Christians need to take a lesson from that Martin Luther King person

[NoleSoup4U]

I guess I'm just a better person than you since I believe people should not be denied service simply because of race, religion, sexual orientation, or disability.

You guys are missing the point. I don't think people should refuse service to anyone either, in fact I find it completely retarded from a business perspective. The difference is that I believe in private property rights, and if the person is stupid enough to turn away business, then it's going to just be that much harder to stay in business.

What people like Trad and I are saying is that we aren't so fascist that we wish to push our morality on other people, who aren't treading on the liberty of others.

 

[Herkmeister]

I'm not sure that's healthy, but I am sure I don't care!!!!

 

[The Tradition]

I guess I'm just a better person than you since I believe people should not be denied service simply because of race, religion, sexual orientation, or disability.

You also have a perverse understanding of contract rights.

A contact signed under duress is not valid.

But the government has decided that refusing to contract with someone based on certain characteristics invalidates this essential element of contract law.

Thus, we have people suing each other over gay wedding cakes.

 

[strummingram]

Let's say you want a cake that looks like a naked woman. Should they HAVE TO provide that? What if they want a cake that depicts a cross burning and says "White Power?" Is it mandatory for the baker to provide that? Do they have any say in what they will or will not make? If you say that they don't have to make the naked woman or the KKK cake, then you're not keeping with your original insistence that everyone get treated equally.

If you're a merchant and you choose to only sell to white males of Protestant religious affiliation, you're going to really limit your market and likely go out of business. I dunno WHY someone would ever want to limit themselves like that, but, it probably helps the bakeries that are not prejudiced. Forcing people to pretend they're not prejudiced doesn't stop them from being prejudiced.

 

[mstp1992]

You also have a perverse understanding of contract rights.

A contact signed under duress is not valid.

But the government has decided that refusing to contract with someone based on certain characteristics invalidates this essential element of contract law.

Thus, we have people suing each other over gay wedding cakes.

But, the contracts are not being "signed under duress." They're simply being poopy heads.

 

[mstp1992]

Let's say you want a cake that looks like a naked woman. Should they HAVE TO provide that? What if they want a cake that depicts a cross burning and says "White Power?" Is it mandatory for the baker to provide that? Do they have any say in what they will or will not make? If you say that they don't have to make the naked woman or the KKK cake, then you're not keeping with your original insistence that everyone get treated equally.

If you're a merchant and you choose to only sell to white males of Protestant religious affiliation, you're going to really limit your market and likely go out of business. I dunno WHY someone would ever want to limit themselves like that, but, it probably helps the bakeries that are not prejudiced. Forcing people to pretend they're not prejudiced doesn't stop them from being prejudiced.

Using the bakery example, as I've read the statutes, a business only has to perform duties that they would normally perform. So, no, if a bakery is not customarily creating cakes with swastikas they do not have to if one is requested. It's not about the actual product, it's about not being able to refuse their customary services to a particular customer. This is how my sister-in-law explained it to me as well (she's an attorney).

 

[The Tradition]

Using the bakery example, as I've read the statutes, a business only has to perform duties that they would normally perform. So, no, if a bakery is not customarily creating cakes with swastikas they do not have to if one is requested. It's not about the actual product, it's about not being able to refuse their customary services to a particular customer. This is how my sister-in-law explained it to me as well (she's an attorney).

The normally provide a little plastic groom and bride on a cake. Not two grooms or two brides.

 

[Herkmeister]

Using the bakery example, as I've read the statutes, a business only has to perform duties that they would normally perform. So, no, if a bakery is not customarily creating cakes with swastikas they do not have to if one is requested. It's not about the actual product, it's about not being able to refuse their customary services to a particular customer. This is how my sister-in-law explained it to me as well (she's an attorney).

And this was the result of civil rights which inhibited merchants from discriminating against blacks. The gay situation was essentially identical. And for this reason, the law is correct.

 

[Herkmeister]

The normally provide a little plastic groom and bride on a cake. Not two grooms or two brides.

But Trad, this still violates civil rights.