Civil disobedience...reject their stinking liberal laws. If you don't want to sell a cake to a lesbian or homosexual person just don't do it...tell em to come get you and make sure you have a clean cot and 3 squares with plenty of cable tv time.
Christians need to take a lesson from that Martin Luther King person
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Why did Clayton divorce his white wife of 19 years?You remind me of Clayton Bigsby, the black white supremacist.
I think you've got it stuck in reverse... again.
King wasn't telling store owners to keep denying service based on race. I have a feeling Christ would probably encourage people to accept people for who they are and forgive them. "What you do to the least of my brethren, you do to me."
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We were never married. She actually took a job offer in Colorado last Fall. So, we've amicably taken a hiatus.
Tough luck...actually I have found black women to be intelligent and extremely friendly...not at all like their male counterparts.Maybe that is why they are turning to white men in droves...I've actually had many come on to me.Still not my cup of tea but I'm not going to denigrate a white man who hooks up with a cute little sista or even marries her.
Or they could follow jesus' advice. You know love thy neighbor, Love your enemies, or "Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them." or "judge not, that ye be judged" or "Blessed are the peacemakers" or "Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."
But you're right let's refuse gays cakes, it's what a good Christian would do.
But you're right let's refuse gays cakes, it's what a good Christian would do.
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Says who?! Jesus didn't say to hate the gays. The old testament did but it also said not to like football and to not where multi cloth clothes.
Who decreed it was their "right" to hate to bake a cake?
The basic issue is, we've lost our property rights.
If you "open your doors to the public" your property is no longer private under the perverse understanding of our rights in the modern era.
Even worse, this loss of property rights is actually trumping our enumerated right to freedom of religion! The very act of opening your door and allowing someone to walk in and negotiate a sales contract means that you cannot refuse to negotiate on religious grounds.
Insanity.
If you "open your doors to the public" your property is no longer private under the perverse understanding of our rights in the modern era.
Even worse, this loss of property rights is actually trumping our enumerated right to freedom of religion! The very act of opening your door and allowing someone to walk in and negotiate a sales contract means that you cannot refuse to negotiate on religious grounds.
Insanity.
Civil disobedience has a respectable history. But don't complain when fines are handed down because accepting punishment is part of the deal. And don't be too shocked if the fines arrive by a letter and not jack booted thugs with dogs. So don't be too surprised if no one ever pays much attention to this protest against civil rights. But by all means, let them eat cake.
I might also add I have zero problem with a homosexual man refusing to bake a straight cake as well...
I have a feeling you'd have an extremely difficult time finding that homosexual refusing to bake a "straight cake."
I will never understand why you would want to financially support someone who doesn't like you. It must be a gay thing.
Don't understand why we can't just be respectful of one another's moral beliefs and just go to a different bakery.
Why do we have to try and punish one another for thinking different thoughts?
Maybe we could have a federally-subsidized chain of bakeries... call it "Planned Pastry"... to provide gay wedding cakes in isolated areas where no progressive bakeries exist for gay wedding planners?
I don't disagree that we should all respect the moral beliefs of others, but that isn't how the real world works.
Yeah, most Christians don't give damn who they sell their stuff to, they don't want have serve a ceremony they don't believe in. So like when you marry your dog, they don't want to provide the biscuits for the party.
No one is being punished for a thought, they are being punished for actions. If you want respect, be respectful of the actual issue and don't try to redefine it.
Thoughts that lead to moral actions. If I try to do business with someone and they say that they would prefer to not do a certain type of business because it conflicts with their moral beliefs, I would respect that and try to do business with someone who's moral beliefs arn't conflicted.
So these people are punished for trying to live by a set of moral beliefs.
What's really going on is you have some dishonest people who are targeting these places for a quick payday. All this posturing about what is right and what is wrong is nothing but an attempt to extort money from small businesses.
It's the price you pay for having a business open to the public.
Nope, they are being punished for discriminating against the public who have a right to be treated equally. If you don't want to bake gay, female, black, Hindu, old, or Chinese "cakes," stop baking any "cakes" at all. You do not have a right to run a business of public accommodation and refuse parts of the public based on your religious beliefs. If your beliefs don't allow you to accommodate the public, then you will need to stop being a business of public accommodation.
There are people who have a moral belief that blacks should not marry whites. Or shouldn't even live together.
I assume you think a baker or landlord should be able to deny business due to these moral beliefs?
If they want to. . . as a concession I would say that I think it's perfectly fair and reasonable that businesses with certain moral objections post those moral objections in a public manner.
I'm mostly concerned with the act of custom making something for something that you disagree with.
As we've discussed before I don't believe that it's fair or right to consider anyone who has to custom make something a "business of public accommodation".
There is a difference between selling someone the same thing you sell everyone else and custom making an item just for that particular client.
Perverse understand of property rights. Absolutely perverse.
^^^^ should be the law of the land.
I guess I'm just a better person than you since I believe people should not be denied service simply because of race, religion, sexual orientation, or disability.Perverse understand of property rights. Absolutely perverse.
^^^^ should be the law of the land.
