I can describe it as i watch it. I'm watching the isu game right now to get the bad taste out of my mouth. I'm not exactly good at linking things. I wasn't defending Fran. Terrible time to get a double technical but i am saying that I've never seen a t assessed like that before. Fran took 1 step out of the box and stopped. He genuinely looked surprised by the t and then he got his money's worth. What i don't get is why Green blew his whistle and Fran was reacting to him. Regardless it was a failure all around. I am hoping that they use this game to up the intensity for Wed. Northwestern is playing as good as anyone in the big right now but with our shooting and turnovers we didn't have much of a chance.
Confused about the 2 techs Fran had
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someone got the clip on Twitter. Patrick literally got the T for turning to the ref and saying that was a bad call. Didn’t swear, didnt make an obscene gesture, just that comment.
First, Fran’s behavior is far short of Knight, and it’s as much reputation as anything else. Second, if Fran is going to get Tee’d up for that, then just about every coach should get one T per game for stepping outside the box…it’s simply almost never called.
I’ve said for years, I’d give good money for this to be a point of emphasis to get the point across, because coaches stepping on the court during games happens all the damn time.
That’s what it was announced the T was for.
When Fran “pops” it is really bad....like tonight. And he has a tough time at Madtown. He knows this ref is after his scalp...he needs to act accordingly. Bob Knight was very similar....and when he popped it was not pretty. I’m sorry sober....I find tonight’s “T’s” were not necessary in the least. Yeah Fran got a bad call but the ref made the call and it was not wrong. Sometimes I find Fran’s behavior a little overbearing and boorish. And he is really a nice guy most of the time.
Yes. He stopped one step out of the box, no yelling or anything. He genuinely looked surprised at getting the t then he got pissed. I'm not defending Fran here. Not my intention at all. I'm saying it looked like a setup. I'm not a conspiracy nut. I fully believe we landed on the moon. But fran stopped on his own because the play was continuing. He wasn't restrained until after the first t. I'm honestly befuddled at the first t. Reffing didn't cost us the game but that t was unwarranted. The 2nd not at all. He earned it. If he hadn't gotten a t do we have a chance at winning? I don't think so. After, definitely not.
Yep...I think Fran is on a real short leash with this guy..... and I think the guy knew he missed the 10 sec call....but Fran was “out of the box” which can be cited for a technical....and Fran earned the 2nd “T” the old fashioned way...that guy from NW could still be shooting free throws!
That’s what the refs gave the TV announcers as the reason for the techs, so yes, I tend to believe them.
Does anyone else notice a certain cohort of the iowa bball team, coaches and players, make sure that someone is holding them back or restraining before erupting or jawing? It’s like that scene in the Mighty Ducks 2 where Goldberg has his two teammates hold him back from someone a lot bigger and stronger than him. Guys like Perkins and Rebraca certainly don’t fall in this category. Tough as nails.
Does anyone remember the officials who were involved in this wonderful incident in Columbus? This is the night that changed how I felt about Fran and Connor to a lesser degree. Team was getting killed in every way and they were acting like little bitches whining to the refs when the game was over. Just totally disgraceful watching it live, if I
was on that crew or one of their friends I'd definitely hold a grudge
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was on that crew or one of their friends I'd definitely hold a grudge
Iowa coach Fran McCaffery suspended over incident with official following Ohio State loss
McCaffery chose to let one ref hear his thoughts about the officiating after the game on Tuesday
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First Patrick turning twice to the ref was a slight and showing up the ref when the ref was already juiced up. I dont think the ref was Green but secondly, dont tell the ref it was a bad call.
There were a whole lot of bad calls, missed big bumps and chops and pushes. jNW turned their defensive lane into a mixer of contact.
Just play through it and try to win, then complain later. Fran can send letters and tape to the Big 10 office but the best he can get is an apology.
Bad call or not....sometimes it is best to say absolutely nothing. Everyone’s blood is boiling at this point in time. Do you think the Boys heard the, “Where’s your daddy?” chants the students delivered shortly after Fran’s departure?
It may have been “a good year for the roses” but it was a bad day for the Hawks yesterday in Evanston.
There were several times in the game that the refs warned Fran about staying in the box and to stop with his comments. Fran knew this game was over and he flipped out, he earned and probably wanted both techs.
For being foot outside the box? Colling was out toward half court all night. That was total buullshit. And Green's MO is to T a coach after he f's up a call. He sucks.
Was Collins ever warned about stepping outside the box? Undoubtedly he wasn’t warned about his comments, but he was way outside the box all night.
I don’t remember seeing any warnings, but I also didn’t see/hear Collins chirping at the refs throughout the game. Refs will give coaches some leeway but they will only take so much.
I think we all know that while being out of the box was the "official" reason for Fran's first T, it certainly wasn't the primary reason...
Officials have to have thicker skins than a player turning and saying it was a bad call. I could understand if Patrick used a naughty word/obscene gesture but that’s not what happened.
And it’s also quite clear that some coaches get a lot more leeway than others. Pretty much every coach chirps at whichever ref is nearby as they game moved up and down the court.
Saw numerous occasions where Collins yesterday was on the court and nothing was said.
We know from the clip that Patrick turned, said something to the ref, turned back and the ref called the T. Didn’t look heated, didn’t make a gesture, just turned and made a comment. Shouldn’t have been a T.
Ahhhhhh, maybe because he deserves to has his pitiful excuse of a stripes ass chewed on and Fran is more than willing to oblige.
What if he had said "f- you, I didn't touch him. That call was bulls***." Does that draw the T?
I'm not suggesting that is what he said, but since we don't know what he said, it could have been something that justified the call. Or it could have been a crappy ref who had his feelings hurt.
We don't know if 5 minutes before that the ref told him he'd heard enough and anything else would be a T. That's certainly possible. We absolutely cannot make a decision on whether it was a good or bad call based on a 5 second clip, we don't have all of the information.
It was a very close call. The replay had shown that it was to ten seconds about 1/10 to a second. In live time unassisted by replay, hard to see the touch of ball and clock at same time. Just to close in live time to expect the refs to catch it all the time. Fran should not have lost his cool. Iowa still had a chance to come back until that. That ended the game.
based on the video, there’s nothing to dictate that what Patrick said was all that heated.
I can’t recall a single moment where the ref clearly warned him. It’s certainly possible, but that clip absolutely looked like a quick trigger.
it wasn’t that close, and officials have to make split-second decisions on a call like that often.
and Fran didn’t really lose his cool until he got ejected. One T for the situation would have been warranted and I wouldn’t argue that. Two Ts in quick succession like that was an overreaction.
It was a quick trigger, which is why I'm assuming he warned him. Unless you were in the stands watching him the whole time you wouldn't know if was warned.
I don’t think that’s true, necessarily. Coaches can provide feedback to the scheduler, and they often do, but don’t think they can simply ban a ref.
The fact that we are in year 13 with FM and he still acts like an idiot on the sideline because of terrible B1G officiating is time to move on if he can’t understand that you are going to get calls for and against you. Focus on coaching up your team and not whining and bitching at the officials for every call you don’t think went your way. Work the officials from time to time but move on and coach up your boys.
When Fran looses it, he lets go. In this situation, it just made a big deficit almost impossible to overcome. Sadly, nothing will happen to the officials, who keep making the same mistakes and are too arrogant to learn from them. It is frequently the same guys over and over again. If someone is worse than Courtney Green right now, I haven't seen them.
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Collins was out of the box and grabbed a Purdue player's arm on the court. He didn't get called for squat or any postgame consequences. I still haven't figured that one out.
Play better. Take the refs out of the game. It's stupid to get tossed out of a game for 2 technicals. He hurts his own team, not just in that game, but by reputation, in future games. Maybe at one time when he first got here it was sort of a shot in the arm for a program that was at the bottom of the barrel, but now it's a cliche, almost a parody. You can debate the merits of these Ts, the competence of the ref, whether he has some vendetta for Fran, or whether other coaches are worse or are excused for the same behavior as Fran, but Fran should shut up and do his job during the game.
To say that Frans primary focus isn’t on coaching up his players is ridiculous.
Fran doesn’t really work officials any differently than other coaches do, but because of the reputation he built up his first few years he gets far less leeway from officials.
It is important for coaches and players to have an ongoing dialog with officials that shows some mutual respect during the game. I think Connor is very good at this, and probably gets away with saying more to most officials, than players, who say nothing and then confront an official who made a questionable call. Same is true for coaches. Unfortunately, some officials (and coaches) hold grudges. I think there is a mutual lack of respect between Fran and Courtney Green. I doubt that Fran is the only coach who knows Green is not a good official.
And the Indiana coach deserved BOTH the "T's" he was awarded, too.....You don't TOUCH the referee and expect not to get "T'd up" (2nd technical)......and Woodson worked the refs pretty damn hard to get his first T.......
Gunner...folks are having a hard time understanding that the sun doesn't shine on the same dog's rump every day......NW's turn to get some sunshine........
