had enough money to add a wrestler - not sure if this is actually true unless it came from the horses mouth, but it showed up enough times to make me think there are some legs to it.
As far as academic money, PSU generally makes academic money available from sophomore year on (there is no program like tOSU has that can get academic money to out-of-state kids), but that has to be earned through their academic departments. Nick Weldon just earned a chemistry scholarship this year, for instance, but not sure that anyone else did. But if you look at the list of academic achievement from some of the PSU guys - Retherford with a 3.65GPA, Taylor's was reported very high in past, Brown 3.95GPA (although he was on ROTC schollie) - it wouldn't surprise me if some earned some academic money, but the standards are very high to do this so I doubt it is significant. The tOSU out-of-state academic grants were discussed in detail over on BWI and it seems to be a much easier path to getting academic money than at PSU. No idea about Iowa, but Iowa is an outstanding university so I would think it is like PSU in this regard (not that tOSU is not a great university).
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This is the part of the equation that nobody talks about. It may be rare, but there are families that have enough money to comfortably pay for the college education without breaking a sweat. Not all kids "need" the scholarship.
It would take some serious money to forgo scholly money even for upper middle class parents just so their kid can be on a good team. These parents pay a crap load of money to train and send their kids all over the U.S. and even the world. Sometimes it might even out in terms of college money. It would take a parent with deep pockets to not be tempted to use the educational IRA for something else since the kid is good enough to at least take care of 1/2 to 3/4 of it. If this is true, makes one wonder why Ivies other than Cornell don't have better teams.
Well, I guess "rich" is a relative term. And when you consider that a 25% scholarship is only in the neighborhood of $7500 for an in-state at PSU - $7500 has a different level of meaning for a lot of people. As does $15,000.
If you are knocking down 200 to 300K a year, I wouldn't say you are "rich" especially if you are living in an affluent suburban area. You can drop $7500 on your cable bill, family gym membership and your landscaping in a year for an "average joe" where I live in PA.
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Get rid of cable and your gym membership. Get outside and get some exercise doing landscaping while enjoying beneficial quality time with your family. Save all that money! That's how a lot of "average Joe's" do it in Iowa. Atleast where I'm from.
I assume you're aware, but Iowa has been doing this for decades. May not be as prominent as it once was when Gable was at the helm, but it definitely did happen.
Yea...although no one ever really knows the particulars. I am just reminding folks who think the scholly cup is running dry in Columbus or State College...it's not. We have to get these guys on merit. So Gilman and Clark, if you could just roll off a national title each, that would be great <sips coffee>
I've already "cut the cord" and got rid of cable. Do my own landscaping. Have a gym membership, but it's not to the one in town that runs you 3000 a year.
I'm not pulling down 250 or 3 hundred K per year either lol.
Just saying there are plenty of people around that are. ..and they're not the "rich" ones.
I know that Lincoln Mac gave up his scholarship at some point in his career, so your right this type of thing has been going on for a long time.
Since I wrote the PSU Plan that Dice refers to ... let me clarify that it's **my** plan, not Cael's. It was merely to show that, yes, they can all fit in the lineup.
I agree with this part of the above: Cortez could force a different outcome at 141 if he outgrows 133 (in 2019 or not at all). I'm not sure Red goes 149 to succeed Zain in 2019. Then Phillippi makes more sense, because IMO no way he's a career 141 and he's very high on PSU. It makes Cael's decision very interesting: he could see Cortez holding weight. He could project Red to 149 in time. He could wait a year or 2 to find Zain's successor.
(FYI, Phillippi recently stated his school list is PSU, Virginia, and NC State -- though, as always, that could change.)
Disagree with the Lee inferences. His stated timeline goes beyond this season. Given the parents' backgrounds, they'll take their time to get it right. No top program will risk Lee by sending their money elsewhere in October. If another 2016 "name" guy goes to any top program, that has no bearing on Lee's availability for that school.
Also, specific to PSU: Nico, Conaway, and McIntosh come off the books in May 2016. Cael cannot give their money to Red or anyone else in this class.
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