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Costello - Junior Folkstyle Nats

Cassioppi controlled the entire match. Hopefully it was just a bad match for costello, and he bounces back. Cassioppi on the other hand looks like the real deal. I wish we could have snagged him.
 
Bad match? It went about as one would expect. Costello is a development guy, not a major recruit.
It may not have been an awful match for Costello but it definitely wasn't good one. I understand he is just a development guy, but what I'm saying is that I wanted to see some more fight out of him then that. I know that Cassioppi is pretty good, probably better then what he's ranked. He's one of the best heavyweights in the nation. But, he is still only ranked #5 and Costello is ranked #7 in one set of rankings, and #11 in another. So in my eyes, you would have to hope he would compete a little better. At least show some more potential, but I just didn't see it this match.
 
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Costello is not even top 100 overall. He is basically a walk on. He does ok wih what he has to work with but his lack of tallness and short arms and legs are going to make it tougher. If he can ride and get off bottom and then move enough on his feet to counter guys using his weight he will be in a lot of 2-1 or 3-2 type matches that he can win some. He is going to have trouble scoring on people unless he turns into Snyder.
 
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I agree with some of that. I just think as of now at his current level he should of been able to put together a little bit better of a match against Cassioppi... but hey what do I know! I like that Snyder comparison alot. All he will have to do is lose 60ish pounds of fat and he will be right there haha! Gotta have hope
 
Costello is not even top 100 overall. He is basically a walk on. He does ok wih what he has to work with but his lack of tallness and short arms and legs are going to make it tougher. If he can ride and get off bottom and then move enough on his feet to counter guys using his weight he will be in a lot of 2-1 or 3-2 type matches that he can win some. He is going to have trouble scoring on people unless he turns into Snyder.
Would you guys rather see him sit and hid behind his ranking? So we are getting a "top ten" kid at his weight? I would rather see him test himself and go to competition than hid behind a rankings.. but no one on this page is happy that he turned down much more money I'm assuming to come to iowa
 
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Costello is not even top 100 overall. He is basically a walk on. He does ok wih what he has to work with but his lack of tallness and short arms and legs are going to make it tougher. If he can ride and get off bottom and then move enough on his feet to counter guys using his weight he will be in a lot of 2-1 or 3-2 type matches that he can win some. He is going to have trouble scoring on people unless he turns into Snyder.

Are we giving him scholarship money? If so why? If he's a walk on level guy does he deserve scholarship money if so why?
 
It may not have been an awful match for Costello but it definitely wasn't good one. I understand he is just a development guy, but what I'm saying is that I wanted to see some more fight out of him then that. I know that Cassioppi is pretty good, probably better then what he's ranked. He's one of the best heavyweights in the nation. But, he is still only ranked #5 and Costello is ranked #7 in one set of rankings, and #11 in another. So in my eyes, you would have to hope he would compete a little better. At least show some more potential, but I just didn't see it this match.
Its been brought up before but Gulibon was a much bigger recruit than Clark and beat him, quite soundly if I remember right, in high school. We just saw how that turned out with Clark the 4 timer and Champ and Gulibon the 1timer. Please give these young men a chance to develop in the Hawkeye room before making a judgement. Some of them come in almost fully developed and some have a lot of room to grow. He did make the finals and anyone can have a bad match (DSJ his senior year and the list goes on) How about lets wait and enjoy watching these guys develop.
 
Would you guys rather see him sit and hid behind his ranking? So we are getting a "top ten" kid at his weight? I would rather see him test himself and go to competition than hid behind a rankings.. but no one on this page is happy that he turned down much more money I'm assuming to come to iowa

I never said a thing against him going out and getting some competition. He needs to do lots of that, it will make him better. I was explaining in reply to questions of him not winning that he does not have the natural tools these blue chip guys have. I'm happy as hell we got him, especially since he is all we have besides injured Stoll. I think he can become a contributing member of the team. Runner up is a very good result at that tournament and I was not down on him for not winning in the finals. Of no fault of his own his build will require him to work a little harder than some, he will have to develop a style that works. Him being shorter can give other guys issues too if he uses it. Sounds like he has the determination to work hard and that is great to see.
 
Its been brought up before but Gulibon was a much bigger recruit than Clark and beat him, quite soundly if I remember right, in high school. We just saw how that turned out with Clark the 4 timer and Champ and Gulibon the 1timer. Please give these young men a chance to develop in the Hawkeye room before making a judgement. Some of them come in almost fully developed and some have a lot of room to grow. He did make the finals and anyone can have a bad match (DSJ his senior year and the list goes on) How about lets wait and enjoy watching these guys develop.
Horrible comparison. Clark was not some project. Might have been ranked behind Gulibon, and even lost to him, but he was a multiple time Fargo champ and proven to be a top competitor.
 
Horrible comparison. Clark was not some project. Might have been ranked behind Gulibon, and even lost to him, but he was a multiple time Fargo champ and proven to be a top competitor.
Ok. Dan Dennis never won a state title and he was a 2 time AA. The point is he hasnt got to IC yet lets just wait and see how it works out. I dont see why we get all excited because some one looked bad in 1 match.
 
Ok. Dan Dennis never won a state title and he was a 2 time AA. The point is he hasnt got to IC yet lets just wait and see how it works out. I dont see why we get all excited because some one looked bad in 1 match.
I agree, we shouldn't write the kid off based on one match.

I think people are concerned because our main competitor isn't taking in projects who will be lucky if they turn into 2x AA. They had 2 freshman national champs this year (another that would have almost assuredly been in the finals if he was healthy). 2 freshman in the finals last year. People are overreacting to one bad Costello matches, because even if we can develop Costello to a 2x AA, that's not going to get us back on top.
 
I guess from my perspective I never looked at Costello as a 4 timer prospect but a very talented kid from Iowa who given a little time could develop into a solid wrestler. Whether that is just some depth or a starter remains to be seen. I doubt we are done recruiting at heavy. I just get frustrated every time one of our guys doesnt do as well as we think and the sky starts falling.
 
Its been brought up before but Gulibon was a much bigger recruit than Clark and beat him, quite soundly if I remember right, in high school. We just saw how that turned out with Clark the 4 timer and Champ and Gulibon the 1timer. Please give these young men a chance to develop in the Hawkeye room before making a judgement. Some of them come in almost fully developed and some have a lot of room to grow. He did make the finals and anyone can have a bad match (DSJ his senior year and the list goes on) How about lets wait and enjoy watching these guys develop.
I agree that we will have to wait and see how Costello develops, and I think he will actually develop very well and be a very important member of the team. Also, I have backed up Costello more then most on these boards so I am definitely not a Costello hater. I think the kid is great and is going to surprise a lot of people with the Hawks. I was just hoping he would have preformed a tad better. And like I said earlier, I think it may have been just a bad match.
 
Also, I also love the mindset Costello has. He seems to love the Hawks based on his twitter and is fully buying into this program. Heading to different tournaments and testing himself out is great as well, I love to see that out of a recruit.
Crablegs, I agree that we want top recruits and the more we get the easier it will be to beat Penn State. But not every kid on our team is going to be a national champ. So if HWT is projected to be one of our weak weights for the future if Costello can turn into a two time AA like mentioned, that definitely won't hurt our chances of beating PSU. Would be really beneficial actually. Being a two time AA after sitting behind Stoll for two years would be huge for Costello and the Hawks.
 
Costello isn't half the recruit Stoll was. Stoll was a big time get. I'm just not high on his current skill set. Also wonder how about his ceiling
I'm not suggesting he will be a world beater but let him roll with Telford, Berhow, and Stoll and just see how he progresses. Maybe he can be a 10-16 type guy. Obviously he's not supposed to be the answer but his stock really can't go down. Only up. He either surprises us and is somewhat successful or he doesn't see the mat
 
I'm not the one being critical of Costello in any way. Just trying to provide a justification for why people would be concerned.

The team we are trying to catch does not have developmental guys in their lineup. Their lowest recruit was McCutcheon who was #32 in his class. If we're going to catch them, Costello will need to be a room guy/solid backup.
 
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A guy like Costello can grow and get better in the room and is at least a true HWY. Worst case, it's another year playing little guy at HWY in what we have already predicted will be a down year...best case, Sam gets better and Costello gets the time he needs to develop while we are bringing in an elite guy at Hwy. We will need AC in the theoretical super Hwys freshman year to come out and make noise.
 
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I'm not the one being critical of Costello in any way. Just trying to provide a justification for why people would be concerned.

The team we are trying to catch does not have developmental guys in their lineup. Their lowest recruit was McCutcheon who was #32 in his class. If we're going to catch them, Costello will need to be a room guy/solid backup.
I never said you were being critical, I simply stated that if people think he has the potential to be a two time AA then that would be great and would help a ton. And I agree, we do need to get higher and bigger recruits. But, even though we are getting better and better recruiting classes, I don't think we will ever be able to dominate the recruiting game as well as penn state, so we will still need to develop some mid tier guys. Which we will.
 
I'm not the one being critical of Costello in any way. Just trying to provide a justification for why people would be concerned.

The team we are trying to catch does not have developmental guys in their lineup. Their lowest recruit was McCutcheon who was #32 in his class. If we're going to catch them, Costello will need to be a room guy/solid backup.

PSU takes plenty of guys like Costello and has them on their roster in the exact same situation. For example, this season part of their recruiting class is Joey Blumer, who nobody here has probably ever heard of, but just beat the #8 kid in the country at FloNationals, but he's also got plenty of unranked losses. He's a good student and probably getting next to nothing. Another kid, Richie McLanahan, out of Florida, who won a state title last year (finished 3rd this year I think) and has been right there with some ranked guys out of his state.

If he develops and finds his way into the lineup at some point - like a Zack Bietz, James English, Kade Moss or Jimmy Vollrath type of kid - great. If not, still need those guys in the room and hopefully they are contributing in other ways on and off the mat.

Problem is here there are unrealistic expectations by some caused by 1) an unfortunate injury to a guy who is a talent, and 2) the general pessimism caused by PSU's run.

Guys like Myles Wilson and Costello are what they are - which isn't a bad thing, because they are at every school.

But Iowa will also be pursuing some much bigger time recruits and it would be wiser to worry about those pursuits and view guys like Costello and Wilson as extra bullets who may end up being silver, but also could be blanks.
 
bottom line steveson, nevills, this nw kid were not interested in coming to iowa and costello is and he deserves our support. i'm sure we are not done going after our future heavy, but right now we need to get behind this big guy and make him feel good about his choice.
 
bottom line steveson, nevills, this nw kid were not interested in coming to iowa and costello is and he deserves our support. i'm sure we are not done going after our future heavy, but right now we need to get behind this big guy and make him feel good about his choice.
I agree. But also doubt recruits and current wrestlers look at these boards. All this board has is old guys giving there opinions! I wish every recruit the best! Go hawks
 
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I don't think he will ever be a world beater. It will be nice to have a big body to fill the void we were missing this year.
 
Why are we not listed among the teams that Mason Parris is interested in? That kid has the makings of someone who can be a multiple time NCAA champ
 
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dillon my son worked in the athletic dept. from 2009 until 2014 and i can tell you for sure every year at least one kid on the team read hr and shared some of it to other team members.these kids are all over social media, it only makes sense they would read something that is about them.
 
Anybody who believes the recruits/wrestlers either don't personally read the boards or at least get the info second hand from family/friends is beyond naive. Obviously they won't post or they wouldn't see the mat. But bottom line is they and their families and friends know what is being said on message boards.
 
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I guess from my perspective I never looked at Costello as a 4 timer prospect but a very talented kid from Iowa who given a little time could develop into a solid wrestler. Whether that is just some depth or a starter remains to be seen. I doubt we are done recruiting at heavy. I just get frustrated every time one of our guys doesnt do as well as we think and the sky starts falling.
I get what you are saying 100%. But, Costello actually surprised me that he got 2nd at jr. folkstyle nationals. So even though he got trounced in the finals, he got 2nd. Still, I am not happy with our recruiting. Its picked up lately, but still not enough studs. Costello's teammate for example, Max Lyon ranked 3rd nationally at 182 and projects to be 182 in college. Perfect to pair up with Warner at 197. How did we let him get away. A top 3 nationally kid from Iowa?
 
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I know of several former and current members of the team that read this board daily... Lots of, if not almost every parent of our current and former athletes also.

In 2015 during his RS year at Nattys in STL Sammy Stoll, SSJ, the Ryan family, and Sandy and Mike McDonough brought to my attention what a dumpster fire this place was after the semi finals and remember being mortified that they had to read that filth. I got on here unfiltered and made many enemies that evening.
 
I know of several former and current members of the team that read this board daily... Lots of, if not almost every parent of our current and former athletes also.

In 2015 during his RS year at Nattys in STL Sammy Stoll, SSJ, the Ryan family, and Sandy and Mike McDonough brought to my attention what a dumpster fire this place was after the semi finals and remember being mortified that they had to read that filth. I got on here unfiltered and made many enemies that evening.

Forums are but one of several areas where PSU has "excelled." No offense to some of our decent PSU posters here, but prospective Iowa recruits may get negative impressions from other forums. Themat forums has a very dedicated group of posters (PSU fans e.g Hurricane, Cletus aka suzie, Lemonpie, Mopar among others) who, for years, have savaged Iowa wrestlers, former wrestlers, and coaches.

Recently a thread was started, titled "Spencer Lee to Iowa -- Mistake." It was tame compared to others in the past, which would've made a propganda minister proud. I won't go into details, but nothing seemed beneath these guys - ridicule, distortions of events, accusation of dirty tactics, overblown trivial incidents. No school gets singled out like Iowa by thes guys.

Assuming HS recruits read these boards, I can imagine some might be swayed by the negative stuff posted by these jackals. Hopefully, enough kids are thinking for themselves and can see through it, like Spencer Lee did.
 
I get what you are saying 100%. But, Costello actually surprised me that he got 2nd at jr. folkstyle nationals. So even though he got trounced in the finals, he got 2nd. Still, I am not happy with our recruiting. Its picked up lately, but still not enough studs. Costello's teammate for example, Max Lyon ranked 3rd nationally at 182 and projects to be 182 in college. Perfect to pair up with Warner at 197. How did we let him get away. A top 3 nationally kid from Iowa?
Costello didn't look tough in the quarters where he downed a Michigan commit Nemec 6-1 which included 2 slick go behinds and tough top game. Max Lyon was never a possibility I believe he was set on UNI or Purdue from the start
 
I get what you are saying 100%. But, Costello actually surprised me that he got 2nd at jr. folkstyle nationals. So even though he got trounced in the finals, he got 2nd. Still, I am not happy with our recruiting. Its picked up lately, but still not enough studs. Costello's teammate for example, Max Lyon ranked 3rd nationally at 182 and projects to be 182 in college. Perfect to pair up with Warner at 197. How did we let him get away. A top 3 nationally kid from Iowa?

Probably because we have Wilcke projected at 184 and Max Lyon actually is #13 IAW Intermat. Wilcke is Rd of 12 wrestling up a weight and will do fine if he can develop some offense.

I liked Lyon but he went to Purdue for the $$$ that he would have never gotten at Iowa. Good luck to him.
 
I know of several former and current members of the team that read this board daily... Lots of, if not almost every parent of our current and former athletes also.

In 2015 during his RS year at Nattys in STL Sammy Stoll, SSJ, the Ryan family, and Sandy and Mike McDonough brought to my attention what a dumpster fire this place was after the semi finals and remember being mortified that they had to read that filth. I got on here unfiltered and made many enemies that evening.

Forums are but one of several areas where PSU has "excelled." No offense to some of our decent PSU posters here, but prospective Iowa recruits may get negative impressions from other forums. Themat forums has a very dedicated group of posters (PSU fans e.g Hurricane, Cletus aka suzie, Lemonpie, Mopar among others) who, for years, have savaged Iowa wrestlers, former wrestlers, and coaches.

Recently a thread was started, titled "Spencer Lee to Iowa -- Mistake." It was tame compared to others in the past, which would've made a propganda minister proud. I won't go into details, but nothing seemed beneath these guys - ridicule, distortions of events, accusation of dirty tactics, overblown trivial incidents. No school gets singled out like Iowa by thes guys.

Assuming HS recruits read these boards, I can imagine some might be swayed by the negative stuff posted by these jackals. Hopefully, enough kids are thinking for themselves and can see through it, like Spencer Lee did.
This is exactly why we need to put the trolls and negative posters on ignore and not respond to their needling. The fire will go out quickly if no one respond to them and we we report their negative content. Human nature has us defending our guys and getting in arguments, but these people only come to ruin and cause trouble. I wonder if this board needs to put a 2 or 3 week period around Nationals where there can be no new posters. It might keep a few of them off during that time anyway. I dont doubt some would make a new troll acct ahead of time though. Regardless of anything though we need to strive to keep our comments positive about our wrestlers and recruits. It certainly cant hurt our recruiting.
 
I get what you are saying 100%. But, Costello actually surprised me that he got 2nd at jr. folkstyle nationals. So even though he got trounced in the finals, he got 2nd. Still, I am not happy with our recruiting. Its picked up lately, but still not enough studs. Costello's teammate for example, Max Lyon ranked 3rd nationally at 182 and projects to be 182 in college. Perfect to pair up with Warner at 197. How did we let him get away. A top 3 nationally kid from Iowa?
Lyon was ranked as high as 3rd last summer when he put together a very solid junior duals (I believe). He beat quite a few nationally ranked guys including current #4 Jelani Embree. At Fargo his ranking dropped off a little bit due to a DNP. I believe he should be somewhere from the 6-12 ranked spot. Overall, Lyon is a very solid recruit who would've been a nice guy to train with Warner, but like Azcheif said, money most likely brought him to Purdue.
 
I get what you are saying 100%. But, Costello actually surprised me that he got 2nd at jr. folkstyle nationals. So even though he got trounced in the finals, he got 2nd. Still, I am not happy with our recruiting. Its picked up lately, but still not enough studs. Costello's teammate for example, Max Lyon ranked 3rd nationally at 182 and projects to be 182 in college. Perfect to pair up with Warner at 197. How did we let him get away. A top 3 nationally kid from Iowa?
Because we have Wilcke who is better then Lyon. Lyon isn't going to sit behind Wilcke for 2 years for little money when he can start 4 years at Purdue with a full ride.
 
Its been brought up before but Gulibon was a much bigger recruit than Clark and beat him, quite soundly if I remember right, in high school. We just saw how that turned out with Clark the 4 timer and Champ and Gulibon the 1timer. Please give these young men a chance to develop in the Hawkeye room before making a judgement. Some of them come in almost fully developed and some have a lot of room to grow. He did make the finals and anyone can have a bad match (DSJ his senior year and the list goes on) How about lets wait and enjoy watching these guys develop.

Something to think about when considering that 2012 recruiting year (Which was Iowa's best class, until this 2017 incoming class) was a historically bad class as a whole. I men awful! Look it over: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Top200_2012.html

They did finish with 3 DI Champs, which helped bring them up, but still finish as the worst overall class since I started following recruiting in the early 2000's. The Champs were #1 Tsirtis, #73 Dean, and #23 Clark. Can anyone think of a worse class in totality? I know it is hard to find comprehensive lists past the 90's, so can anyone think of a worse class since the 90's?
 
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