That is exactly what Brody told me.
That is exactly what Brody told me. In my opinion, he thinks he will win the spot.. I asked if he was going up if he didn't get the spot. He said, no, if I don't win I will be going to 141.
Could we see a true freshman crack the lineup?
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That is exactly what Brody told me.
That is exactly what Brody told me. In my opinion, he thinks he will win the spot.. I asked if he was going up if he didn't get the spot. He said, no, if I don't win I will be going to 141.
That could be...the worst beating I think I ever saw McD ever take was from Nate while they were in HS. To be fair, they traded wins in HS days, but overall, I think it is fair to say that Nate was the better wrestler in HS.
To me, that makes McD's college career all the more impressive.
Angel Escobedo wrestled 130 or maybe even 135 his senior year of high school and hasn't wrestled that heavy since.
From what's been said on here before, Brody was never really a cutter.
Hope he does because that would give us a good 1-4 punch needed to make up for 157, 165. If Cooper can develop, that would be a sweet lineup with holes at 165 and Hwy. I think Sam will eventually be good, just gonna take him a minute.
Hope he does because that would give us a good 1-4 punch needed to make up for 157, 165. If Cooper can develop, that would be a sweet lineup with holes at 165 and Hwy. I think Sam will eventually be good, just gonna take him a minute.
Just to let you know there is a NEW attitude/vibe in the room guys. New blood that has a lot of fire and spunk. Grothus is a GREAT kid and I love talking with his dad but Sorenson will be at 149 and the cut to 141 for Grothus will not be a good one. 8lbs does not sound like much but in reality it will be. From what I'm hearing Turk is the real deal. With the new attitude/vibe going on it would not shock me to see him in the lineup after the Midlands at 141. Carton has a Great motor and is pretty good on his feet but is not the best on the mat. Turk is solid on the mat and just as good or maybe better on his feet. I also heard a lot of good things about Skyler St. John and Cole Erickson.
After Midlands here's my best GUESS for what our lineup will look like
125: Gilman(finalist, just ask around guys he is focused even more and lighting everybody up in the room)
133: Clark(Champ, if he stays healthy and with Brewer moving up tell me who will beat him)
141: Turk(possible mid to low AA, from what I have been told this is not that much of a stretch)
149: Sorenson(finalist, He was close last year and I only have 2 other guys that some what scare me at his weight)
157: Skyler St. John(157 is loaded next year so I'm hoping for a qualifier here)
165: Paddock(not saying he will be great but remember I said if first when he makes the rd. of 12)
174: Meyer(mid to high AA there are some guys that will give him fits so top 5 is a decent guess)
184: Brooks(top 8, could finish 2nd or 8th hard to tell but he will AA)
197: Burak(Finalist, laugh all you want but a lot of guys shirting next year and only McIntosh left)
Hwt: Stoll(low AA to rd. of 12, with all the guys shirting at hwt. its not that much of a stretch to say he won't AA. That being said he's a year away from making a splash so to speak.)
Is that enough to derail psu I honestly don't know especially since likely finals at 125 and 197 will be head to head and then add a good possibility of a 149 finals match as head to head. Its going to be fun and exciting.
After Midlands here's my best GUESS for what our lineup will look like
125: Gilman(finalist, just ask around guys he is focused even more and lighting everybody up in the room)
133: Clark(Champ, if he stays healthy and with Brewer moving up tell me who will beat him)
141: Turk(possible mid to low AA, from what I have been told this is not that much of a stretch)
149: Sorenson(finalist, He was close last year and I only have 2 other guys that some what scare me at his weight)
157: Skyler St. John(157 is loaded next year so I'm hoping for a qualifier here)
165: Paddock(not saying he will be great but remember I said if first when he makes the rd. of 12)
174: Meyer(mid to high AA there are some guys that will give him fits so top 5 is a decent guess)
184: Brooks(top 8, could finish 2nd or 8th hard to tell but he will AA)
197: Burak(Finalist, laugh all you want but a lot of guys shirting next year and only McIntosh left)
Hwt: Stoll(low AA to rd. of 12, with all the guys shirting at hwt. its not that much of a stretch to say he won't AA. That being said he's a year away from making a splash so to speak.)
Is that enough to derail psu I honestly don't know especially since likely finals at 125 and 197 will be head to head and then add a good possibility of a 149 finals match as head to head. Its going to be fun and exciting.
125: I like Gilman's chances to make the finals against Mega
133: Nahshon Garrett sticks out to me, but I think Clark could grind him down
141: I hope you're right...but HUGE question mark as he might not even get the spot.
149: I see top 4, but like you said he's close to being finalist
157: Not expecting a whole lot here
165: Could see round of 12
174: Mid to Low AA 5-8th
184: Top 4 as long as he wrestles smart
197: Top 4 for sure. Wouldn't surprise me to see him in the finals
Hwt: Big question mark for me. Round of 12 would be really solid in my book
133: I got bad news. Brewer was recently in town to help out at a small camp. His older brother wrestled at UNI then Simpson. Straight from the horses mouth is the cut isnt as bad as we think. He has very broad shoulder which make him appear bigger than he really is. He has small feet. so his structure is a bit misleading. But what a great kid he is. Doesnt drink, just doesnt like it and very nice humble kid that had a bit of a rough upbringing. hard to root against him.
That being said, Cory Clark didnt get smaller in the off season. I expect to see him turning a lot more guys which is scary for those other 133 guys.
Im definitely pulling for a 133 rematch in Madison square garden on sat night.
That being said, Cory Clark didnt get smaller in the off season. I expect to see him turning a lot more guys which is scary for those other 133 guys.
Im definitely pulling for a 133 rematch in Madison square garden on sat night.
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John Doe-esque although maybe just a tad short. Those of you who bop over to BWI occasionally know what I'm talking about.
From my visits over here I take it that Spoons has some inside connections so the predictions don't surprise me. I've got a good friend who is about as inside as you can get at PSU and I've learned over the years to temper what I hear from him. People who are in charge whether at Iowa, PSU, OSU - all very confident guys in their abilities to recruit, coach, confident in their wrestlers, etc.
As I posted above, sometimes the inside info - while being very truthful, does not always turn out to be accurate in reality. The inside info is almost always 90% glass full stuff. JD had a lowball prediction of Matt McCutcheon which predicted top 4 last year - caused a lot of issues for him over there. But you could see at the end of the year ( in OT to get to the semis) where some of the confidence in him was coming from. It's really hard for all the 90% glass full stuff to pan out, though.
Bottom line is that you can probably bet that Turk, Brands and all the guys in that room ARE quite confident that a kid like Turk can be a mid-AA, Gilman beats Tomasello or Mega, Clark wins it all, Sorenson is in finals, Paddock R12, Burak finalist, Stoll R12, etc. Just like the guys at PSU, etc. are all very confident in their guys to exceed expectations. Just like the guys at Iowa and PSU feel good about where they are with Suriano, like the guys at tOSU like their chances with Lee, etc. As it should be. What you can take out of this is that Turk is showing better than his ranking which is good news. How much better remains to be seen.
I have heard myself that Turk is lighting up Carton and Grothus in the room. Second hand info, but it will be interesting to see if we get our first "true" true freshman in the lineup with Vince Turk. I know Burak was technically a true frosh, but he spent a year at the OTC, so he doesn't really count.
I would like to be in the room once this post gets relayed just to watch Brody vs Turk. There is no way Turk lights up Grothus.
Dice...difference between Spoons and JD is that Spoons often takes a lot of crap for his sunny take on the team and he keeps on coming back.
Agree 100%. JD took his ball and went home. If you peruse the BWI boards, you will notice that I posted an opinion lately that I'm of the opinion that if you are going to post you better be able to take the heat. That's what these boards are for. There are always a few on every board that think that any criticism of the "home" team or posts questioning "sunny takes" don't belong.
So realistically, we are going to be awful at 157, you heard it here first. Paddock almost quit last year and he didn't have too much fight in him in the room. Hope he has gotten better in several areas since last year. Stoll is at least a year away. If Brody gets to 141 and is himself he will be a killer. If not? Turk will not be an AA this year. Amazing how different 2 peoples takes on what they saw and what they hear are.
He was injured last year and that slowed the decline somewhat. Then he was behind the 8 ball on the time he had to get there. Remember, he was within 8 tenths of a pound when he folded I believe. Once he gets there, every time will get easier. The 2 or 3 consecutive days might be a problem though. I am hoping for a better outcome this year.
That's a question I'd love someone to ask brands. Deja vu all over again from last year.
All valid points but what's best case scenario? Brody is ready in feb?
What I dont like is by not getting Brody there now is he can't be a 141 at Midlands. And that's huge for NCAA seedings given some out of conference highly ranked guys Brody will miss out on.
So its really putting Brody and his seeding in danger of a horrible early matchup.
Brody not going 141 at Midlands is huge mistake IMO
"Gave up?" I wouldn't call it that. It's like asking a cripple to walk than calling him a quiter when he can't. The body can only go so far, even for wrestlers. I'm hoping with a long enough timetable this time, Brody can make 41 safely this year. That'd make the Hawks a legit NC threat.
Folks make bigger cuts than Brody attempted all of the time. Maybe if he would do it right rather than live in a fantasy of earning the spot at 149 before quickly attempting to go down it would go better for him. I'm afraid we will never know.
Grothus beat Sorensen at the Luther Open last year. It's no fantasy that he could supplant Sorensen at 49. Definitly not ideal from a team perspective, but if 49 is where Grothus thinks has the best shot at winning a NC his senior year, nobody can fault him.
I've been a fan of Turk for awhile and have felt that he was underrated in high school. He peaked his senior year in high school for sure and if he's continuing to grow skill-wise like he did between his jr and sr high school years he'll end up on the medal stand at least a couple times in his collegiate career. He's strong for his size, has good technique, has a great motor and mentally is as tough as nails. Make no mistake about it, we are lucky to have Mr. Turk. He'll be a fan favorite in no time.
I'm overlooking Ohio St. too. They lose two finalists, one being the Hodge Trophy winner in Logie Bear and Snyder. Tomasello's a stud, but if he does anything other than win a title, then that's less points for the bucs. JDJ is extremely inconsistent and hasn't wrestled well at NCAAs. H. Steebler is coming off a major injury. Bo Jordan is a stud a will be a high AA (can't beat Dieringer though). Martin hasn't shown much thus far. Courts over-achieved last year. He picked the right time to have the best tourney of his life. Tav was injured last year. It'll be interesting to see how Haines can transition to the collegiate game. PSU is the no doubt about it favorite coming into this season. I'm thinking tOSU is about 4th or 5th. Okie St. is much improved as well.
Who ever told you that about Brody is full of sht 100%
I cut about 15 pounds when I was in high school and I completely disagree that every time out gets easier. The first time was fairly easy and I still felt strong, but the wrestling season is looooong! By the end of the season my body was broken down, weak and my energy level was low. I hope we are all wrong about Brody and he knows what's best for him and he wins a national title, but I can't help thinking he's making a mistake. We've got a huge hole at 157, if I'm a guy who doesn't like cutting, hit the weights as soon as the offseason starts and come looking like a beast after 7 months of hard-core training. Obviously that ship has sailed at this point.
Overlook them if you like but even without Snyder they only return 1.5 fewer team points than Iowa and that's with the 0 they got from Hunter. Thinking they are out of it is pretty shortsighted.
Well, yeah, we can fault him, because we're fans. Doesn't make him right and us wrong or vice-versa, but as a FAN, you want the best TEAM out on the mat. Very few think our best TEAM involves Brody Grothus at 149 (think about 1 in 100,000). There are PLENTY of us that would like to see him in the lineup, but not in a spot that is currently manned by an extremely impressive Soph. to be, 1 for 1 in All-American opportunities, who isn't going anywhere, IMO.
Nobody in their right mind cares about head to head results between Iowa wrestlers and room partners. It means next to nothing, and that's being generous.
Brody is a decent DI wrestler, and a good Hawkeye. Would love to see him go out in style. That won't be at 149 barring divine intervention.
I don't think that they CAN'T win it all, I just don't see them as the favorite this year like they were last year. They lost two studs and don't replace those two with two comparable studs. I think PSU and Iowa are better coming into the season. I'm as confident they won't win it all this year as I was that they would win it all last year. If Hunters still not right, they could finish 5th.
Wrestling is a selfish sport
I agreed that Brody at 49 would not be best for the team. But, who's to say that Grothus doesn't place higher than Sorensen at NCAAs if he stayed healthy at Midlands. I don't care about who starts as much as who has the best chance of bringing home an NC title. If that's Grothus at 49 than I don't fault him for pushing Sorensen either up to 57 or 41 IF that were to happen. I don't see it happening either, but it's far from divine intervention that Grothus beats Sorensen out for the spot, regardless how high he placed at NCAA last year.
There's seems to be this vibe going around here that Grothus isn't being a "team player" by sucking it up and going up or down in weight already. I do think we'd be stronger if he'd decided to go down or up right now instead of wrestling off with Sorensen, who rightfully wants to keep his claim to 49. If Grothus can beat out Sorensen at 49, than we have a wrestler that has an even better chance at bringing home a NC at 49.
The situation at 49 is far from ideal. It's actually a problem a lot of programs would love to have.
Escobedo and McDonough cut weight after high school, and therefore anybody can? Brody is a couple inches taller and years older than Sorensen. He has two realities - he wins at 149 (a 30% chance), or he sits. End of story. He may be a great guy (my sister says he is), but he is not a D1 super-elite wrestler who can pop up and down from 149 to 157 to 141.
A better question is why so many have done it yet so many are adamant it just can't be done. A better question is why so many are adamant that over a two year span is is impossible to lose or gain 8 pounds. A better question is why one had to be an elite wrestler to move up or down a weight. A better question is why you think he's being asked to "pop up and down."
Since I mentioned McD, I assume you are referring to me. Therefore, I would invite you to go back and reread what I wrote and then come back and show me how you arrived at that conclusion based upon what I wrote.
Yes, they'd love to have that problem if they have All-American types at every weight, which Iowa does not appear to currently have.
I think we're on different pages as to what it is going to take to unseat a returning 4th place All-American as a RSFreshman. So we'll just agree to disagree.
I may be way off on this but after watching a couple Turk matches I thought he looked like he has no shot first year.
His shot always seemed to come from far away. That is not gonna cut it in college. He does seem to have a good motor and should be a good one after a red shirt.
His shot always seemed to come from far away. That is not gonna cut it in college. He does seem to have a good motor and should be a good one after a red shirt.
