Cox

[WWDMHawkeye]

I don't know if there was malicious intent by Cox or not (my assumption would be no), but it sure was stupid.

When you lift a guy and plant him on his head, initiating that action after you've left the mat, your intent can't be good. Cox has wrestled for years and years -- hundreds of matches. He knows when it's appropriate to lift a guy and return him to the mat and when it's time to back off. Even if he'd planted him on his head within the circle, it would have been a illegal move punishable by DQ. I can't imagine he wasn't well aware that what he was doing was inappropriate, at the very least. There's really only one reason that a guy does something like this, and it's not to make friends.

 

[sloehawk]

When you lift a guy and plant him on his head, initiating that action after you've left the mat, your intent can't be good. Cox has wrestled for years and years -- of matches. He knows when it's appropriate to lift a guy and return him to the mat and when it's time to back off. Even if he'd planted him on his head within the circle, it would have been a illegal move punishable by DQ. I can't imagine he wasn't well aware that what he was doing was inappropriate, at the very least. There's really only one reason that a guy does something like this, and it's not to make friends.

I just don't think it's that simple WDM, but I've been wrong before (it was back in the 70's if you want to get specific...............).

 

[rossel 33]

You are flat out wrong on this one. A quick search of TheMat.com forums shows over 40 pages of threads discussing the matter (and mostly attacking Gilman both as a wrestler and a person, something that people aren't doing with Cox). Also, what are Gilman's other 'Turd' actions. Running into a huddle to shake hands to early? Seems to pale in comparison to what Cox did and how he behaved afterwards though.

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Cox's foul looked pretty nasty and deserving of the unsportsmanship penalty he received along with the eventual DQ. As Tarp said, we (collegiate wresting) dodged a bullet here. This slamming on the head could've led to a life threatening intracranial hemorrhage or spinal cord injury.

Hawkman is completely right. There is a recurring theme on themat forums whenever an Iowa guy is involved. It goes well beyond Gilman.

DSJ face shoved a guy (Mich St) and all hell broke loose on themat forum, complete with screen captures that paint DSJ in the worst light. But the opponent's punch to DSJ's face that preceded it gets ignored.

Telford got repeatedly kicked in the head and upper back in a match against McMullin of Northwestern, and there was some discussion on themat, but a lot of it defending the kicking.

Molinaro vs Metcalf. Molinaro was warned and subsequently penalized for unsportsman like conduct. Not a peep.

Purdue vs Metcalf. The Purdue wrestler was DQ after repeatedly kneeing Metcalf in the face. Minimal discussion.

Pico vs Metcalf. Pico warned and subsequently penalized for repeatedly hitting Metcalf in the head. Virtually no discussion. Heaven forbid if it was the other way around.

Varner once tore the headgear off an opponent and was penalized. Another time he shoved Kish out of bounds after the buzzer and then had his hands around Kish's throat. Not a mention.

Not saying these things are any big deal. But it just points out the double standard when it comes to an Iowa wrestler.

Cox's infraction will soon be forgotten. No such luck for Metcalf (vs Caldwell).... one that has gone on for years, even to this day.

Metcalf's bumping into Caldwell, following Caldwell running away for the last ~3-4 seconds of the match, and Metcalf chasing him. Contact is made at the edge of the circle, a split second after the buzzer as Caldwell started his flip in bounds, while the clock was still running. The cheap shots Metcalf received are forgotten, but the Caldwell incident, very minor compared to Cox's, imho, get blown up and repeated. Many on themat trash Brands for that as well.

And it goes beyond wrestling. An illegal hunting or shoplifting incident by an Iowa wrestler can be fodder for criticism. But drunk driving, resisting arrest, rape or more serious offenses that may occur at some other school are mostly ignored.

I understand that when you are #1 you'll get more attention and ink. But there are some serious rabid posters (just a handful, but they post a lot) on themat, who seem to have made it an occupation to paint anything related to the Iowa program in the worst light. Those who think Iowa gets a fair shake on that forum isn't paying close attention.

 

[LaxHawk174]

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Cox's foul looked pretty nasty and deserving of the unsportsmanship penalty he received along with the eventual DQ. As Tarp said, we (collegiate wresting) dodged a bullet here. This slamming on the head could've led to a life threatening intracranial hemorrhage or spinal cord injury.

Hawkman is completely right. There is a recurring theme on themat forums whenever an Iowa guy is involved. It goes well beyond Gilman.

DSJ face shoved a guy (Mich St) and all hell broke loose on themat forum, complete with screen captures that paint DSJ in the worst light. But the opponent's punch to DSJ's face that preceded it gets ignored.

Telford got repeatedly kicked in the head and upper back in a match against McMullin of Northwestern, and there was some discussion on themat, but a lot of it defending the kicking.

Molinaro vs Metcalf. Molinaro was warned and subsequently penalized for unsportsman like conduct. Not a peep.

Purdue vs Metcalf. The Purdue wrestler was DQ after repeatedly kneeing Metcalf in the face. Minimal discussion.

Pico vs Metcalf. Pico warned and subsequently penalized for repeatedly hitting Metcalf in the head. Virtually no discussion. Heaven forbid if it was the other way around.

Varner once tore the headgear off an opponent and was penalized. Another time he shoved Kish out of bounds after the buzzer and then had his hands around Kish's throat. Not a mention.

Not saying these things are any big deal. But it just points out the double standard when it comes to an Iowa wrestler.

Cox's infraction will soon be forgotten. No such luck for Metcalf (vs Caldwell).... one that has gone on for years, even to this day.

Metcalf's bumping into Caldwell, following Caldwell running away for the last ~3-4 seconds of the match, and Metcalf chasing him. Contact is made at the edge of the circle, a split second after the buzzer as Caldwell started his flip in bounds, while the clock was still running. The cheap shots Metcalf received are forgotten, but the Caldwell incident, very minor compared to Cox's, imho, get blown up and repeated. Many on themat trash Brands for that as well.

And it goes beyond wrestling. An illegal hunting or shoplifting incident by an Iowa wrestler can be fodder for criticism. But drunk driving, resisting arrest, rape or more serious offenses that may occur at some other school are mostly ignored.

I understand that when you are #1 you'll get more attention and ink. But there are some serious rabid posters (just a handful, but they post a lot) on themat, who seem to have made it an occupation to paint anything related to the Iowa program in the worst light. Those who think Iowa gets a fair shake on that forum isn't paying close attention.

Couldn't have put it any clearer than that. Completely agree with you.

 

[wasdt21]

it's two different disscussions, does iowa get a fair shake? no so what wouldn't have it anyother way,if your not with us your against us, great let's get after it. second discussion was cox being a dick. I saw it alittle different. wellington was standing up and in the process of turning into cox, but he changed and started to turn back the other way.all the momentum went that way harder than if wellington had been going into cox.after the match cox acted strange, I had more problems with that.but if you take someone off the ground you are responcible to return them safely so he deserved a dq.

 

[Azchief32]

I remember people jumping on Gilman when he pushed a guy (think it was Minne) who had gassed and wouldn't get up near the edge...Gilman looked at the ref who wouldn't blow the whistle so Gilman gave him a hard shove out to get the whistle.

Gilman is aggressive and wants non stop action...he isn't a bully. A bully would taunt lesser opponents who they should beat. He usually only does this when guys quit wrestling or are trying to get blows. Personally, I wish more guys had his attitude...love the kid.

 

[Stanley75]

Do they have 9 guys without cox?

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Do they have 9 guys without cox?

Bravo

 

[Chopper25]

Bad deal what happened but aren't all of us as wrestlers told we wrestle till the whistle we don't let up at the edge we don't worry about where we are on the mat we wrestle hard all the way till the whistle blows. Should Cox have just let up and not kept wrestling hard? Wasn't that what Metcalf said in his interview after the Cadwell incident that you wrestle hard till the end and that's what he was doing? Yes it's a bad deal and I am happy to hear that Wellington isn't hurt, but we can't have it both ways guys. We can't say we want guys to wrestle like Gilman and give a shove at the edge but then get pissy when a guy is still wrestling hard at the edge and something like this happens.

As for Cox's actions of throwing his headgear, I've seen plenty of our guys throw a fit when they lost because of something dumb they did, I've seen plenty of our guys throw a fit when they just flat out got beat. Should it have been done in the back hallway? Yes, but emotions get the best of us all at some point.

I don't think to many are looking for Cox to be over penalized for his actions. I think the double standard from the wrestling world is why this is still being talked about. I for one like when Gilman gets a little chippy or when Ramos flexed after big wins. It makes things exciting and gives people something to talk about.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Bad deal what happened but aren't all of us as wrestlers told we wrestle till the whistle we don't let up at the edge we don't worry about where we are on the mat we wrestle hard all the way till the whistle blows. Should Cox have just let up and not kept wrestling hard? Wasn't that what Metcalf said in his interview after the Cadwell incident that you wrestle hard till the end and that's what he was doing? Yes it's a bad deal and I am happy to hear that Wellington isn't hurt, but we can't have it both ways guys. We can't say we want guys to wrestle like Gilman and give a shove at the edge but then get pissy when a guy is still wrestling hard at the edge and something like this happens.

As for Cox's actions of throwing his headgear, I've seen plenty of our guys throw a fit when they lost because of something dumb they did, I've seen plenty of our guys throw a fit when they just flat out got beat. Should it have been done in the back hallway? Yes, but emotions get the best of us all at some point.

I have no problem at all with wrestling to the whistle and wrestling hard on the edge. However, there's a HUGE difference between those things and launching a guy onto his head AFTER going out of bounds. None of what Cox did was the least bit helpful or necessary. They were already out of bounds. Frankly, he should have been called for stalling for running Wellington out of bounds as Wellington worked to escape, but that's beside the point.

There's a HUGE difference between this and what Metcalf did in the Caldwell match, where he actually was just wrestling to the whistle when Caldwell decided to become a gymnast with about 5 second left. He chased him in an effort to take him down -- nothing more. He had no way of knowing Caldwell would launch himself into a back flip. If Metcalf had grabbed Caldwell out of bounds and thrown him on his head, we'd be comparing apples to apples. Where reality is concerned, we're comparing an apple and an orange.

 

[Azchief32]

+1 WDM

 

[HAWKMANN]

Actually Metcalf was still in bounds (which means wrestling should technically continue) when he pushed Caldwell but it was about 1 to 2 seconds after the clock hit zero. Bad look for Brent either way.

 

[natchrlman]

looks like Flo must have taken the video of this down...I wanted to see it because of the discussion on here....I've searched on youtube...flo ....google can't find a single clip of it....apparently so not to stir up controversy? Found it odd that it seems to have disappeared....I am an old fart so maybe I'm just not good with the internet...I will say have never heard anything but good about this kids character...was suprised to hear about this

 

[Cal98]

looks like Flo must have taken the video of this down...I wanted to see it because of the discussion on here....I've searched on youtube...flo ....google can't find a single clip of it....apparently so not to stir up controversy? Found it odd that it seems to have disappeared....I am an old fart so maybe I'm just not good with the internet...I will say have never heard anything but good about this kids character...was suprised to hear about this

The whole dual is available for viewing at WatchEspn. In fact, they show quite a bit of wrestling if you haven't discovered it already. You'll need a participating cable/satellite/telecommunications provider but most except the "cord cutters" should be able to access it. If not, just sweet talk a directv, dish, mediacom, etc subscriber to give you their login and pw. The WatchEspn is a pretty sweet app. Can watch a lot of wrestling (or other sports) through computer, phone, roku, xbox, and ipad just to name a few.

http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2718694/

 

[natchrlman]

The whole dual is available for viewing at WatchEspn. In fact, they show quite a bit of wrestling if you haven't discovered it already. You'll need a participating cable/satellite/telecommunications provider but most except the "cord cutters" should be able to access it. If not, just sweet talk a directv, dish, mediacom, etc subscriber to give you their login and pw. The WatchEspn is a pretty sweet app. Can watch a lot of wrestling (or other sports) through computer, phone, roku, xbox, and ipad just to name a few.

http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2718694/

Thanks Cal....duh not sure why I didnt think of that....have watch espn on my tablet and watch stuff on espn3 on it....I'm in a camper in NE Iowa for the week deerhunting....when I get back to civilization....and wifi I'll look it up....have two daughters with Iphones....data is at a premium ....and no pics nobody even ask

 

[gablefan73]

True but by the rule Cox was still inbounds when he started the lift or at least it looked like he was. Both situations make the guy look bad. In both cases I hope that there wasn't intent to try to hurt the opponent but other than the guys in the match no one knows for sure.

No he wasn't. It was a punk move. Smith has a team full of punks down there. Missouri is a perfect SEC dirty team.

 

[TarpHawk]

I've re-watched both videos. Cox's action was far worse.

Metcalf chased a celebrating Caldwell across the mat with time left on the clock, then shoved him in mid-flip, on the boundary edge, 2 seconds after the whistle. It was a dirty shove; he should've and could've stopped himself. Caldwell bears some responsibility for turning his back on Metcalf and beginning his celebration in the middle of the mat before the match ended (3 seconds left), which provoked Metcalf to chase after him. Metcalf then calmly shook Caldwell's hand. Moral failure on Metcalf's part on a 1-10 scale: 4.

Cox began his lift out of bounds, continued all the way to the scorer's table, then dumped his opponent head-first, with force, onto the wooden floor. There is no possibility that he didn't realize they were off the mat. There is no possibility that his move wasn't intended to hurt his opponent--it was much more than a shove. There was no action on the opponent's part (e.g. doing a backflip) to put himself in danger. When informed of the DQ, Cox stormed off in anger, throwing his headgear. Moral failure on Cox's part on a 1-10 scale: 9.

 

[AFHawk86]

Not the dreaded moral failure index! You should copyright this term...pure genius

 

[rossel 33]

Saying that they aren't the same isn't really true. Metcalf was wrestling to the whistle and trying to chase him down yes. however Caldwell was no more in bounds when the shove happened than Wellington was when Cox started his lift. Along with that what move was the attempted shove? Brent made no attempt to cover and the shove would have been to the chest/shoulder area of Caldwell even if the backflip wasn't taking place. Also if you rewatch the match you'll see the shove wasn't attempted until the back flip was happening.

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I disagree. The Metcalf and Cox matches really were quite different. Just to review Metcalf/Caldwell end of match:

Caldwell had built up a 9-3 lead in 3rd period.
:52 sec - Metcalf escapes 9-4
:48 sec - Caldwell takes timeout reportedly for back spasms, for about 1 minute.
match resumes with Metcalf trying to attack and Caldwell backing up.
:15 sec - stall warning against Caldwell
:13 sec - TD Metcalf 9-6.
:10 sec - Metcalf gets off, but Caldwell stays down, completely flat on mat (near edge).
:08 sec - Metcalf is completely off Caldwell looking down at him, as Caldwell continues
to lay face down on mat.
:06 sec - Caldwell gets to his knees and spins out of bounds.
Why Caldwell wasn't called for stalling at this point, or
been given an escape is a mystery to me, since Metcalf wasn't even touching
him.
:05 sec - ref calls OOB, wrestlers back to the center.
:04 sec - Metcalf cuts Caldwell loose, 10-6, and Caldwell starts to run away from
Metcalf.
:02 sec - Caldwell starts to raise hands to begin his double flip, completely in bounds.
:00 sec - Caldwell has completed his first flip with half twist, starting the back flip as
Metcalf is close to contact. Still in bounds. As Caldwell's knees come up, Metcalf
brings his hands in front of him. While it gives the appearance of a shove (mild at
best), it can also be said that if he doesn't bring his hands up, the spinning
Caldwell would've hit Metcalf in the face with his knees (look at the 1:09 time to
see the contact).



After this Caldwell hits lands on the mat, quickly gets up smiling and overjoyed. Metcalf shakes his hand. The announcers say NCSt penalized a team point for premature celebration.

I may be a little biased, but I really don't see this as anything close to what Cox did. Metcalf was merely wrestling to the buzzer. With Caldwell running away and starting the double flip in bounds with 2 sec on the clock, I don't think Metcalf, of all people, is going to stop wrestling, particularly when the buzzer hasn't yet sounded. His momentum (sprinting after Caldwell) at edge of mat, coupled with Caldwell now in his 2nd flip leads to a collision. In retrospect, maybe Metcalf should've not pursued and just given up at 4 or 3 sec, but he's not wired that way. Then the winner Caldwell gets up quickly, celebrates, no injury, and hands were shaken at the end of match.

Cox's lifting Wellington up out of bounds and dumping him straight down on his head on the hardwood floor was far more flagrant and extremely dangerous. I hope Wellington has no lasting brain or neck injury from that.

 

[Jaybird319]

I remember people jumping on Gilman when he pushed a guy (think it was Minne) who had gassed and wouldn't get up near the edge...Gilman looked at the ref who wouldn't blow the whistle so Gilman gave him a hard shove out to get the whistle.

Gilman is aggressive and wants non stop action...he isn't a bully. A bully would taunt lesser opponents who they should beat. He usually only does this when guys quit wrestling or are trying to get blows. Personally, I wish more guys had his attitude...love the kid.

Pretty sure that was Ethan Lizak, Gilman tech falls the kid. Most people remember the pre-match handshake in Minnys huddle.

 

[Azchief32]

Pretty sure that was Ethan Lizak, Gilman tech falls the kid. Most people remember the pre-match handshake in Minnys huddle.

Jay...I think you are correct. He was called a dirty wrestled for that one. Liza's had gassed pretty badly.

 

[Scryed]

Honest question - have the people who are saying the lift began out of bounds even watched the video? It's very obvious the lift began while Cox had one foot in bounds (which last I checked, is still in bounds according to the rules). Second, there is no evidence to suggest that Cox tried slamming Wellington on his head. His foot hit the scorer's table which may or may not have stopped his motion and caused him to rotate the top half of his body, nobody knows this for sure. I think the bigger issue is Cox's fit after Wellington was unable to continue the match. Accept the call like a man and move on - but this is a very emotional sport so I can somewhat (very somewhat) understand the emotions he's feeling, if not the actions. This is the same reasoning I have for forgiving Metcalf on pushing down Caldwell after his NCAA finals loss. It wasn't his best showing, but emotions are high in those situations. Caldwell and Metcalf both said they were sorry for what happened, and we all moved on. Hopefully Cox says something similar about the incident.

As far as the whining of TheMat not bashing Cox as much, the conversation is still ongoing and almost at 5 pages now, so I wouldn't say that your guys get an unfair thrashing on the message boards. Gilman acts like a dick a LOT. His action against Waters last year at the National Duals is far worse in my mind than what Cox did to Wellington, as it was 100% deliberate and can't even be argued. If you guys really want to wave a fist at flagrant misconduct you should look at ODU's Austin Eads who just got DQ'd for punching his opponent in the *ahem* junk.

 

[lockjovi]

At full speed it looks terrible but both wrestlers are in bounds when the lift starts and Cox still has his left foot in bounds when Wellington is completely off the ground. At the edge of the mat Cox takes a step out with his right leg while his left is in bounds and then a follow through step with his left leg.

Now if only I can figure out how to attach a screen capture.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Honest question - have the people who are saying the lift began out of bounds even watched the video? It's very obvious the lift began while Cox had one foot in bounds (which last I checked, is still in bounds according to the rules). Second, there is no evidence to suggest that Cox tried slamming Wellington on his head. His foot hit the scorer's table which may or may not have stopped his motion and caused him to rotate the top half of his body, nobody knows this for sure. I think the bigger issue is Cox's fit after Wellington was unable to continue the match. Accept the call like a man and move on - but this is a very emotional sport so I can somewhat (very somewhat) understand the emotions he's feeling, if not the actions. This is the same reasoning I have for forgiving Metcalf on pushing down Caldwell after his NCAA finals loss. It wasn't his best showing, but emotions are high in those situations. Caldwell and Metcalf both said they were sorry for what happened, and we all moved on. Hopefully Cox says something similar about the incident.

As far as the whining of TheMat not bashing Cox as much, the conversation is still ongoing and almost at 5 pages now, so I wouldn't say that your guys get an unfair thrashing on the message boards. Gilman acts like a dick a LOT. His action against Waters last year at the National Duals is far worse in my mind than what Cox did to Wellington, as it was 100% deliberate and can't even be argued. If you guys really want to wave a fist at flagrant misconduct you should look at ODU's Austin Eads who just got DQ'd for punching his opponent in the *ahem* junk.

You're very wrong on many levels. First off, Cox was on TOP, and literally just running wellington off the mat to prevent an escape. The fact that he has one foot in bounds is totally irrelevant, why the heck would he need to lift and return someone to the mat when he is running him out of bounds, he knows they are nearly out of bounds and the whistle will be called soon (like 99% of any mat savvy college wrestler would). His foot may have been in bounds for a split second when he was just beginning the lift, but the majority of the 'action' was performed out of bounds in a completely unnecessary fashion. And then come on an Iowa board and tell the posters they're whining about Iowa guys not getting a fair shake, and say we do get a fair shake but Gilman acts like a dick a lot. Thanks for the laughs buddy.

 

[Azchief32]

Gilman F-ed up...that said, he had a reputation for being a dick long before the Mizzou dual and for what? Btw, the whistle should have been blown when Gilman was standing.

As for what was worse, just heard Wellington is out for a month. Also, Cox did what he did out of anger...Gilman's was an act of desperation. Doesn't make it right, but let's not pretend that Gilman was trying to hurt the little Lord of the Dance from Mizzou.

 

[Scryed]

1. It was stated multiple times on here that the lift was started out of bounds, when there is evidence that that's not remotely true. I would say that it is 100% relevant based on comments made here.
2. I was not the one who started the fair shake commentary, I was responding to other's posts on here as well.
3. Gilman without a doubt acts like a turd a lot. I like how he wrestles, but not always his extracurriculars. He is the only wrestler currently in college (that I'm aware of) who has inspired a rule change because of his on the mat actions.
4. You're welcome, buddy.

 

[LaxHawk174]

1. It was stated multiple times on here that the lift was started out of bounds, when there is evidence that that's not remotely true. I would say that it is 100% relevant based on comments made here.
2. I was not the one who started the fair shake commentary, I was responding to other's posts on here as well.
3. Gilman without a doubt acts like a turd a lot. I like how he wrestles, but not always his extracurriculars. He is the only wrestler currently in college (that I'm aware of) who has inspired a rule change because of his on the mat actions.
4. You're welcome, buddy.

1. It may be relevant to the response of other posters, but I feel it is not relevant to the situation. We can agree to disagree.
2. I didn't say you started the fair shake deal, but you commented on it bringing yourself into the convo. "so I wouldn't say that your guys get an unfair thrashing on the message boards". I don't think you read the mat forums that much if you think Iowa guys get a fair shake. Refer to rossels multiple posts on this same thread.
3. Gilman wrestles hard, just like PLENTY of guys do. He gets a bad rep for trying to get into his opponents head (i.e. maybe a little shove out of bounds not uncommon for a ton of college wrestlers, going into the opposing huddle to shake hands.) I didn't agree with gilmans slam, but it was a desperation move against Waters blatant stalling. Waters acted like JUST as much of a 'turd' that match and in a ton of matches i've watched of him, yet it is overlooked by nearly everyone because he is from Mizzou and Gilman from Iowa.
4. I'm not your buddy, friend.

 

[gablefan73]

Honest question - have the people who are saying the lift began out of bounds even watched the video? It's very obvious the lift began while Cox had one foot in bounds (which last I checked, is still in bounds according to the rules). Second, there is no evidence to suggest that Cox tried slamming Wellington on his head. His foot hit the scorer's table which may or may not have stopped his motion and caused him to rotate the top half of his body, nobody knows this for sure. I think the bigger issue is Cox's fit after Wellington was unable to continue the match. Accept the call like a man and move on - but this is a very emotional sport so I can somewhat (very somewhat) understand the emotions he's feeling, if not the actions. This is the same reasoning I have for forgiving Metcalf on pushing down Caldwell after his NCAA finals loss. It wasn't his best showing, but emotions are high in those situations. Caldwell and Metcalf both said they were sorry for what happened, and we all moved on. Hopefully Cox says something similar about the incident.

As far as the whining of TheMat not bashing Cox as much, the conversation is still ongoing and almost at 5 pages now, so I wouldn't say that your guys get an unfair thrashing on the message boards. Gilman acts like a dick a LOT. His action against Waters last year at the National Duals is far worse in my mind than what Cox did to Wellington, as it was 100% deliberate and can't even be argued. If you guys really want to wave a fist at flagrant misconduct you should look at ODU's Austin Eads who just got DQ'd for punching his opponent in the *ahem* junk.

There is no such thing as an honest question from a Iowa hating troll like you.

 

[WildTurk]

How can anyone think what Gilman did was worse than Cox? Waters was stalling on Gilman back. Time was running out. He had to try something! Anything! İ would have done the same thing. Cox in no way was making a desperation attempt to win against someone that was stalling. He just got mad and launched the guy onto his head. No comparison at all!

 

[XiXiTiger]

Maybe because Gilman made a conscious decision to use an illegal move. He was frustrated and intentionally tried to hurt someone he couldn't beat within the rules.

Cox's return was irresponsible and he deserved the DQ, but there's no evidence that it was intentional. If you watch the replay, Wellington's body blocked Cox's view of where they were relative to the line. IMO, Cox was wrestling hard as it was a 0-0 match and he was trying to prevent an escape or stall call (for pushing Wellington out).

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

At full speed it looks terrible but both wrestlers are in bounds when the lift starts and Cox still has his left foot in bounds when Wellington is completely off the ground. At the edge of the mat Cox takes a step out with his right leg while his left is in bounds and then a follow through step with his left leg.

Now if only I can figure out how to attach a screen capture.

Wrong.

 

[TarpHawk]

http://giphy.com/gifs/3o8dp6108LlQl0V8ME

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Just to add to the "fair shake" discussion. I recall Mike Evans getting a ton of shit last year for making a frustrated and emotional gesture for his obviously gassed opponent to get back to the center and wrestle him. Another Iowa wrestler who got labeled a "bad guy" because he wrestles hard. Ramos, Metcalf, Gillman are all unfairly categorized as "thug" type wrestlers because they push the pace, are intense and make their opponents wrestle them.

 

[neversurrender]

Is some of the reason our guys getting labeled as thugs that they let their emotions show on the mat? Stieber, taylor, ruth, imar, there are lots of others those are just the first 5 I thought of, those guys all push the pace but don't have that label, why? Is it just the fact that we are Iowa so we get the bad rap or is it how our guys act? Those other guys all have people who try to keep the points low and try to stall out against them but I can't remember them ever letting the emotional side show where they make a gesture like Evans, get the attitude like Gilman or Ramos. All those guys but Imar lost college matches and I can't remember them getting pissy and throwing a fit and let their emotions get the best of them. Is it that we just have guys who wear their heart on their sleeve to much? Do we just not see enough of the others to realize it happens? Or is it that our guys think they need to carry this tough guy attitude because that's how Iowa is supposed to be?