Cheating pays off......

[Dirk_Diggler]

The NCAA should be ashamed of itself.

Syracuse, Boeheim lack of institutional control, academic scandal, extra benefits, no drug testing.
Boeheim gets 9 game suspension where they play 'nobody state', 1 year 'self imposed' ban on NCAA tournament and a few hundred victories removed from his resume. Complete garbage.

North Carolina, players never going to class, others taking tests for them. This is information coming from former players. Where is the punishment?

Bottom line, the NCAA has no backbone and is never going to give anyone an SMU type penalty. It basically says, if you cheat you are going to get slapped on your wrist, told to go to your room for 1 year and don't do I again.

 

[RockEyeState]

Jim Boeheim is such an arrogant POS that I think it would be 'poetic justice; if
the Cheating orange won it all this year.

The NC2A is such a joke with regard to its 'enforcement' of rules and discipline.

Look at Louisville............now, we're somehow supposed to feel sorry for the
pathetic Pitino, because he sold his Team down the river to avoid being
SANCTIONED?

 

[hawkisak]

That's 3 ACC teams that have had transgressions!

 

[spiderland]

Not to worry, fellas. Someday, SOMEONE will be held accountable and pay DEARLY for these specific transgressions.

Knowing the NCAA, it'll probably be Coppin State or Austin Peay...

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I don't really care how well Syracuse has done in he tourney....they didn't deserve to be in it...period. 80+ RPI and apparently getting "credit" because their coach was suspended for cheating just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

I don't really care how well Syracuse has done in he tourney....they didn't deserve to be in it...period. 80+ RPI and apparently getting "credit" because their coach was suspended for cheating just rubs me the wrong way.

Agree. Oh and didn't Syr just have lil boys incident with 1 of the coaches?! That sure went away quick.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

The NCAA should be ashamed of itself.

Syracuse, Boeheim lack of institutional control, academic scandal, extra benefits, no drug testing.
Boeheim gets 9 game suspension where they play 'nobody state', 1 year 'self imposed' ban on NCAA tournament and a few hundred victories removed from his resume. Complete garbage.

North Carolina, players never going to class, others taking tests for them. This is information coming from former players. Where is the punishment?

Bottom line, the NCAA has no backbone and is never going to give anyone an SMU type penalty. It basically says, if you cheat you are going to get slapped on your wrist, told to go to your room for 1 year and don't do I again.

You get way with this crap when you are a blueblood program.. Illinois tries the same crap and the ban hammer comes down on them hard. Not that I condone this at all. That is the one thing I like about pro sports. The rules are even and hammer falls on you when you get caught breaking rules.

 

[ddelzell]

The NCAA should be ashamed of itself.

Syracuse, Boeheim lack of institutional control, academic scandal, extra benefits, no drug testing.
Boeheim gets 9 game suspension where they play 'nobody state', 1 year 'self imposed' ban on NCAA tournament and a few hundred victories removed from his resume. Complete garbage.

North Carolina, players never going to class, others taking tests for them. This is information coming from former players. Where is the punishment?

Bottom line, the NCAA has no backbone and is never going to give anyone an SMU type penalty. It basically says, if you cheat you are going to get slapped on your wrist, told to go to your room for 1 year and don't do I again.

 

[SSG T]

My first thought as well. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised or irritated about it.

 

[HawkPT]

Surprised? No.

Irritated? Of course!

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Don't just blame the NC2A.

Jim Tressel - caught players cheating, lied about it - now the President of Youngstown St. Writes books about being a winner.

Bruce Pearl - personally cheated, lied about it - now head coach at Auburn. For some reason he hasn't written a book yet.

Kelvin Sampson - caught cheating, got fired - got caught cheating, warned, caught again, fired - now Head Coach at Houston

Rick Pitino - gets caught getting a women pregnant in a restaurant and paying for an abortion, his program busted for hiring strippers for recruits - does not get fired. Writes books about leadership.

Bob Knight - fired for physically abusing players and being an out of control maniac, fired - hired by Texas Tech. Writes books about achieving positive results

Jim Boeheim - cheats, gets busted, goes to the E8. Writes books about Bleeding Orange.

Roy Williams - academic scandal under his watch, goes to E8. Writes books about hard work. Punishment - (crickets)

Todd Lickliter - 2007 National COY, good guy, but dull. Can't win at Iowa, fired - couldn't get a decent coaching gig anywhere, now a scout for the Celtics.


Please tell me. Why is it that coaches shouldn't do whatever it takes to win?

 

[DewHawk]

The NCAA is not only a joke it is turning collegiate basketball into a joke. The tournament has been a joke because of the schools selected (Syracuse), seeding, and officiating. It appears to me the NCAA was out to "stick it" to the BIG - IMO. The officiating, there are no words to describe the incompetency and/or the deliberate favoritism (repeated touch/whiff foul on one end and mugging on other end not called). By the way have you noticed the announcers not criticizing any calls and then making some lower body comment even on whiffs (repeatedly) on the review.

Very sad as money has become the only consistent in the entire debacle.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

UNC has 18 years of academic cheating covering between 3,000 & 5,000 students/student-athletes and it appears that NCduba are waiting for people to forget about it. Watch the dikheels win it all.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

The NCAA is not only a joke it is turning collegiate basketball into a joke. The tournament has been a joke because of the schools selected (Syracuse), seeding, and officiating. It appears to me the NCAA was out to "stick it" to the BIG - IMO. The officiating, there are no words to describe the incompetency and/or the deliberate favoritism (repeated touch/whiff foul on one end and mugging on other end not called). By the way have you noticed the announcers not criticizing any calls and then making some lower body comment even on whiffs (repeatedly) on the review.

Very sad as money has become the only consistent in the entire debacle.

So much truth. I wonder why schools haven't filed lawsuits yet.

 

[Roy-munson]

And what again did Hawaii do to get a 3 year post season ban? Loss of scholarships? I really don't know,

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

And what again did Hawaii do to get a 3 year post season ban? Loss of scholarships? I really don't know,

Probably nothing. That's UNC's punishment

 

[regibson1]

Not to worry, fellas. Someday, SOMEONE will be held accountable and pay DEARLY for these specific transgressions.

Knowing the NCAA, it'll probably be Coppin State or Austin Peay...

The NCAA is taking the advice of a teacher that I once had when I was doing my student teaching. He told me that to set discipline in the classroom find the kid with the least amount of friends (kind of an outcast) and then pick on him and make his life miserable so that everyone else will behave to prevent being put in the same situation.

The NCAA takes a Cleveland State and punishes them harshly to try to make everyone else follow the rules. (It's not working...)

 

[spiderland]

Rick Pitino - gets caught getting a women pregnant in a restaurant and paying for an abortion, his program busted for hiring strippers for recruits - does not get fired. Writes books about leadership.

Well, to be fair, it took some real leadership to pull off that stripper thing. So there's that.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

When it comes to college FB and BB, cheaters almost always win. The NCAA is a useless joke that cares only about $$$$$

 

[Hawk_4shur]

CF & CBB are both giant steaming piles of dung. I keep telling myself to find something better to be interested in - something more "high caliber".

So, let's see ... how about the NFL? MLB? Politics? High finance? Religion? Cycling? Foreign travel? The environment?

Gulp! OK, I guess steaming pile of dung it is.

 

[hawksense]

All the schools that are mentioned inject a ton of money into the sport through viewership and contributions and such. What do you think is going to happen? The NCAA is a cash cow that no one wants to tip over.

Iowa would receive a harsh penalty, though. Because we would go stand in the corner like good Iowans.

Still, I have longed to cheat. Just for the instant grat. If we pay for it some years down the road, oh well. We would have been sitting at the adult table.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

I am kinda amazed that Texas doesn't kick ass in every sport when you consider every advantage they have.

 

[Lone Clone]

The NCAA is taking the advice of a teacher that I once had when I was doing my student teaching. He told me that to set discipline in the classroom find the kid with the least amount of friends (kind of an outcast) and then pick on him and make his life miserable so that everyone else will behave to prevent being put in the same situation.

The NCAA takes a Cleveland State and punishes them harshly to try to make everyone else follow the rules. (It's not working...)

That's a teacher who should burn in hell.

 

[Ronman]

Whoever said, "Cheaters never win," obviously doesn't have Syracuse and UNC in his Final Four in his bracket.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

When it comes to college FB and BB, cheaters almost always win. The NCAA is a useless joke that cares only about $$$$$

Just like every other regulatory agency; FDA, EPA, CDC, etc....

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Whoever said, "Cheaters never win," obviously doesn't have Syracuse and UNC in his Final Four in his bracket.

I get what you're saying, but how many of the current kids from either school were involved (actual honest question because I'm too lazy to go look up the timelines)? That's the bad part about punishing schools--most times the ones who pay for it are the ones who had nothing to do with it. Look at the two Louisville kids for example (yes, I realize they should have realized that Pitino is as dirty as he is before they went there).

Just saying.

 

[David1979]

Boehiem and syracuse got off easy.

 

[Mohawkeye]

The NCAA should be ashamed of itself.

Syracuse, Boeheim lack of institutional control, academic scandal, extra benefits, no drug testing.
Boeheim gets 9 game suspension where they play 'nobody state', 1 year 'self imposed' ban on NCAA tournament and a few hundred victories removed from his resume. Complete garbage.

North Carolina, players never going to class, others taking tests for them. This is information coming from former players. Where is the punishment?

Bottom line, the NCAA has no backbone and is never going to give anyone an SMU type penalty. It basically says, if you cheat you are going to get slapped on your wrist, told to go to your room for 1 year and don't do I again.

Absolutely true. It is a disgrace that North Carolina even has a basketball program right now. The NCAA should be ashamed. But they are not.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

The NCAA is taking the advice of a teacher that I once had when I was doing my student teaching. He told me that to set discipline in the classroom find the kid with the least amount of friends (kind of an outcast) and then pick on him and make his life miserable so that everyone else will behave to prevent being put in the same situation.

The NCAA takes a Cleveland State and punishes them harshly to try to make everyone else follow the rules. (It's not working...)

JFC. Please tell me you didn't take this advice to heart. What kind of teacher would say such a thing? SMH.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

JFC. Please tell me you didn't take this advice to heart. What kind of teacher would say such a thing? SMH.

Unfortunately, I know I had a few of those teachers growing up.

 

[LuteHawk]

Jim Boeheim of Syracuse said that his team did break
rules but there was no cheating. So the NCAA puts
Syracuse basketball team on 5 year probation, the loss
of 12 scholarships, and the suspension of Boeheim for
9 games.

Bottom Line: Syracuse gets invited to the NCAA Tourney
and ends up in the Final Four. The NCAA leadership is
a JOKE.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I'm not saying Carolina is pure as snow, but don't you have to sort out the "who knew what and when did they know it?" questions before you penalizing certain teams? It sounds like athletes from a number of sports--as well as 'regular' students--went through the classes/programs in question. But, don't you need proof that Williams or the soccer coach or the baseball coach or whatever coach KNEW it was happening and either let it go or participated in it?
I get the "institutional control" aspect but that would go above the coaches to the AD and President, etc. I'm not defending anyone/anything, and given that it went on for many years, it would be hard to see that only a handful of folks knew what was happening. But it's dangerous saying "well this was happening and it involved a bunch of kids so let's start handing out discipline".
I also agree that the NCAA is a joke, and is about as consistent in their dealings as the weather.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Gosh darn it, how could anyone expect poor ole Uncle Roy to pay attention to his players' skoolin, when he is tryin to beat those pesky blue devils. As widespread as the fake classes were at UNC, Roy would have had to try really hard not to know that something was going on.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Don't just blame the NC2A.

Jim Tressel - caught players cheating, lied about it - now the President of Youngstown St. Writes books about being a winner.

Bruce Pearl - personally cheated, lied about it - now head coach at Auburn. For some reason he hasn't written a book yet.

Kelvin Sampson - caught cheating, got fired - got caught cheating, warned, caught again, fired - now Head Coach at Houston

Rick Pitino - gets caught getting a women pregnant in a restaurant and paying for an abortion, his program busted for hiring strippers for recruits - does not get fired. Writes books about leadership.

Bob Knight - fired for physically abusing players and being an out of control maniac, fired - hired by Texas Tech. Writes books about achieving positive results

Jim Boeheim - cheats, gets busted, goes to the E8. Writes books about Bleeding Orange.

Roy Williams - academic scandal under his watch, goes to E8. Writes books about hard work. Punishment - (crickets)

Todd Lickliter - 2007 National COY, good guy, but dull. Can't win at Iowa, fired - couldn't get a decent coaching gig anywhere, now a scout for the Celtics.


Please tell me. Why is it that coaches shouldn't do whatever it takes to win?

Wait, how the heck did Lick get on this list? If he ever cheated he damn sure sucked at cheating!

 

[SSG T]

I get what you're saying, but how many of the current kids from either school were involved (actual honest question because I'm too lazy to go look up the timelines)? That's the bad part about punishing schools--most times the ones who pay for it are the ones who had nothing to do with it. Look at the two Louisville kids for example (yes, I realize they should have realized that Pitino is as dirty as he is before they went there).

Just saying.

I get what you're saying, however, that shouldn't stop the punishment. What I've thought should happen is that both the school and the coach involved should get the punishment, even if the coach is no longer at the school. If a school gets busted and, say, a two year post season ban, give the coach that was there a two year suspension without pay.

Let the players at the affected school and at the coaches current school transfer penalty free if they weren't part of the transgressions.

 

[SSG T]

Wait, how the heck did Lick get on this list? If he ever cheated he damn sure sucked at cheating!

I think he's saying Lick would have been better off if he had cheated and gotten caught.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I think he's saying Lick would have been better off if he had cheated and gotten caught.

Bingo.

Nice guys finish last.
signed, Leo Durocher

 

[slipHawk]

It is pretty annoying that those two are in the FF, especially Syracuse. It's made worse by the pompous blustering that Boeheim is making. He reminds me of Armstrong -- when the pressure is on, he just gets meaner.

 

[pepsicock]

UNCheaters been doing this for years in all 3 major sports . Even women's basketball . The sad thing about is that the NCAA is going to do nothing to them . Has anybody asked Roy Williams or UNC administration about this during this run ? No

 

[Herkmeister]

Jim Boeheim of Syracuse said that his team did break
rules but there was no cheating. So the NCAA puts
Syracuse basketball team on 5 year probation, the loss
of 12 scholarships, and the suspension of Boeheim for
9 games.

Bottom Line: Syracuse gets invited to the NCAA Tourney
and ends up in the Final Four. The NCAA leadership is
a JOKE.

Drew Ott agrees.