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Yeah, Cox lifted Wellington as they were running out of bounds and planted him vertically on his head on the hardwood floor as well as crashing into, and busting the scoring table it appeared. On other forums, people debating intentions and arguing whether DQ should've been called, if this was Gilman, they'd all want him banned from wrestling forever. But Cox "is one of the nicest guys off the mat ever, and I can't see any reason he'd ever wish harm on anybody, this is totally out of character."
Even on FRL I'm pretty sure CP and Willie spent more time talking about Gilmans shove at grapple than Cox's OOB slam.
Even on FRL I'm pretty sure CP and Willie spent more time talking about Gilmans shove at grapple than Cox's OOB slam.
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Go to the google and type in "j'den cox flowrestling" and the flo wrestling facebook page is the first choice. Happened yesterday.
University of Missouri Sports Information
12/13/2015
COLUMBIA, Mo. -Mizzou Wrestling (4-0) improved its dual-win streak to 32 following a 27-9 win over No. 21 Ohio (3-1) on Sunday. Redshirt junior 149-pounder Lavion Mayes (Mascoutah, Ill.) and redshirt freshman 165-pounder Daniel Lewis (Blue Springs, Mo.) scored bonus points in the dual for #TigerStyle, earning a major decision and technical fall, respectively.
The dual started at 149 pounds with Mayes and Cullen Cummings. The two battled evenly through the first two periods. The score was tied 8-8 heading into the third period before Mayes controlled the final two minutes, outscoring Cummings 12-4 to earn the major decision, 20-12. At 165 pounds, Lewis dominated Austin Reese for seven minutes, earning a 17-1 technical fall. Lewis scored a takedown in the final seconds to grab five points for Mizzou.
Next, redshirt senior 174-pounder Blaise Butler (Belvidere, Ill.) and redshirt sophomore 184-pounder Willie Miklus (Altoona, Iowa) scored decision wins, 5-4 and 9-3, respectively.
In the heavyweight match, freshman James Romero (Albuquerque, N.M.) earned the first dual win of his career when he beat Jesse Webb by way of decision, 9-4. The New Mexico freshman overcame an unnecessary roughness penalty from Webb in the second period to pick up the win.
Mizzou picked up three decision victories from redshirt sophomore 125-pounder Barlow McGhee (Rock Island, Ill.), redshirt junior 133-pounder Zach Synon (Cary, Ill.), and redshirt junior 141-pounder Matt Manley (Perry, Okla.) in the final three matches of the day to close out the scoring at 27-19.
The Tigers will return to action Sunday, December 20 when they travel to Kent, Ohio to face Kent State in a Mid-American Conference matchup.
For all the latest on Mizzou Wrestling, stay tuned to MUTigers.com and follow the team on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram (MizzouWrestling).
Results:
149: Lavion Mayes [Mizzou] def. Cullen Cummings [Ohio] by 20-12 major decision
157: Spartak Chino [Ohio] def. Luke Fortuna [Mizzou] by 4-3 decision
165: Daniel Lewis [Mizzou] def. Austin Reese [Ohio] by 17-1 technical fall
174: Blaise Butler [Mizzou] def. Cody Walters [Ohio] by 5-4 decision
184: Wille Miklus [Mizzou] def. Andrew Romanchik [Ohio] by 9-3 decision
197: Phil Wellington [Ohio] def. J'den Cox [Mizzou] by DQ
HWT: James Romero [Mizzou] def. Jesse Webb [Ohio] by 9-4 decision
125: Barlow McGhee [Mizzou] def. Shakur Laney [Ohio] by 3-1 decision
133: Zach Synon [Mizzou] def. Cameron Kelly [Ohio] by 9-4 decision
141: Matt Manley [Mizzou] def. Noah Forrider [Ohio] by 6-5 TB-1 decision
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University of Missouri Sports Information
12/13/2015
COLUMBIA, Mo. -Mizzou Wrestling (4-0) improved its dual-win streak to 32 following a 27-9 win over No. 21 Ohio (3-1) on Sunday. Redshirt junior 149-pounder Lavion Mayes (Mascoutah, Ill.) and redshirt freshman 165-pounder Daniel Lewis (Blue Springs, Mo.) scored bonus points in the dual for #TigerStyle, earning a major decision and technical fall, respectively.
The dual started at 149 pounds with Mayes and Cullen Cummings. The two battled evenly through the first two periods. The score was tied 8-8 heading into the third period before Mayes controlled the final two minutes, outscoring Cummings 12-4 to earn the major decision, 20-12. At 165 pounds, Lewis dominated Austin Reese for seven minutes, earning a 17-1 technical fall. Lewis scored a takedown in the final seconds to grab five points for Mizzou.
Next, redshirt senior 174-pounder Blaise Butler (Belvidere, Ill.) and redshirt sophomore 184-pounder Willie Miklus (Altoona, Iowa) scored decision wins, 5-4 and 9-3, respectively.
In the heavyweight match, freshman James Romero (Albuquerque, N.M.) earned the first dual win of his career when he beat Jesse Webb by way of decision, 9-4. The New Mexico freshman overcame an unnecessary roughness penalty from Webb in the second period to pick up the win.
Mizzou picked up three decision victories from redshirt sophomore 125-pounder Barlow McGhee (Rock Island, Ill.), redshirt junior 133-pounder Zach Synon (Cary, Ill.), and redshirt junior 141-pounder Matt Manley (Perry, Okla.) in the final three matches of the day to close out the scoring at 27-19.
The Tigers will return to action Sunday, December 20 when they travel to Kent, Ohio to face Kent State in a Mid-American Conference matchup.
For all the latest on Mizzou Wrestling, stay tuned to MUTigers.com and follow the team on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram (MizzouWrestling).
Results:
149: Lavion Mayes [Mizzou] def. Cullen Cummings [Ohio] by 20-12 major decision
157: Spartak Chino [Ohio] def. Luke Fortuna [Mizzou] by 4-3 decision
165: Daniel Lewis [Mizzou] def. Austin Reese [Ohio] by 17-1 technical fall
174: Blaise Butler [Mizzou] def. Cody Walters [Ohio] by 5-4 decision
184: Wille Miklus [Mizzou] def. Andrew Romanchik [Ohio] by 9-3 decision
197: Phil Wellington [Ohio] def. J'den Cox [Mizzou] by DQ
HWT: James Romero [Mizzou] def. Jesse Webb [Ohio] by 9-4 decision
125: Barlow McGhee [Mizzou] def. Shakur Laney [Ohio] by 3-1 decision
133: Zach Synon [Mizzou] def. Cameron Kelly [Ohio] by 9-4 decision
141: Matt Manley [Mizzou] def. Noah Forrider [Ohio] by 6-5 TB-1 decision
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Seems they missed the part where Cox went off the top turn buckle. Oh well, he's a great kid and sings as well 
if that was gilman who did that there would be 10 pages on the mat boardsSeems they missed the part where Cox went off the top turn buckle. Oh well, he's a great kid and sings as well
really like the way Gilman is carrying himself on and off the mat this year.
and yes, if Gilman did what Cox did, the whole world would be up in arms about how terrible the Hawks are. Asskren would have a dozen tweets about it and probably committ a whole podcast to it.
and yes, if Gilman did what Cox did, the whole world would be up in arms about how terrible the Hawks are. Asskren would have a dozen tweets about it and probably committ a whole podcast to it.
What you are missing seems to be the video. Go to the google and type in "j'den cox flowrestling" and watch the move that earned Cox the DQ. It takes you to the Facebook.
Not sure what I'm missing here in those results
197: Phil Wellington [Ohio] def. J'den Cox [Mizzou] by DQ
Not sure what I'm missing here in those results
197: Phil Wellington [Ohio] def. J'den Cox [Mizzou] by DQ
I'm sure the Missouri students will protest the loss and someone will lose there job over this.
The answer to your question appears to either be "everything" or "nothing." I can't decide which.
I would say the difference in public opinion on Cox vs Gilman comes down to one thing. This is Cox's first offense doing something like this (and even the Mizzou fans are saying he should have been DQ'd on themat) while Gilman is caught acting like a turd at least a couple of times per season. That said, I don't think the post about Cox has any more or less attention than when Gilman jumped up and slammed Waters on his back last season in the Iowa/Mizzou dual. Sounds like some fans here are just being whiny.
You are flat out wrong on this one. A quick search of TheMat.com forums shows over 40 pages of threads discussing the matter (and mostly attacking Gilman both as a wrestler and a person, something that people aren't doing with Cox). Also, what are Gilman's other 'Turd' actions. Running into a huddle to shake hands to early? Seems to pale in comparison to what Cox did and how he behaved afterwards though.
Just happened a couple days ago and has not died. Give it time to fester and mature like the Gilman thread(s) before we give up on the "Stop J'Don Cox" Task Force.
Seriously though Cox is at Mizzou and Gilman is at Iowa. It's no secret there are both more Iowa fans and haters than people who even know what conference Mizzou is in so of course the Gilman discussion got more action. Had that not been Mizzou's NC and instead been their 157 that was dq'd there wouldn't be a thread dedicated to it here and likely themat as well. It's Mizzou people.
everybody knows Missouri is in first place in sec wrestling,it's not evan close
I'm on the fence on this one, because it drives me crazy that wrestling expanded the out of bounds rules and did nothing to address the mat size and location of the scorer's table. 5 feet is not enough room given today's rules and I'm not sure how many of the mats even have that on the sides. If they had made changes then I'm not sure were even discussing this today.
These are big guys, the actions starts in the middle of the mat and Cox pops his hips while his left foot is in bounds, text book finish. To me it looks like Wellingtons leg hitting the scores tables is what causes him to land on his head. If the scores table is not there he likely lands on his stomach or back. Cox could have done a better job of realizing where he was, he gets the penalized and then DQ'd which is fine. In this instance I feel like the results and safety of the wrestlers had more to do with the mat size and location of the scorer's table then with Cox's actions. This situation is easily avoidable in a dual meet and should be addressed.
These are big guys, the actions starts in the middle of the mat and Cox pops his hips while his left foot is in bounds, text book finish. To me it looks like Wellingtons leg hitting the scores tables is what causes him to land on his head. If the scores table is not there he likely lands on his stomach or back. Cox could have done a better job of realizing where he was, he gets the penalized and then DQ'd which is fine. In this instance I feel like the results and safety of the wrestlers had more to do with the mat size and location of the scorer's table then with Cox's actions. This situation is easily avoidable in a dual meet and should be addressed.
No one knows J'den's intentions except J'den. In the heat of battle, not everyone behaves as they normally do, so it's hard to give anyone a pass just because they're a good guy off the mat. If this would have ended with a serious head injury, season-ending injury, or something of that sort, I believe the discussion, here and on other forums, would take a different tone.
lockjovi, I disagree on what prompted Wellington to land on his head (I'm of the opinion it was the wrestler lifting him into the air out of bounds not an inanimate object) however I agree 100% about expanding the out of bounds but doing nothing to the size of the mats.
Also, the fact that there is not a uniform size for mats is just plain dumb. Especially with the new OOB/stalling rules, the dynamics of a match can change drastically based on the size of the mat. Can you imagine if football teams got to pick the size of their home endzone or length of the field?
Also, the fact that there is not a uniform size for mats is just plain dumb. Especially with the new OOB/stalling rules, the dynamics of a match can change drastically based on the size of the mat. Can you imagine if football teams got to pick the size of their home endzone or length of the field?
Case in point, I don't remember a whole lot of discussion about Johnny Eblen's DQ from NCAA's last year after a pretty blatant headbutt.C'est la vie. In any case, Cox was DQ'd, it was the proper punishment for the offense, and thank God Wellington didn't get hurt.
It's OK to disagree, I think without the inanimate object he does not land on his head. Sure the lift puts him in the air but Wellington is bracing for the landing, the collision with the table then changes his direction. Slowing it down at 1:10:01 and you can see that both wrestlers are still in bounds when the lift is initiated. I don't see anything intentional or malicious, just two big wrestlers covering ground.
1. Yes, glad Wellington's not hurt, and J'den and the Missouri coaches and the NCAA should be pretty thankful about that as well. That is far and away the most important takeaway from this. That was a seriously harsh head slam into the cement. Thank God we're not reading a USA Today headline today saying "College Wrestler Suffers Terminal Spinal Cord Injury in Match."
2. I already gave my opinion of J'den. He owes the wrestling community and Wellington an apology, whether he means it or not. Brian Smith and Mack Rhoades need to facilitate that.
3. Agree 100% with the mat-size issue. With current rules, we're frequently seeing one opponent still with a foot in bounds while the other wrestler is off the outer edge of the mat. With natural momentum, you need a good 20 feet outside of the circle for protection before there's hardwood floor. It doesn't mean we have to throw away all the existing mats. It means we need perimeter mats, and the wrestling area can't be so close to the scorer's table. Otherwise it's an accident waiting to happen.
Lucky this time. Veerrrryyy lucky this time.
2. I already gave my opinion of J'den. He owes the wrestling community and Wellington an apology, whether he means it or not. Brian Smith and Mack Rhoades need to facilitate that.
3. Agree 100% with the mat-size issue. With current rules, we're frequently seeing one opponent still with a foot in bounds while the other wrestler is off the outer edge of the mat. With natural momentum, you need a good 20 feet outside of the circle for protection before there's hardwood floor. It doesn't mean we have to throw away all the existing mats. It means we need perimeter mats, and the wrestling area can't be so close to the scorer's table. Otherwise it's an accident waiting to happen.
Lucky this time. Veerrrryyy lucky this time.
This. They were way out of bounds and practically off the mat before he lifted him. It would have been one thing if they just kept moving and momentum took them into the table. But he lifted and it looked really bad. And with the black/white mat there is no excuse for not knowing where you are.
After a short time on the ground (less than a minute?) he walked off the mat unassisted. He didn't look injured, but probably would be checked for a concussion.
Cox was not DQ'd outright, he was penalized for an illegal move, and because Wellington was not able to continue he was DQ'd. Then Cox threw a little hissy fit, and the coaches had to force him to go back and shake hands.
Personally I don't care that much, just was noting how different the situation would've been received by the wrestling community if it had been Gilman (or probably any Iowa guy for that matter).
Personally I don't care that much, just was noting how different the situation would've been received by the wrestling community if it had been Gilman (or probably any Iowa guy for that matter).
What is the injury? Most likely is concussion, but if so you can't really say how long he'll be out.
Technically it was Waters that was penalized for the illegal hold, not Gilman....
Just looked at the video several times. Cox clearly began to launch him after he was out of bounds. Cheap shot, no doubt about it. He's fortunate that Wellington wasn't hurt -- as is Wellington, of course. That could have been ugly -- as in severe spinal cord injury and paralysis ugly.
Totally agree that this would be all over the Web if an Iowa guy had done this. Certainly hope no Iowa guy ever stoops that low.
Totally agree that this would be all over the Web if an Iowa guy had done this. Certainly hope no Iowa guy ever stoops that low.
I don't know if there was malicious intent by Cox or not (my assumption would be no), but it sure was stupid.
I'm pretty sure it was 1-1, then Water's got a reversal AND locked hands call. Making it 4-1 at the time of the Slam. After the slam it was 5-2.
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/761599-125lbs-finals-alan-waters-missouri-vs-thomas-gilman-iowa
If you go to about :15, thats the start of the slam action. Then at about :19 you can see waters give Gilman a nice little forearm to the back of his head and push his head down. Maybe i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure they gave waters a point for the slam and Gilman a point for unsportmanslike conduct on waters. Didn't agree with Gilmans slam, but Waters always came off as a cock to me. Never liked him, he always seemed just as 'thuggish' as Gilman, if not more. Based on a larger sample size than just this match.
