It seems I was crafting my reply while you had submitted something very similar.
Congrats to Kirk Ferentz, #1 in wins in Program History; Angerer says KF is "Greatest of all time."
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It seems I was crafting my reply while you had submitted something very similar.
Ive always felt that the real hardcore pro Ferentz guys must think like this.
Its just like all the 7-5 seasons are instantly forgotten and explained away as the aberations.
When really its allot closer to the opposite.
Very few "hardcore" KF guys in here. There are quite a few well read College Football fans that realize there are only 4, think about that.... 4 Coaches currently coaching that have won NC's...back in the day I was a pretty big Colorado Buffalo fan and I miss watching the flex-bone. With that said, they only won one NC (which was debatable, 5th down anyone) and they had some absolutely awesome teams and where are they now?! Same with Washington, they are only now getting back in line.
The real reality is Iowa is actually pretty good, they just aren't appreciated by the fans because they have been spoiled, by the coach they want fired.
Well, I do find 7-5 seasons to be less memorable, mostly because it's just a football season and it's more enjoyable to treasure the great seasons. That shouldn't be a particularly hot take though.
It's even easier to not focus on them when there actually are other great seasons, if there weren't, test the coaching carousel makes more sense.
I just find it a very low probability that we find someone who will be both: better and stay.
Maybe. Depends on if you consider 7-5 good.
We play some really manageable schedules.
It just depends on how you veiw it I guess.
I get that, I don't remember them either but they're so frequent now.
I have way more vivid memories of games from 15 years ago than any time in the last 7.
I miss Iowa being good.
Weve slipped allot this decade and I dont think people are being honest with themselves about it.
meh
IN has 1 top 10 commit from in state(rated lower than the 3 IA has )
IL/NW combine for 1 top 10 IL commit
Yeah, 2011 to 2014 was a bad stretch, throw in 2010 because that team had such a high ceiling, but the last three seasons have been pretty good collectively.
Some of that might be some nostalgia and how great it was to be "back", now the expectations are higher because of the success.
If you're feeling down, imagine how Nebraska fans feel coming off their unprecedented success to what most programs would consider pretty good but no conference championships or major bowl appearances.
I wonder in 15-20 years if people start remembering KF differently, much like they do with Fry. I remember a lot of bitching about Fry when he was coaching. I guess no matter what we will always have bitter ass holes who love to hear themselves talk (or see themselves type)
Pat Angerer calls KF the greatest of all time. How can you get better than that, YET YOU, some anonymous poster, wants better. Ok.
Is Pat wrong when he calls KF the greatest of all time and you, some anonymous poster, correct?
I will go with Pat on this one; he played for KF and he played in the NFL He knows football. You are just some anonymous nobody who uses an occasional "lol" and an occasional analogy in his posts.
and i remember people used to bitch that Fry played too many cupcakes in the nonconference where it did not prepare us for conference play
but hey, lets keep building Fry up into something he wasn't
I just think its really hard to win now a days in college football and its going to be hard to beat teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Clemson and Alabama as long as their head coaches are there. And now Georgia and Miami are trending upward. There are just a lot of good teams out there.
Under Fry we were #1 in the country in 1985 and couldn't quite get there (in terms of winning a national championship). In 2015, 30 years later, we were all so close too to making the CFP Final 4. Can we get close to winning a national championship? Yeah, but getting close does not happen that often and then actually wining the CFP wont be at all easy.
It took HF 20 years to get to 143; took KF just 19.
Both coaches have the same winning percentage so number of games played is irrelevant.
Hayden was fortunate to get to play VERY BAD Northwestern, Wisconsin and Iowa State teams; KF was not that fortunate. And when you add the 2 other cupcakes Hayden would schedule, there is 5 easy wins right there. What is surprising is why Hayden did not win more games with the easy schedule he had year in and year out.
No wonder Pat Angerer calls KF the greatest of all time.
You are likely correct. I don't get too upset for the criticism of the on-field decisions, game-planning, etc. There are things about the offensive approach under KF that i wish would change. It's the claims that KF is lazy, or doesn't care, or is just collecting a paycheck, or is a terrible coach that are just silly.
Hey franisdaman, you must be quite the man up at 2 am responding to posts. Does mommie know you are still awake in the basement ?
First, How would Pat know for a fact that one coach is greatest of all ? He is entitled to his opinion just like I am even though you don't think I am.
I'd be more than happy for you and I to compare our life's accomplishments to decide who is capable of sound reasoning.
Obviously, if you had a woman in your life you wouldn't be posting on the internet at 2 am.
Maybe Pat can tell you how to get a real job and out of the basement.
You were on ignore but I took you off but it's time for you to go back on ignore. I suggest you do the same with people you attack/don't agree with.
It's really a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison, really. Fry accomplished one of the great CFB program turnarounds. Iowa was absolutely dreadful for 20 years before he arrived. He changed the program for what has basically been a good 40-year run. Things dipped by the end of his time, but while Ferentz had to re-stock, Iowa's program still had some life to it and he was able to dial it back up pretty quickly, making a bowl in year 3 and being one of the best teams in the country in year 4. They each faced very different challenges - Fry had the heavier lift, by far, to get to respectability, but as has been stated in this thread, rivals like ISU, Northwestern and Wisconsin have been light years better during Ferentz's tenure. It's just the evolution of football. Both have been really good.
It's a little ironic that Fry modeled Iowa's unis after the Steelers. As it happens, he ultimately modeled coaching stability after the Steelers as well. Iowa has had 2 coaches in 39 years....Chuck Knoll and Bill Cowher covered 38 consecutive years for the Steelers and now Tomlin has been there for the last 11. There are plusses and minuses to not having coaching turnover, but I would imagine the last 40 years of history will be a selling point if/when the Iowa job becomes available.
And conversely Norm was lucky KF hired him...they helped each other Cement a legacy
Yep. Impossible to win in football without good assistants. KF made a very good hire in Norm. Norm Parker's relationship with Phil Parker (when Phil was a player at MSU) probably led to Phil moving from Toledo to Iowa to coach d-backs. And having Phil Parker continue on as d-coordinator has been very good for the long-term stability of the program as well.
Here's the interesting thing about this; people, men in particular have a great capacity to compartmentalize things. It's one of the most fascinating things about these message boards to me & one of the things I study the closest.
Human nature... man and his capacity to have completely differing views of people when it suits them.
Case in point these guys are completely capable of thinking Norm Parker was awesome, who swore by KF, all our past superstars are awesome, who mostly also swear by KF and the coaching fraternity are awesome, who also laud KF and yet at the same time think Kirk Ferentz is a stooge.
They do this by saying they are biased and incapable of being intellectually honest. Yet they (the message board coaches) have no bias and they are the beacon of Truth… An anonymous message board poster playing the part as a beacon of Truth...now let that sink in...
It is fascinating and for me a clear indication of who they are as people. They have major, major accountability issues & major character flaws.
Intelligent people have that voice in their head that even when they're mad & listen we've all been idiots on these message board at one time or another... but intelligent people have that voice that says..,"hang on here a second, I better evaluate this…"
These people don't have that voice.
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Ooohhhh the old basement comeback, yeah that's a good one. I'll be your Huckleberry, I would really enjoy comparing life accomplishments with somebody like you.
How should we proceed...?!
There were a lot of "Johnny Come Lately" fans that started showing up when Iowa began winning under Fry. You know the type - dressed head to toe in Hawk gear yelling out plays from the stands, or a bar stool, that the coach shoulda called if only he was as smart as they were.
I will take Pat's and the countless other NFL hawks who have made the claim over anybody on this board
Where did I say it was just about location? I said Iowa had done a better job of investing in facilities, and coaches and stability then those peers mentioned.
Early on he did have several NFL inquiries. Not much these days, but back around 2005 he could certainly have taken a shot at the league.
Iowa has won one National Championship and probably won't win another. The university would never let KF recruit the same kind of student athlete that Eve had at that time. The best job some of these players had outside of football was being a bouncer at the Hawk ball room. The introduction of the NC playoff has and will make it harder to compete with the few schools that have a chance to win one. 5 and 4 star kids want to play in the playoffs and these schools are magnets. This is the reason a school like Ohio St has kids from all over the country wanting to play for them. I know almost everyone will disagree but the playoffs are the worst thing to happen to 98% of team in the country.
where did I say you did?Where did I say it was just about location? I said Iowa had done a better job of investing in facilities, and coaches and stability then those peers mentioned.
Im completely aware of that.
A stepping stone implies a better situation, usually.
He would have been crazy to leave when he got everything he wanted here without the demands of the nfl.
Im sure KF has made more money here than most who have held nfl head coaching positions since 2000.
Well then let us also not forget that Wisconsin and Northwestern are at least twice as good as they were for the majority of Fry's tenure. Iowa State much improved too.
Its harder to win a B1G championship now and it will also be harder to win a national championship, as you said.
In the old days, you played your close to round robin conference schedule and even if you tied for the B1G lead, you were a B1G Champion; now to win a B1G championship, you have to play 9 (not 8) conf games plus one more (the title game)
In the old days, if you were conference champion, you played one post season game. Now, if you conf champion AND are lucky to make the CFP Final 4, you have to play an 2 post season games to win the National title
Population has shifted to the South. Look at this years Final 4; all 4 teams are all in the South and Southeast of the United States. The East, Midwest, and West have zero representation. .
