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Coaches Rankings and RPI

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Coaches Ranking

125 Lee #1
133 Schriever #27
141 Woods #2
149 Murin #8
157 Siebrecht #10
165 Kennedy #8
174 Brands #20
184 Assad #11
197 Warner #9
285 Cassioppi #2

RPI (must have 15 matches against D1)

125 Lee NR not enough matches
133 Schriever NR
141 Woods NR
149 Murin #12
157 Siebrecht NR
165 Kennedy #4
174 Brands NR
184 Assad #11
197 Warner NR
285 Cassioppi #9
 
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We seem to have an increasing issue with guys not getting enough matches to pre earn spots. Hopefully we don't get burned on it sometime.
 
Maybe Schreiver is on the mend or CC has taught him how to wrestle with one arm. I got to say he did look slicker and more offensive that Teske, just couldnt finish with the bad arm and had trouble getting out from bottom.
 
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We seem to have an increasing issue with guys not getting enough matches to pre earn spots. Hopefully we don't get burned on it sometime.

There are only two or three top ranked wrestlers who are also in the RPI. It’s really weird.
 
In the past, I thought the coaches did a pretty decent job with the rankings. Not sure who is doing 133 and HWT, but they should get booted. HWT is probably the easiest to get 1-4 right and they failed miserably. How any coach does not have RBY as the 1 at 133 is mind blowing. There has to be coaches forgetting to add guys who are at the match minimums. Either way, it's unacceptable.
 
In the past, I thought the coaches did a pretty decent job with the rankings. Not sure who is doing 133 and HWT, but they should get booted. HWT is probably the easiest to get 1-4 right and they failed miserably. How any coach does not have RBY as the 1 at 133 is mind blowing. There has to be coaches forgetting to add guys who are at the match minimums. Either way, it's unacceptable.
Kerk didn’t have enough matches to get ranked the first time. My guess is some coaches didn’t rank him again because they only modified their first set and didn’t add anyone that got enough matches because they don’t hardly look at them. So Cass had an average from some rank 3s and some rank 2s. Where Kerk had an average from some rank 2s and some NRs.
 
The thing is, if this is going to be used for anything meaningful, such as seeding. You have to start to make adjustments to the rules! If there is some kind of minimum matches needed? Common sense might have to override it in some cases. Obviously SL should be #1 for example. In his case it most likely will not make a difference, but what if it did?

For example, if you seeded him anywhere but 1st in B!Gs, someone else might get hosed!!! He comes out maybe against a wrestler who he shouldn't have met till the finals could happen. Then it could affect NCAAs where that same kid does not have the seed he maybe should have?
 
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@HawkeyeMass is right. Its unacceptable, they have to find a way to do it correctly!

And the way ncaa has been added the past few years is a joke as well.
 
My guess is the coaches poll is actually the Assistant AD poll, similar to football. That can explain some of the problems.
 
Kerk didn’t have enough matches to get ranked the first time. My guess is some coaches didn’t rank him again because they only modified their first set and didn’t add anyone that got enough matches because they don’t hardly look at them. So Cass had an average from some rank 3s and some rank 2s. Where Kerk had an average from some rank 2s and some NRs.
If what you postulate is correct so much for credibility of these rankings.
 
I wish they were meaningless. Don’t these rankings have some sway over seeding criteria at NCAA’s or did I dream that?
I don’t recall any recent huge gaffes at D-1 seeding with any obvious over sites, but unless you closely follow the sport, you won’t know who the top guys are. Somehow Big Ton has a loss to Kerk and is ranked 9th. He beat Davidson head to head and is somehow ranked several spots behind him. Schultz has a number of losses but is ranked 4th. No rhyme or reason, it looks like they just randomly pulled names out of a hat.
 
I wish they were meaningless. Don’t these rankings have some sway over seeding criteria at NCAA’s or did I dream that?
I don't know for sure, but the NCAA seeds recently have been pretty decent other than a few outliers. If it does, I doubt it is more than 15% of the overall formula to seed them.
 
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I don’t recall any recent huge gaffes at D-1 seeding with any obvious over sites, but unless you closely follow the sport, you won’t know who the top guys are. Somehow Big Ton has a loss to Kerk and is ranked 9th. He beat Davidson head to head and is somehow ranked several spots behind him. Schultz has a number of losses but is ranked 4th. No rhyme or reason, it looks like they just randomly pulled names out of a hat.
You were looking at the RPI. Scroll up. There’s two sets of rankings on that document. The first set is coaches rankings the second set is RPI.
 
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