CJ Fredrick commits
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My concern is the date of the commitment.
So either Fran knows someone will transfer or you have 12 kids wondering if they will be cut.
Am I seeing this wrong?
So either Fran knows someone will transfer or you have 12 kids wondering if they will be cut.
Am I seeing this wrong?
I have a really hard time coming up with anything like 12...I doubt any, but maybe you can make the case for 2?
The scholarship issue will work itself out.. there isn't another option. It's not like the 2018-19 season will start with Iowa having too many players. My guess is one (or more) of the bigs will transfer just because there isn't enough minutes to spread around for the number of players who can legit play Big 10 basketball.
We shall see who rises and falls as the season goes on. This board (myself included) will speculate on things like Kreiners body language when he only gets 3 minutes in a road game in January or 4th hand rumors of Garza being homesick, or even the tired speculation of Wagner being on the football team. We will all talk about it then after the season ends something will shake out. It could even be a guard that leaves-Ellingson could grad transfer. Dailey, Moss, Williams will all get chances this year because we are, and have been guard poor compared to what we have at the other positions .If they don't take advantage of the opportunities they may end up short minutes and see the writing on the wall with guys like Weiskamp coming as well as Frederick and maybe Connor McCaffrey in the mix.?
We shall see who rises and falls as the season goes on. This board (myself included) will speculate on things like Kreiners body language when he only gets 3 minutes in a road game in January or 4th hand rumors of Garza being homesick, or even the tired speculation of Wagner being on the football team. We will all talk about it then after the season ends something will shake out. It could even be a guard that leaves-Ellingson could grad transfer. Dailey, Moss, Williams will all get chances this year because we are, and have been guard poor compared to what we have at the other positions .If they don't take advantage of the opportunities they may end up short minutes and see the writing on the wall with guys like Weiskamp coming as well as Frederick and maybe Connor McCaffrey in the mix.?
Fran isn't going to want to risk his multi million dollar job which he will have till he retires. He also isn't going to want to run someone off and create that kind of atmosphere at iowa.. It is only a guess but my guess would be he already knows someone is leaving and Brady will have his degree and could or wants to move on. The only thing we know for sure is the Iowa bball program is tight lipped and does not lhave any leaks about what they are doing
Well, might want to explain one to you. CJ is willing to commit to Iowa without a scholarship available. Doubtful that Green would do that. CJ is willing to walk-on in his first year if that's what happens. Again, Green certainly wouldn't do that. Fran told him last night that something will likely work out on the scholarship front, which is probably accurate given that 700 players a year end up leaving a D1 school each and every year. No one has indicated to the Iowa coaches that they are leaving at this time.
Fact is Fran has a long history with the Fredrick family. Coached his uncle when he was an assistant at ND and the kid has wanted to come to Iowa for a while. They figured out a path that both felt comfortable with last night, so he committed today. We will see how it works out. The whole Green inclusion in your commentary is flawed, IMHO.
So worse case for the kid he walks on one year then becomes part of the 2019 class..
So glad I waited for more info. 
Wow, now a kid with ten D1 offers including Penn State and Nebraska...from what I've found, if accurate...wants to come to Iowa even if no scholly is available!?!?
OK, I know his Dad has connections to Fran...but still.
Wow, now a kid with ten D1 offers including Penn State and Nebraska...from what I've found, if accurate...wants to come to Iowa even if no scholly is available!?!?
OK, I know his Dad has connections to Fran...but still.
This is correct. Chance he could redshirt in his first year too. FWIW, he's trending towards combo guard instead of strictly shooting guard as far as his game. Like I said, he's willing to roll the dice that something will open up on the scholarship front. A lot of kids would take the sure thing. Says a lot about how much he wants to play for Fran.
So glad I waited for more info.
Wow, now a kid with ten D1 offers including Penn State and Nebraska...from what I've found, if accurate...wants to come to Iowa even if no scholly is available!?!?
OK, I know his Dad has connections to Fran...but still.
family must be super rich!
family must be super rich!
I tell ya, Fran has something going with the kind of kids he's bringing in. A lot of guys with offers from places like Ivy League schools. Stellar human beings with great heart and families like Cook. It dang sure beats having guys like someone who pulls a knife on a bouncer and says something like he's not afraid to use it.
Pretty clear that Connor Mc has a low probability of being on a BB scholarship at Iowa, and that Fran believes it is likely that at least one other scholarship will open up from a transfer. Also, seems likely that Fran sees CJ someone who can play some PG, in addition to SG. Great shooters with some length are very valuable, but we will have to wait and see how it plays out.
Welcome CJ!
Welcome CJ!
National Prep Hoops@HoopReview 10h10 hours ago
@cj_fredrick Iowa just landed the best shooter in the Midwest
@cj_fredrick Iowa just landed the best shooter in the Midwest
I did a little digging; Iowa was his first high major offer; Iowa offered in Sep 2016, as seen here:
Pure Prospects@PURE_PROSPECTS 22 Sep 2016
2018 Cov Catholic SG C.J. Fredrick (@cj_fredrick) gets first high major offer from Iowa.
Pure Prospects@PURE_PROSPECTS 22 Sep 2016
2018 Cov Catholic SG C.J. Fredrick (@cj_fredrick) gets first high major offer from Iowa.
I'm not a big "recruiting guy" but this commit just comes out of the blue to me. McCaffery continues to baffle me, but so far, his track record is pretty damn impressive in my estimation, so I'll sit back and watch his master plan assemble,
What kind of compliment is that? "Oh, he speaks so well!"
CJ isn't a PG at a high level, had a not so great year with Indiana Elite hence the 2 star status. He's a great shooter, just not the prospect others thought coming out of 16u ball, had a great 16u July. He seems like a good kid, kinda reminds you of Jake Kelly.
He is 2018 recruit. Not 2019. Being ranked so low going into your senior year is a concern to me. We aren't exactly a rebuilding team. We are a team building to be champions. That is why this is a head scratcher to me. Plus we are loaded(except at PG where we have 1). We can afford to hold off.
That said, Fran does know how to find the undervalued players. So we should be getting a decent player. But a great player (which our current team should only be going for eg Joe W)? We can afford to hold off offering...
Hope this guy can play some D. But again I trust Fran. So I will leave it at that.
As for AJ Green, he is playing for his dad. If anyone is going to respect that, it is Fran.
My compliments to Hawkeye Report. We have a much better basketball educated fan base than other sites. Researching this morning meant lurking other locations and wow, one can really tell the difference between what I'd call a clued in location and some out in the hills guess at it hicks.
Some things I may have found, depending on the accuracy of the many links I clicked on. It appears Fredrick had offers from places like Nebraska, Penn State, an old offer from Crean, Xavier and Butler. There were other smaller schools including IUPUI or whatever initials, a school that appears to offer every kid in the Midwest (Kentucky is in the Midwest? We need to revisit this at some point.) and frankly I'm starting to feel bad for Five Letter College as they seem lonely.
My concern is that Crean offered. He is still out there somewhere and I fear for CJ's safety knowing how Clappy the Clown liked to stock up on players.
To be serious for a moment. I'm still overwhelmingly impressed that at least partially due to a relationship from years ago Iowa could earn a commit from a kid with offers to other Big Ten schools. Parents having money or not, and I've no idea, having that kind of relationship between assistant coach at Notre Dame and a former player? Entegrataye!!! (Integrity). You can recruit a kid, without Creaning, without a sure scholarship, and land him?!?!?
I don't know what kind of player Fredrick will end up being. But the way we landed him just impresses the heck out of me.
Some things I may have found, depending on the accuracy of the many links I clicked on. It appears Fredrick had offers from places like Nebraska, Penn State, an old offer from Crean, Xavier and Butler. There were other smaller schools including IUPUI or whatever initials, a school that appears to offer every kid in the Midwest (Kentucky is in the Midwest? We need to revisit this at some point.) and frankly I'm starting to feel bad for Five Letter College as they seem lonely.
My concern is that Crean offered. He is still out there somewhere and I fear for CJ's safety knowing how Clappy the Clown liked to stock up on players.
To be serious for a moment. I'm still overwhelmingly impressed that at least partially due to a relationship from years ago Iowa could earn a commit from a kid with offers to other Big Ten schools. Parents having money or not, and I've no idea, having that kind of relationship between assistant coach at Notre Dame and a former player? Entegrataye!!! (Integrity). You can recruit a kid, without Creaning, without a sure scholarship, and land him?!?!?
I don't know what kind of player Fredrick will end up being. But the way we landed him just impresses the heck out of me.
Seems like being a high percentage shooter from long-range is very important in today's game. Looks like Iowa got one of the very best.
It certainly says a lot about Fran as a coach and a person. For all those media types, and even some fans from time to time, who think Fran is some kind of raving lunatic. Just look at the facts. Fran has long term relationships with people all over who respect him. He has been able to keep this team together, to this point, without the normal defections. He has built a solid and valuable relationship with the strong AAU and high school programs in state.He's doing well adding in highly ranked players from other area's. All this has led to an aura of an upward trend around Iowa basketball. If the current and future players ride this wave, and push forward we could be seeing a new golden age of Hawkeye basketball! Its a great time to be a Hawk!
Great final point. You hear criticism of Fran, but I have never heard anyone question his integrity or how much he cares for his players. This obviously played a big role in this recruitment. As a fan who believes that college athletes should still be "student athletes", not pro-prep dudes who only care about their media exposure and likelihood to play at the next level, I am really happy that Fran is at Iowa.
Here's some Video of CJ Freddrick
Check out the pass from a teammate @:35
Third Video:
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/video-junior-guard-cj-fredrick-vs-holmes
Check out the pass from a teammate @:35
Third Video:
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/video-junior-guard-cj-fredrick-vs-holmes
Is it possible someone transfers after the overseas trip? A player who has not redshirted can transfer sitting out next year and be ready to go the following season. It would be possible as classes have not started yet. It would be a player who does not see themselves getting much playing time after making one final audition on this trip. Just a thought.
Fran has had his share of whiffs. The Andrew Fleming commitment came out of nowhere like this. Hopefully this guy has better athleticism and shooting ability than Flemming and actually sticks.
It's obvious Fran is expecting someone to not be there or He's paying his son's way. I'm thinking Cook going pro actually is on Fran's mind. A transfer is very possible since many guys will be disappointed with playing time this year in the likes of Dailey or Williams or a big that doesn't see the court.
With McCaffery's connection to CJ's family, this commitment should have us really excited. My guess is that Fran (moreso than most other college coaches) likely knows Fredrick's game pretty well and feels that he got a diamond in the rough.
It also seems like Fran prefers to have at least one player on the team is who is a shooting, off-guard type. He's had Gatens, Oglesby, Jok, Ellingson, and now Fredrick. From that standpoint, this commitment makes a lot of sense, as Brady will be graduating in two years, so CJ would take his place.
IMO, Dailey would be the strongest transfer candidate right now, but Cook taking large enough strides forward and choosing to go pro, Connor McC choosing baseball, or a grad transfer all seem like plausible options to open up a scholly
It also seems like Fran prefers to have at least one player on the team is who is a shooting, off-guard type. He's had Gatens, Oglesby, Jok, Ellingson, and now Fredrick. From that standpoint, this commitment makes a lot of sense, as Brady will be graduating in two years, so CJ would take his place.
IMO, Dailey would be the strongest transfer candidate right now, but Cook taking large enough strides forward and choosing to go pro, Connor McC choosing baseball, or a grad transfer all seem like plausible options to open up a scholly
Fran seems to be considering lots of possibilities, covering lots of bases. But one base he's always covered so far is the possibility of everyone staying. Fredrick walking on, as a legitimate D1 recruit, is certainly something I hadn't considered. Yet it could happen, with Fredrick's blessing. It looks like PT is going to be scarce at the end of the bench. But sometimes guys just like to be with an up and coming program.
Suppose someone like Dailey redshirted. Or Pemsl. I mention those 2 guys because they've recently been injured. Imagine them as seniors in 2020.
I don't know if "out of nowhere" counts when we offered in Sept, 2016. At that time 247Sports had Fredrick listed as a three star, ranked #181 in the 2018 class. He dropped pretty far between then and now but it sounds like his July play in AAU was pretty good.
Granted, we fans were/are surprised. But that's our job to not really know crud. And with the scholarship situation and our focus on 2019/2020, we probably have a good excuse to have not expected a 2018 get.
I just don't see any reason why Fran would provide a scholarship to either one of his kids. There's really no reason to. Save the but the kid earned it bullshit. Of course he did. But Fran makes enough money that it's like $100 to most of you. Paying his kids tuition has 0 negative effect in any way and is only positive
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