Confused about the 2 techs Fran had
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I've seen Izzo grab an official's arm, spin him around, then lecture him. No "T." So apparently some coaches ARE allowed to touch a referee.
Some times it seems like Izzo could bend a ref's wife over and bang her right in front of them, and all the ref would say would be "sorry for blowing the call, coach".
And do enlighten us how exactly Fran will be the winner in this conflict long term? People act like good for Fran, Green had an ass chewing coming. Great, but pretty damn short sighted thinking. So Fran wins the battle, getting to blow his cork, but loses the war, getting tossed, AND only heightens the ongoing feud with Green and other refs. He will NEVER get the upper hand in this ongoing feud, and will only do himself and his team damage with calls going forward and a short leash in these out bursts. This is a no win situation for Fran, and he's played a major role in it ever getting this far.
I don't disagree, but we are where we are at this point. So going forward does he try to defuse the issue as much as possible, or does he do more of the death stare while supposedly being held back thing he does? Is this going to help him with the brotherhood of the stripes?
He will never be the winner of this ongoing feud. Fran has proven in the past he’s going to get it off his shoulder, blow a cork, lose his mind, right or wrong. One would like to believe, at some point, there is enough information presented on film there should a be closer look at this guys competence as a BIG referee. Along with the others that have proven in the past they have inefficiencies on the court. Being a stripe is tough gig. Being consistent shouldn’t be.
Do we really know what tripped his trigger this time, or what was actually said? I don’t, but the non ending fuse was lit long ago and it appears it isn’t going to take much to touch him off during games. Do I agree with his going off and throwing a tantrum while his team is playing like crap? Nah, but it’s an ongoing story in its 13th year and I doubt it’ll change anytime soon.
What got Fran upset was the missed 10 second violation which, while it was close, was also clear that they missed the call. Took a couple steps onto the court - not egregiously so, we see coaches do so all the time, and official T’d him up immediately. Fran shouted a little about the missed call and then got the second T.
I could understand one T, but it was a very quick step to that second T.
Got the missed call on the missed 10 second violation but there's been an ongoing thing with Green, Sicotta and others for the past few years. Iowa is NOT the only school that gets questionable calls from these two but with the volume over the past few years there are plenty of reasons why there should be some reviews by the higher ups about the quality and consistency of the BIG group of Stripes.
Most officials will tell you, if a coach says "that's a sh!tty f***ing call," that's probably a warning at most - unless the bench has already been warned.
But if you say "you're a sh!tty f***ing official," that an automatic T.
Many coaches in the Big Ten and elsewhere yell, scream and swear a lot. But they have also learned to not make it personal. Fran still crosses that line regularly, and it's why it sometimes seems like there is a double-standard from TV and the 30th row.
But if you say "you're a sh!tty f***ing official," that an automatic T.
Many coaches in the Big Ten and elsewhere yell, scream and swear a lot. But they have also learned to not make it personal. Fran still crosses that line regularly, and it's why it sometimes seems like there is a double-standard from TV and the 30th row.
It really doesn't matter. Fran has been a marked man for years and nothing he will do going forward will change it.
The only option is to never say anything to an official, never set foot outside the coaching box, and just stand stoically.
Extreme reactions are fun for message boards, but there is a whole lot of middle ground to be found here. He could just act like a normal human being. Getting mad once in a while isn't a big deal, but if you do it with the underlying premise that we are all just people and mistakes are sometimes made, you'd be surprised how far that can go to keep disagreements somewhat civil and allow for a productive future relationship.
I'm not sure Fran is equipped to be able to do that, let alone stand stoically.
Refs beg coaches and players to give them the slightest reason to T them up, a lot of times.
Constantly see refs make a call and then either stop & stare down the fouler or will stare at them for most of the jog over near the scorer's table to clearly indicate who fouled and what the foul call was to the scorekeeper(s).
That is some effing enticement BS and it happens all the time.
I wish Fran could keep his cool a little better, but any coach is liable to blow up a bit after watching the reffing screw his team over for a long period of time.
Especially when its officials like Green or Szelc or Scirotto who seem to make it a point to make calls - or don't make calls they should - that will set off the coaches who are a bit more likely to aggressively complain, even if need to wait for the build-up to overflow.
Constantly see refs make a call and then either stop & stare down the fouler or will stare at them for most of the jog over near the scorer's table to clearly indicate who fouled and what the foul call was to the scorekeeper(s).
That is some effing enticement BS and it happens all the time.
I wish Fran could keep his cool a little better, but any coach is liable to blow up a bit after watching the reffing screw his team over for a long period of time.
Especially when its officials like Green or Szelc or Scirotto who seem to make it a point to make calls - or don't make calls they should - that will set off the coaches who are a bit more likely to aggressively complain, even if need to wait for the build-up to overflow.
I disagree that Fran crosses that line regularly. It turned into a cliche because of how often he did so early on to fight for his guys; but the last few years he has more often done so strategically; either to prove a point if he thinks he has to, or to light a fire under his guys if they came out flat.
His temper remains an issue, but the extent to which it does is greatly exaggerated. You’d think all other b10 coaches are saints based on how Fran gets talked about sometimes.
He’s never hit another coach, so he’s at least got that going for him 😁
i do agree Fran has kept it together pretty well for the last several years. He got a reputation early in his time at Iowa and really hasn’t lost it.
But this year it seems he has somewhat regressed back to his earlier years.
This team has struggled with consistency more than other recent teams; they seem to get stuck if shots aren’t falling.
Which is weird to me because we have several guys that can attack the basket and that’s when they’re at their best imo.
Thank you for sharing that link. I had not seen it last year. Very well done.This satire piece from a year ago is almost as funny as most of Courtney Green’s calls. Almost. (I think it’s satire…)
Iowa-Rutgers Referees Speak Out
After negative attention following the contested conclusion of Hawkeyes-Scarlet Knights, Off Tackle Empire obtained the transcript of the Big Ten referees speaking with the assembled media.www.offtackleempire.com
In that game, The first technical they said was in the bench ?? I guess it wasn't on Woodson. Touching the ref got him a T. Woodson got a break, he should have be tossed.
FWIW, there were three asst. coaches and Fran out of the box. They could have called a bench technical and Fran not have been tossed. That crew always is looking to toss Fran.
You don't call a Ref Green) an Fing cheater and it not come back around often. Green has thin skin and hates to be called out when he makes a mistake.
It wouldn't surprise me if Fran has called Green a "cheater" or worse, but the incident you are thinking of involved Steve McJunkins, not Green.
Yet, Bain and Hightower were two of the busiest officials in college basketball during their careers. And fellas, admits it,...if a ref is not competent, he ain't going to be assigned...and assigned "big" games.....
Bain's sin (against Iowa/Lute) was he whistled the foul on the wrong guy.....Iowa did foul the (Purdue?) player....Bain just called it on the wrong number. Also....Bain was doubled scheduled that day, I believe but I believe conferences have made arrangements to eliminate this practice long ago.
Do your realize tha the "Bain" incident occured more than 40 years ago? 40 phuquin' years ago! Bain won his lawsuit and his judgment against Iowa fans in 1985.
Isn't this time to "let it go"? Water under the bridge......Move on!!?
I think it's pretty obvious based on Fran's, JBo's, and Connor's behavior on the court and on twitter they think officials are out to get them and that it's personal. Izzo goes crazy and I don't like it but I think the officials don't believe it's personal. And IMO, that's the big difference.
Well when one coach sees other coaches engage in similar behavior and don’t face similar punishments, it’s also easy for the coach to think it’s personal.
I forget who, but someone a few years back made a clip of sideline behavior of Fran vs others, especially Izzo. Fran has never gotten the benefit of the doubt like Izzo or Painter do.
Again, I think it's that some coaches are loud and angry - but still don't make it personal. That's a key difference from the perspective of an official.
Sure, but that goes both ways. If Fran sees other coaches behave similarly and he’s the only one that gets penalized why would he not think it was personal?
I've never heard of Izzo following a ref into the tunnel to scream at him that he's a cheating mf'er. That's the point, the behavior isn't the same.
Like baseball, there are magic words you just can't say, or you get tossed. Fran is a hot head most games and his coaches have to try and keep him under control. Thought his anger management was better earlier in the season, but the grind must be getting to him!
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that’s possible. Although I don’t think it was ever very good. Just seems like fran has been far more animated this year than the last several.
I watched the call and it was green. Caught you in another lie. That's twice today troll boy.
Like baseball, there are magic words you just can't say, or you get tossed. Fran is a hot head most games and his coaches have to try and keep him under control. Thought his anger management was better earlier in the season, but the grind must be getting to him!
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Fran is a hothead most games? LOL. No.
And Green deserves every criticism he receives, absolutely one of the worst officials in the business but there are plenty of others that are inept as well. Missing a 10 second call is nearly inexcusable, it’s one of the easiest calls in the game to make. FWIW that crew missed another obvious 10 second violation with about 1:30 left in the game, not that they give a crap. Be consistent and please try to be better, it’s not that damn difficult.
Izzo just went nuts over a call and was out of the box.
Maybe an unseen warning, as he did glance down and kinda move back to where he was supposed to be (for a second, before going back out of the box) - but of course no T.
And guess who's reffing. Green and Scirotto.
Maybe an unseen warning, as he did glance down and kinda move back to where he was supposed to be (for a second, before going back out of the box) - but of course no T.
And guess who's reffing. Green and Scirotto.
I get calling out Connor and Fran but JBo? I don't remember him getting into it w officials or t'd up. Are you still bitter about the shoes at Hilton half court thing? Understandable but you should prob just let it go....
BTW, do you have a Texas ISU score? We don't get the longhorn network up in here
No, he's been tweeting pretty consistently about the officials and he's said that he thought 20% of the games he played in were fixed.
