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Charlie Moore

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Seems to be staffs top target at PG, was offered earlier today. Moore, Santos, and Rakocevic all play will be playing together for Mac Irvin Fire this summer. Would be nice if we could land all 3.
 
I think it was Nick Irvin who tweeted out a couple of days ago that Santos is out 4-6 weeks with an injury. Hopefully he's healed and in shape by the late summer eval period.
 
He's a bit under the radar, so basically, right now this is Ulis part 2.

Now, let's just hope he doesn't blow up and the blue bloods come calling.

That sort of bums me out that we have to operate like that, but it is what it is I guess.

Be nice if someday we are a destination that is just as attractive as the blue bloods.

That is the job Fran has ahead of him. Tough.

Only Raveling sort of pulled that off.
 
Like Ulis, Moore plays for a high profile AAU team, so even if he is under the radar now, he won't be for very long.
 
Good player. Not close to Ulis, though. He's no secret. Morgan Park is a high profile team in Illinois. He did not play the point for MP. Played the two. Lovett was the point.
 
I'm sure Moore will play the point this year, now that Lovett is moving on. That could be one reason he's not got a lot of attention- he's been playing out of position. Of course he's small and needs a bit more strength, but Moore's got some skills and Fran likes these small PGs and has worked successfully with such before.
 
Originally posted by combes:
Good player. Not close to Ulis, though. He's no secret. Morgan Park is a high profile team in Illinois. He did not play the point for MP. Played the two. Lovett was the point.
Appreciate the feedback, but truth is you weren't high on Ulis either.
 
Moore is not under the radar..you don't get offers from Missouri & Xavier and be under the radar. This kid has played with & against some of the very best in Chicago.
 
Living in Missouri and hating the Tigers, I have to make this comment:

Mizzou is not an offer I would be bragging about.
 
Originally posted by 4th & 9 inches:
Living in Missouri and hating the Tigers, I have to make this comment:

Mizzou is not an offer I would be bragging about.
who is bragging? the comment made ..was under the radar...Moore is hardly that.
 
When a program as bad as Mizzou offers you, one could easily claim the guy is under the radar.
This post was edited on 4/13 9:50 PM by 4th & 9 inches
 
Originally posted by combes:
Good player. Not close to Ulis, though. He's no secret. Morgan Park is a high profile team in Illinois. He did not play the point for MP. Played the two. Lovett was the point.
Combes, you were pretty lukewarm on Ulis as I recall, until he blew up.
 
Originally posted by HawkLogic:
Originally posted by combes:
Good player. Not close to Ulis, though. He's no secret. Morgan Park is a high profile team in Illinois. He did not play the point for MP. Played the two. Lovett was the point.
Combes, you were pretty lukewarm on Ulis as I recall, until he blew up.
I don't think he questioned his skill/ability. IIRC, his only concern was whether Ulis' size would be a hindrance at the high major level. Honestly, that's a valid concern for any player that size.
 
Originally posted by SSG T:

Originally posted by HawkLogic:

Originally posted by combes:
Good player. Not close to Ulis, though. He's no secret. Morgan Park is a high profile team in Illinois. He did not play the point for MP. Played the two. Lovett was the point.
Combes, you were pretty lukewarm on Ulis as I recall, until he blew up.
I don't think he questioned his skill/ability. IIRC, his only concern was whether Ulis' size would be a hindrance at the high major level. Honestly, that's a valid concern for any player that size.


It certainly would be for a Division One college player that happened to be a center.
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In fact, if folks will recall Brody Boyd had some difficulty with defense as taller guards would shoot over him.

I believe in the NBA there have been a total of thirteen players listed under 6". However, in college it is not all that uncommon for a point guard, and if one can get the right athletic ability and skills...sign the guy! You won't be sorry.

As to Combes, he is a knowledgeable poster but has also shown a remarkable knack for saying certain players haven't played point card, or don't play point guard. The article I linked above calls Moore point guard. ESPN calls Moore a point guard. Sure, LoVett happens to play point as well, and both he and Moore start...but that is the only reason to not say Moore plays point.

Would we say that about Clemmons if he started alongside Gesell? "He did not play the point"?
 
"I believe in the NBA there have been a total of thirteen players listed under 6"."

there is no way this is even close to being accurate
 
Originally posted by BlueHawk23:

"I believe in the NBA there have been a total of thirteen players listed under 6"."

there is no way this is even close to being accurate

Just did a really quick search. There have been 24 5'9" or shorter. The list under 6' has to be pretty long.
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Thanks BlueHawk23 and Birky.
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I didn't feel like looking it up. I knew if I were wrong I'd get corrected. So Moore not being 8'10" isn't that big of a concern?
 
Ulis has the luxury of having a front line of shot blockers behind him at UK. Great player, but he is in a very good place to minimize any problems guarding bigger players.

Moore looks like a really good prospect, but his size will be more of a concern if the Hawks don't have a big guy or two, like Gabe, who help protect the basket. For PGs, having the quickness to stay in front of the opposing PG is the most important defensive skill. Moore has plenty of quickness.
 
Originally posted by BlueHawk23:

"I believe in the NBA there have been a total of thirteen players listed under 6"."

there is no way this is even close to being accurate
According to basketballreference.com, there have been 125 NBA players measuring 5'11" or shorter, including Iowa's own Dean Oliver and Murray Weir.





This post was edited on 4/14 11:43 AM by wondergrape
 
Originally posted by HoustonREDHawk:
Ulis has the luxury of having a front line of shot blockers behind him at UK. Great player, but he is in a very good place to minimize any problems guarding bigger players.

Moore looks like a really good prospect, but his size will be more of a concern if the Hawks don't have a big guy or two, like Gabe, who help protect the basket. For PGs, having the quickness to stay in front of the opposing PG is the most important defensive skill. Moore has plenty of quickness.
I completely agree with this as I generally do agree with your outlook on things Houston. Fran has recruited smaller as of late possibly due to getting the best available players in wings but I think we have to get more size especially with Woodbury graduating next season. I know many fans like playing small but I think we will get further as a tournament team with more size. As you mentioned earlier hopefully Fran puts all of his emphasis on post players and point guards in this next recruiting class.
 
Originally posted by hawkeyemark:


Originally posted by HoustonREDHawk:
Ulis has the luxury of having a front line of shot blockers behind him at UK. Great player, but he is in a very good place to minimize any problems guarding bigger players.

Moore looks like a really good prospect, but his size will be more of a concern if the Hawks don't have a big guy or two, like Gabe, who help protect the basket. For PGs, having the quickness to stay in front of the opposing PG is the most important defensive skill. Moore has plenty of quickness.
I completely agree with this as I generally do agree with your outlook on things Houston. Fran has recruited smaller as of late possibly due to getting the best available players in wings but I think we have to get more size especially with Woodbury graduating next season. I know many fans like playing small but I think we will get further as a tournament team with more size. As you mentioned earlier hopefully Fran puts all of his emphasis on post players and point guards in this next recruiting class.




I think a quick defender, regardless of height, is less reliant on post players backing him up than is a taller, slower defender.

While a shorter player may struggle to defend outside shots, there are many successful point guards in college under 6'.

A huge key by the way is the complete unknown as to how the NCAA will decide to officiate games in the future. Are we going to start allowing hand checking and moving screens similar to a body check in hockey? Or are we going to call the fouls as promised two seasons ago? That kind of makes a difference as to whether we want the Flash or the Hulk defending guys on the exterior.

Size inside?

It seems to me about half the league has embraced bruisers over 250 lbs and as many as they can get, and the other half is signing stretch fours, even stretch fives, and forcing those bruisers out of their lairs under the basket. Very few teams trying to do both.
Edit to add: I LOVE the Wisconsin drive or pass to the free throw line and drawing the big away from the basket. Several times a game you can count on a cutter coming underneath for an open pass and lay up/dunk. It made our bigs look dumb, made bigs on several teams look dumb.



This post was edited on 4/14 1:13 PM by DanL53
 
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