CJs TD run

[BeepBeepInMyJeep]

On that TD run, had it been ruled a fumble, it's out of bounds at the 1 foot line. Surely there's no way you could judge that to be a fumble at the 1 and then out of the end zone. So Iowa would have had 3rd and goal with 1 timeout left. Obviously you can't beat the 100% TD but you would have liked our chances even if it was wrongly overturned.

 

[BioHawk]

On that TD run, had it been ruled a fumble, it's out of bounds at the 1 foot line. Surely there's no way you could judge that to be a fumble at the 1 and then out of the end zone. So Iowa would have had 3rd and goal with 1 timeout left. Obviously you can't beat the 100% TD but you would have liked our chances even if it was wrongly overturned.

That's why I wasn't too concerned about it. I thought the same thing.

 

[BirdistheWord]

I thought it went out of bounds in the end zone would that not have been a touchback for IU? Not sure on the rule there.

 

[Shafthawk]

If you fumble it before crossing the line and it goes out of bounds in the endzone, it is a Touchback I believe. It was huge that they called it a TD on the field.

 

[mthawkeyes]

If you fumble it before crossing the line and it goes out of bounds in the endzone, it is a Touchback I believe. It was huge that they called it a TD on the field.

The ball went backwards from where it came loose. In other words, if the ruling is that CJ didn't make it to the goalline with the ball, there's no way the ball went out in the endzone.

 

[BirdistheWord]

The ball went backwards from where it came loose. In other words, if the ruling is that CJ didn't make it to the goalline with the ball, there's no way the ball went out in the endzone.

Not trying to be a jackhole, but didnt the ball go FORWARD into and out of the endzone (side anyway).

This is from Wikipedia, which of course is not gospel.

Touchback
A ball carrier fumbles the ball within the field of play forward into his opponents end zone and the loose ball then goes out of bounds behind or above his opponent's goal line or is recovered and downed by an opposing player in the end zone. The opposing team would be awarded the touchback.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

No, the ball went sideways out of bounds. If the officials had ruled CJ didn't break the plane, it would have been ours on the one inch line. However, he did break the plane. Go Hawks !

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

No, the ball went sideways out of bounds. If the officials had ruled CJ didn't break the plane, it would have been ours on the one inch line. However, he did break the plane. Go Hawks !

Ol' Doodle isn't sure if he broke the plane or not...but the ball most definitely, as you noted, did not go beyond the pylon after it came loose.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Ol' Doodle isn't sure if he broke the plane or not...but the ball most definitely, as you noted, did not go beyond the pylon after it came loose.

Agreed, though I thought it broke the plane. Why there is no camera right there is beyond me. The only view we had was close to the plane, but not right on it.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Agreed, though I thought it broke the plane. Why there is no camera right there is beyond me. The only view we had was close to the plane, but not right on it.

There was a straight down the goal line camera view from the other sideline. Looked to me from that replay that the ball broke the plane in CJ's possession -- but as everyone says, it was damn close.

 

[Hawktagonapus]

Not trying to be a jackhole, but didnt the ball go FORWARD into and out of the endzone (side anyway).

This is from Wikipedia, which of course is not gospel.

Touchback
A ball carrier fumbles the ball within the field of play forward into his opponents end zone and the loose ball then goes out of bounds behind or above his opponent's goal line or is recovered and downed by an opposing player in the end zone. The opposing team would be awarded the touchback.

No, the ball went to the side and backwards from where CJ had it. If it wasn't a touchdown, it couldn't have been a touchback.

 

[Buffhawk]

I watched the replay and it looked to had entered the plane. The concern I have is that in the three time he carried the ball, he lost it as he came down. Dodged a bullet!

 

[sloehawk]

There was a straight down the goal line camera view from the other sideline. Looked to me from that replay that the ball broke the plane in CJ's possession -- but as everyone says, it was damn close.

Agreed. Oddly enough the camera on the side of the field where the play actually occurred, made it look to me like he hadn't broken the plane. Then when they showed if from across the field, I thought he surely did, and at least to me, they had to count it based on that angle (couldn't overturn it anyway).

The ball did indeed go backwards and out when it came out of his hand. Worst case scenario was Iowa's ball at the 1/2 yard line (unless of course you count the litany of Reffing errors on the field and in replay booths that seem rampant lately!).

 

[Joes Place]

There was a straight down the goal line camera view from the other sideline. Looked to me from that replay that the ball broke the plane in CJ's possession -- but as everyone says, it was damn close.

Correct. On the 'near sideline' view, the ball came out pretty much horizontally (sideways, and even going backwards a smidge), but it was unclear based on the camera angle if he broke the plane.

The far side view showed the ball coming out about a foot past the goal line, and that angle was straight down the pylons. Combining those views, it was fairly obvious the right call was made: TD, IOWA!!!

 

[riley35]

No, the ball went sideways out of bounds. If the officials had ruled CJ didn't break the plane, it would have been ours on the one inch line. However, he did break the plane. Go Hawks !

He broke the plane, no doubt. the announcer that said it was out by one inch was stupid to even say that. How can he see one inch when CJ is 5ft in the air and going full speed. The ref. said he was over and to my biased eye he crossed into the white line which is much easier to see than saying he was one inch short.

 

[ABYPFCS]

I too thought the two different camera angles showed both whether it was a TD and also where the ball went out.
One angle, from the far side looked like he had clearly made it to the goal line, but also looked like the ball went out in the end zone.

The other angle appeared to me that he was a couple of inches short, but looked like the ball went out of bounds before the goal line.

My worst fear was that they would over turn and say he did not score and the ball went out in the end zone, giving the ball to Indiana at the 20 yard line.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I think the right call was made, but man, was it close to a touchback. If they'd said he hadn't broken the plane of the goal line and the ball had been fumbled just a few inches forward, it's IU ball at the 20. Incredibly close play, and could have been a huge game-changer in IU's favor. Great example of how football is sometimes very literally a game of inches.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

By the way, I'd like to give Derrick Mitchell props for making this play happen in the first place.

Yes, C.J. still had to leap over a pile of bodies.....but that pile of bodies was created by Mitchell getting a nice cut block on the first of the 3 Indiana players pursuing Beathard. The rest tripped over the pile created and Beathard was able to dive in.

Had Mitchell not thrown that block, at least one of those guys would've gotten to him before C.J. got to the endzone.

 

[northernboarderhawk]

I felt he crossed the line from the first look, reason was it looked like the ball was knocked out by the defenders helmet and his helmet was on the inside of the line. It was a close call but in the end I fell they got it right.