The Big 12 is better top to bottom because they only have 10 teams and the Big 10 has 14 plus the bottom teams in the Big 10 are much worse than the bottom teams in the Big 12. I don't understand in what situation the Big Ten would come out ahead in rankings considering taking away bottom teams from one conference and not the other doesn't work. You could say the top 10 of the Big 10 is better than the all ten in the Big 12 but top to bottom the Big 12 is better
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The Big 12 is better top to bottom because they only have 10 teams and the Big 10 has 14 plus the bottom teams in the Big 10 are much worse than the bottom teams in the Big 12. I don't understand in what situation the Big Ten would come out ahead in rankings considering taking away bottom teams from one conference and not the other doesn't work. You could say the top 10 of the Big 10 is better than the all ten in the Big 12 but top to bottom the Big 12 is better
Based upon the information in this thread, the B1G should get as many teams in the dance as the Big 12.
Not even the teams ranked 2, 3, 6, 12, and 13 in today's ESPN Power Rankings (updated after last night)? Biased at all? Part of me wants ISU to finish 4th in the Big 12, Iowa to win the Big 10, and still listen to you dummies say the Big 10 is better.
I really want to give Iowa credit, I like their team and how they play, but with fans like these, it's hard.
Top of the Big 12 is great this year. KU, ISU and OU all have a chance to go far in the tournament and it is because of experienced players just like Iowa. I know Simmons gets a ton of pub about being the best player in the country but I think it has to be Hield. The guy is getting all the defenses attention and he still goes out and puts up 26 points a night and continues to shoot 50% from 3. He is a great example of a kid that could have left last year and been a second round pick but came back for his senior season and worked hard to get better and now he is a first rounder and looks like he could step in right away next year and contribute to an NBA team.
It's been almost 3 decades since a Big 12 team other than Kansas has made the championship game. You'd think with all these highly ranked Big 12 teams, this year is their shot. We shall see....
I personally am a HUGE Iowa fan and I think the Big 12 is tougher up top. I think that KU, WV, and OU are all elite teams. ISU, Texas, and even Baylor are pretty good. After that, the bottom 4 are pretty bad. TCU, K-state, OSU, and Texas Tech are just bad. I realize they are ranked highly according to KenPom, but they are not that good. Same as the Big 10, you have solid 3 teams up top, then you have the next tier who are good and then you follow it up with the bottom feeders.
The one thing that has stood out to me in the Big 12 conference is the way the officials call the game. I could not believe they allow that much contact in games? Last night Heild was trying to make moves and Thomas, Morris and others had their hands all over him. The officials let it play on. Same thing on ISU's end, they wouldn't allow Morris or Thomas to turn the corner, every time they were holding and extending their hands out. They were at least consistent last night, but I think that will hurt them come tournament time. Officials are told to call the freedom of movement, and if they are hindered to call a foul. Last night I counted at least 15 no calls that should of been called. Be interesting to see how they handle it come tournament time.
Overall I think both conferences are good and each has their own set of solid teams. Both conferences its important to protect your home floor, because road wins are hard to come by on the road. Should be a fun February in both leagues. The races are still WIDE OPEN, with tons of basketball left to be played.
The one thing that has stood out to me in the Big 12 conference is the way the officials call the game. I could not believe they allow that much contact in games? Last night Heild was trying to make moves and Thomas, Morris and others had their hands all over him. The officials let it play on. Same thing on ISU's end, they wouldn't allow Morris or Thomas to turn the corner, every time they were holding and extending their hands out. They were at least consistent last night, but I think that will hurt them come tournament time. Officials are told to call the freedom of movement, and if they are hindered to call a foul. Last night I counted at least 15 no calls that should of been called. Be interesting to see how they handle it come tournament time.
Overall I think both conferences are good and each has their own set of solid teams. Both conferences its important to protect your home floor, because road wins are hard to come by on the road. Should be a fun February in both leagues. The races are still WIDE OPEN, with tons of basketball left to be played.
Hard to argue is a conference is that tough when it consistently fails to get teams, and I mean just one single team, past the sweet 16. I know B12 fans like to say that it's only because of the tournament match ups, but if you're struggling with UAB, Georgia St, and Wichita St, you aren't going to find many matchups you like in the tournament.
I fully expect the Big Ten to have a better NCAA tournament than the Texas Ten just as we have the past 4-5 years.
Will Kinky come back and tell us how overrated the Texas Ten was when this occurs?
I am betting we won't see or hear from Kinky in that scenario. He will do as all great clown fans and run away and hide.
Hey Kinky I see you are touting the ESPN power rankings.
Is this now the flavor of the week for clown fans? They have touted Sagarin, Ken Pom, AP Poll, Coaches Poll, RPI and Dance Card in the past only to cast it aside whenever it doesn't support one of their pathetic arguments.
How long will you cling to this one?
Great logic there, the B10's seventh place team beat the B12's first place team. How does that fit in your argument?
Wow! OK, the Clowns won a game at home against the #1 ranked team. Good win for them. But why does that encourage all these Clown fans to post about it on a Hawkeye board? Looking for validation much?
And the 6th place team in the BIG XII beat the first place team in the B1G. What is your point?
That drawing conclusions from one game sample sizes is dumb, see quoted post.
No, we come to the rivals' Iowa mssg board to correct you on statements that are false, and to also let you know that ISU is the only team from the state to beat the #1 team that was playing with a full squad and not missing their star player.
Iowa, unlike isu was able to beat the team that was ranked #1 on the road with their full compliment of players.
Must that be ignored? Of course it must be, clown fan has no argument otherwise.
Keep trying though maybe some mess would help.
Iowa didn't beat a #1 team on the road and when they beat the #1 team at home they were without their best player. Both were great wins and the road victory was much more impressive even though MSU wasn't ranked as high. I don't care where Michigan State is ranked or how healthy Valentine is winning at Michigan State is a big win
You are not even good at trolling much anymore clonewithagroan (aka: fan who claims NOT to be an isu fan !)
How did isu do in Norman earlier this season? Seem that I can recall, Iowa playing Michigan State and Valentine in East Lansing, Michigan last Thursday and coming away with the victory.
Keep hoping.... basketball is about all you, the non-fan of isu have left.
This really exemplifies why its basically impossible to compare the two conferences anymore. The Big 10 having four more schools than the Big 12 makes it impossible to fairly compare the two. Trying to argue about which is better is pointless.
Again, I might suggest you bring that to the attention of the many isu fans that just cannot keep themselves from doing just that....
Okay lets all take a step back and take a deep breath!
Both teams beat the #1 ranked team along with UNI. The state of Iowa is doomsville for the #1 ranking. I doubt no other teams come in here sporting the #1 ranking the rest of the year (KU could I guess if they win this weekend, but it looks more like UNC or Xavier will take the top spot).
Regardless its a huge wins for all 3 programs. It was seriously looking like all 3 teams would make the dance, but UNI has fallen off the wagon and not looking like only Iowa and ISU will be in the dance.
Both teams beat the #1 ranked team along with UNI. The state of Iowa is doomsville for the #1 ranking. I doubt no other teams come in here sporting the #1 ranking the rest of the year (KU could I guess if they win this weekend, but it looks more like UNC or Xavier will take the top spot).
Regardless its a huge wins for all 3 programs. It was seriously looking like all 3 teams would make the dance, but UNI has fallen off the wagon and not looking like only Iowa and ISU will be in the dance.
No, they weren't #1 when the hawks beat them on the road., and I believe Valentine was just getting back. MSU is starting to show they were vastly overated.
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Vastly operated? Even for you, clonewithagroan this is a new standard of stupidity.
If MSU is so 'vastly operated', one can only wonder what you would say about UAB from a certain NCAA game last March.... but, of course, being the non-isu fan that you are, who knows or really cares what you think?
They weren't #1 because the Hawks beat them in Iowa City. Does clown fan need an education as to how rankings work?
The Texas Ten is the text book definition of overated and have been for the past 4-5 years in both football and men's basketball. Claim they are awesome and then piss down their legs when the post season hits.
Owned yet again. Clown fan must ignore anything and everything that blows their piss poor argument out of the water.
More please.
The ISU threads on this board crack me up. Iowa's having one of its most successful seasons in decades, yet the most popular thread is an attempt to discredit the clowns for beating the #1 team in the country. lol
Its like that not-so-pretty girl who hates the best looking girl in school simply because she's hot.
so funny.
Its like that not-so-pretty girl who hates the best looking girl in school simply because she's hot.
so funny.
Some facts/numbers that you can try to argue, but you can't. Even from the Worldwide Leader, who loves the Big 10.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/p...-show-big-12-is-best-most-exciting-conference
Actually it is clown fan that is discrediting Iowa for beating a #1 team. In fact had Iowa not beaten MSU isu wouldn't have had the opportunity to beat #1 last night.
Oh right must ignore that because clown fan can't grasp the obvious.
They would have been #1 had (wait for it........) Iowa not already beaten them.
Didn't the 6th place team in the Texas Ten beat the 1st place team in the Big 10?
There it is. Pointing out the obvious just isn't fair when playing with clown fans.
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