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Cruz to introduce bill to bar Syrian refugees

Does anyone in this thread actually know what the process is for taking in the refugees? Because if you don't this entire exercise is a giant waste of time.


SECURITY SCREENING OF REFUGEES ADMITTED TO THE UNITED STATES: A DETAILED, RIGOROUS PROCESS
2231 Crystal Drive, Suite 350 • Arlington,VA 22202 • Tel: (703)310.1130 • Fax: (703)769.4241
www.refugees.org
Resettlement is considered a durable solution for refugees who cannot return to their countries of origin or integrate into the current country that is hosting them. Resettlement to a country like the U.S. presents a life-saving alternative for a very small number of refugees around the world (less than one half of one percent). Refugees seeking resettlement in the United States must pass through a number of steps aimed at ensuring that they will not pose a security risk to the United States.
—STEP 1 Refugee Status:
In most cases the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) determines that the individual qualifies as a refugee under international law.
A
refugee
is someone who has fled from his or her home country and cannot return because he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on religion, race, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particu-lar social group
.
—STEP 2 Referral to the United States:
A refugee that meets one of the criteria for resettlement in the United States is referred to the U.S. government by UNHCR, a U.S. Embassy, or a trained Non-Gov-ernmental Organization.
—STEP 3 Resettlement Support Center:
A Resettlement Support Center (RSC), contracted by the U.S. Department of State, compiles the refugee’s personal data and background information for the se-curity clearance process and to present to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for an in-person interview.
—STEP 4 Security Clearance Process:
With information collected by the RSC, a number of security checks are conducted. The State Department runs the names of all refugees referred to the United States for resettlement through a standard CLASS (Consular Lookout and Support System) name check. In addition, enhanced interagency security checks were phased in beginning in 2008 and applied to all refugee applicants by 2010.
STEP 5 Security Clearance Process:
Certain refugees undergo an additional security review called a Se-curity Advisory Opinion (SAO). These cases require a positive SAO clearance from a number of U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies in order to continue the resettlement process. When required, this step runs concurrently with Step 4.
U.S. COMMITTEE FOR REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS
*Note that under limited circumstances, refugee applicants may be interviewed in their home country rather than in a country of asylum.
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STEP 6 Security Clearance Process:
Refugees who meet the minimum age requirement have their finger-prints and photograph taken by a trained U.S. government employee, usually on the same day as their DHS interview. The fingerprints are then checked against various U.S. government databases and information on any matches is reviewed by DHS.
—STEP 7 In-person Interview:
All refugee applicants are interviewed by an officer from
DHS’s U.S. Citizen-ship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
. A trained officer will travel to the country of asylum* to conduct a detailed, face-to- face interview with each refugee applicant being considered for resettle-ment. Based on the information in the refugee’s case file and on the interview, the DHS officer will determine if the individual qualifies as a refugee and is admissible under U.S. law.
STEP 8DHS Approval:
If the USCIS officer finds that the individual qualifies as a refugee and meets other U.S. admission criteria, the officer will conditionally approve the refugee’s application for resettlement and submit it to the U.S. Department of State for final processing. Conditional approvals become final once the results of all security checks (Steps 4, 5, and 6) have been received and cleared.
—STEP 9 Medical Screening:
All refugee applicants approved for resettlement in the U.S. are required to undergo medical screening conducted by the International Organization for Migration or a physician designated by the U.S. Embassy.
STEP 10Matching Refugees with a Sponsor Agency:
Every refugee is assigned to a Voluntary Agency in the U.S., such as the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants (USCRI). USCRI will place refu-gees with a local partner agency or office that will assist refugees upon their arrival in the U.S.

STEP 11Cultural Orientation:
In addition, refugees approved for resettlement are offered cultural orienta- tion while waiting for final processing, to prepare them for their journey to and initial resettlement in the United States.
—STEP 12Security Clearance Process:
Prior to departure to the U.S., a second interagency check is con-ducted for most refugees to check for any new information. Refugees must clear this check in order to depart to the U.S.
STEP 13 Admission to the United States:
Upon arrival at one of five U.S. airports designated as ports of entry for refugee admissions, a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer will review the refugee documentation and conduct additional security checks to ensure that the arriving refugee is the same person who was screened and approved for admission to the United States.
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Come to think of it, what a great way to damage America. Send an agent to America under the guise of fleeing oppression. Let him raise a prodigy child who excels academically and attends some of the most elite schools. Let him rise in government and espouse the most American ideals as he runs for President, and once he wins the Castro brothers activate him.
 
And there's where I part ways with you. The terrorists want us dead. The refugees just want a better life. Since these are refugees, they fall under the stirring words written on our own Statue of Liberty.
And some of them are going to be terrorists. Some are already planted. Again...not ONE good thing will come of this. Agree to disagree.
 
Where's the proof that any of the refugees taken in so far have been ISIS?

France has proof. And I don't believe we've taken any in yet, have we.

Aside from that, I'm asking if you think ISIS will intermingle with the refugees. Anxiously waiting your "I don't know" answer.
 
Salient point. Even so, the US has a long history of taking in refugees. From Jews escaping the Nazis, to Europeans escaping Communism, to Indochina, to Cubans, to Vietnamese. We've always taken in refugees. Syrians are really no different.

No, they aren't different. And yes, we have always taken in refugees, and it's the right thing to do. However, I think even a thimble brained person like you can realize these are different times, and we have to figure out a way, which I don't think can happen, to weed out the ISIS infiltrators from the actual refugees. The world has, and is changing for the worse.

What would you say to the victims in America of an attack(s) perpetrated by ISIS combatants that made their way into this country along with the innocent Syrian refugees?

I'm not for unilaterally dismissing all Syrian immigrants, but, as Ciggy likes to say, any sane person should understand the risk that we face by bringing in such a large population of refugees without a way to weed out those with intentions of doing harm to Americans. Again, I'm not talking about the average Syrian refugee.
 
SECURITY SCREENING OF REFUGEES ADMITTED TO THE UNITED STATES: A DETAILED, RIGOROUS PROCESS
2231 Crystal Drive, Suite 350 • Arlington,VA 22202 • Tel: (703)310.1130 • Fax: (703)769.4241
www.refugees.org
Resettlement is considered a durable solution for refugees who cannot return to their countries of origin or integrate into the current country that is hosting them. Resettlement to a country like the U.S. presents a life-saving alternative for a very small number of refugees around the world (less than one half of one percent). Refugees seeking resettlement in the United States must pass through a number of steps aimed at ensuring that they will not pose a security risk to the United States.
—STEP 1 Refugee Status:
In most cases the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) determines that the individual qualifies as a refugee under international law.
A
refugee
is someone who has fled from his or her home country and cannot return because he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on religion, race, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particu-lar social group
.
—STEP 2 Referral to the United States:
A refugee that meets one of the criteria for resettlement in the United States is referred to the U.S. government by UNHCR, a U.S. Embassy, or a trained Non-Gov-ernmental Organization.
—STEP 3 Resettlement Support Center:
A Resettlement Support Center (RSC), contracted by the U.S. Department of State, compiles the refugee’s personal data and background information for the se-curity clearance process and to present to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for an in-person interview.
—STEP 4 Security Clearance Process:
With information collected by the RSC, a number of security checks are conducted. The State Department runs the names of all refugees referred to the United States for resettlement through a standard CLASS (Consular Lookout and Support System) name check. In addition, enhanced interagency security checks were phased in beginning in 2008 and applied to all refugee applicants by 2010.
STEP 5 Security Clearance Process:
Certain refugees undergo an additional security review called a Se-curity Advisory Opinion (SAO). These cases require a positive SAO clearance from a number of U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies in order to continue the resettlement process. When required, this step runs concurrently with Step 4.
U.S. COMMITTEE FOR REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS
*Note that under limited circumstances, refugee applicants may be interviewed in their home country rather than in a country of asylum.
1-8e1085216c.jpg
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STEP 6 Security Clearance Process:
Refugees who meet the minimum age requirement have their finger-prints and photograph taken by a trained U.S. government employee, usually on the same day as their DHS interview. The fingerprints are then checked against various U.S. government databases and information on any matches is reviewed by DHS.
—STEP 7 In-person Interview:
All refugee applicants are interviewed by an officer from
DHS’s U.S. Citizen-ship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
. A trained officer will travel to the country of asylum* to conduct a detailed, face-to- face interview with each refugee applicant being considered for resettle-ment. Based on the information in the refugee’s case file and on the interview, the DHS officer will determine if the individual qualifies as a refugee and is admissible under U.S. law.
STEP 8DHS Approval:
If the USCIS officer finds that the individual qualifies as a refugee and meets other U.S. admission criteria, the officer will conditionally approve the refugee’s application for resettlement and submit it to the U.S. Department of State for final processing. Conditional approvals become final once the results of all security checks (Steps 4, 5, and 6) have been received and cleared.
—STEP 9 Medical Screening:
All refugee applicants approved for resettlement in the U.S. are required to undergo medical screening conducted by the International Organization for Migration or a physician designated by the U.S. Embassy.
STEP 10Matching Refugees with a Sponsor Agency:
Every refugee is assigned to a Voluntary Agency in the U.S., such as the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants (USCRI). USCRI will place refu-gees with a local partner agency or office that will assist refugees upon their arrival in the U.S.

STEP 11Cultural Orientation:
In addition, refugees approved for resettlement are offered cultural orienta- tion while waiting for final processing, to prepare them for their journey to and initial resettlement in the United States.
—STEP 12Security Clearance Process:
Prior to departure to the U.S., a second interagency check is con-ducted for most refugees to check for any new information. Refugees must clear this check in order to depart to the U.S.
STEP 13 Admission to the United States:
Upon arrival at one of five U.S. airports designated as ports of entry for refugee admissions, a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer will review the refugee documentation and conduct additional security checks to ensure that the arriving refugee is the same person who was screened and approved for admission to the United States.
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Thank you. It looks to me like we are doing it correctly and not just letting anyone into the country.
 
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France has proof. And I don't believe we've taken any in yet, have we.

Aside from that, I'm asking if you think ISIS will intermingle with the refugees. Anxiously waiting your "I don't know" answer.
Yeah, no, they don't.
 
Didn't one of the guys confess to being part of ISIS? I'm pretty sure that I heard that on CNN.
I'm pretty sure you heard you mom getting nailed by the Muslim guy across the hall. Why else would you be so pissed at them?
 
Let's make a stupid argument that the NRA defenders among you will understand...

Even if somehow a few terrorists sneak thru with the tens of thousands of refugees they will likely kill less people than the defective automobiles that we will import from our trade partners during the same time period. Does that mean we should BAN CARS!!!??!!?!??!!??
 
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I'm pretty sure you heard you mom getting nailed by the Muslim guy across the hall. Why else would you be so pissed at them?

I don't hate Muslims. I've met quite a few Muslims in my time on this Earth, and they've always seemed like decent people to me. You're just taking my concerns with allowing these refugees into the United States and twisting it into something that you feel you can attack me with.
 
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Let's make a stupid argument that the NRA defenders among you will understand...

Even if somehow a few terrorists sneak thru with the tens of thousands of refugees they will likely kill less people than the defective automobiles that we will import from our trade partners during the same time period. Does that mean we should BAN CARS!!!??!!?!??!!??

No, but that means we shouldn't allow those cars into the country where they could do damage and cost lives and monetary issues.

Edit: You really make some bad analogies, dude.
 
I don't hate Muslims. I've met quite a few Muslims in my time on this Earth, and they've always seemed like decent people to me. You're just taking my concerns with allowing these refugees into the United States and twisting it into something that you feel you can attack me with.
Smells like the "I like gays but just don't think they deserve rights" argument to me.
 
No, but that means we shouldn't allow those cars into the country where they could do damage and cost lives and monetary issues.

Edit: You really make some bad analogies, dude.
You really missed the point. He's making fun of the NRA's bad analogy.
 
If you guys wanted a serious discussion, then why did you start making up facts about refugees being terrorists?
So you are willing to take the risk. You truly believe that 0% of the Syrians allowed in our country will end up trying to kill Americans on our own soil? You TRULY believe that? Again...I have yet to see ONE GOOD REASON why we should allow these people into our country other than it makes some on the far left feel good about themselves. Allowing these people into our country will put American lives at risk. This is a horrible idea. The world is a different place than it was when the founding fathers were trying to establish the ideal America.
 
I'll be honest, I'm more worried about the economic and social problems than I am the violence problems. That being said, there's no way for anyone to know what the U.S. is importing.
You said that you heard that refugees were terrorists on CNN. I said that you heard you mom getting banged by the super next door. Clearly we both made something up in this thread.
 
So you are willing to take the risk. You truly believe that 0% of the Syrians allowed in our country will end up trying to kill Americans on our own soil? You TRULY believe that? Again...I have yet to see ONE GOOD REASON why we should allow these people into our country other than it makes some on the far left feel good about themselves. Allowing these people into our country will put American lives at risk. This is a horrible idea. The world is a different place than it was when the founding fathers were trying to establish the ideal America.
Obviously we can't know for certain. But we couldn't know for certain that the Jews we let in during WWII weren't secret Nazis or that the Europeans we let in during the red scare weren't secret Communists. But you know what? We let them in anyway. And do you know why? Because those are some of the ideals that this country was built on and we display proudly in the harbor of New York as what being American is all about.

The fact is that there is no proof that these refugees are secret ISIS plants. And absent any reasonable evidence that suggests that they might try to kill us, we have to do the adult thing and consider them to be ordinary people instead of murderers.

If the United States reaches a point where we consider people to be murderers and terrorists simply because of the color of their skin or the religion they worship, then we will have indeed lost our way.
 
It isn't our responsibility. We can't take care of our responsibilities on our own soil. Yeah...let's bring in more problems. Especially people who will bring nothing to enhance American society. Stop being potatoes. This crap has been going on my entire life. Why bring headaches from the middle east into America. It would just be a stupid thing to do.
Denying that we have any responsibility - for creating the conditions that have produced this humanitarian crisis - either makes you a sociopath or disqualifies you as a serious thinker. Or both.

Don't feel bad, that puts you right down there with most of the GOP candidates.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if ANY of the GOP candidates have displayed a moral compass on this?
 
Obviously we can't know for certain. But we couldn't know for certain that the Jews we let in during WWII weren't secret Nazis or that the Europeans we let in during the red scare weren't secret Communists. But you know what? We let them in anyway. And do you know why? Because those are some of the ideals that this country was built on and we display proudly in the harbor of New York as what being American is all about.

The fact is that there is no proof that these refugees are secret ISIS plants. And absent any reasonable evidence that suggests that they might try to kill us, we have to do the adult thing and consider them to be ordinary people instead of murderers.

If the United States reaches a point where we consider people to be murderers and terrorists simply because of the color of their skin or the religion they worship, then we will have indeed lost our way.
Well said.
 
If you guys wanted a serious discussion, then why did you start making up facts about refugees being terrorists?

From what I have seen nobody is making up facts. I think it is a legitimate concern the even some people the serve in the government have talked about. Mostly that there is no data base to draw from on background.

And even if someone makes up a fact it doesn't excuse you acting like a middle schooler.
 
I like how you get on your little soapbox and grandstand about what this country was built on, yet you're against pretty much anything else this country was built on.

Do you know what the real irony of all this is, without implementation of big government ideals, this wouldn't be a big deal at all.
 
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From what I have seen nobody is making up facts. I think it is a legitimate concern the even some people the serve in the government have talked about. Mostly that there is no data base to draw from on background.

And even if someone makes up a fact it doesn't excuse you acting like a middle schooler.
Interesting. So even though you freely admit that there is no data that shows that they are, you still reserve the right to claim it as fact that these refugees are indeed terrorists.

I'm not sure you understand what a fact is.

And I'll always reserve the right to act like a middle schooler when you guys openly admit that you're simply making shit up.
 
I like how you get on your little soapbox and grandstand about what this country was built on, yet you're against pretty much anything else this country was built on.

Do you know what the real irony of all this is, without implementation of big government ideals, this wouldn't be a big deal at all.
Please. By all means explain to me precisely what ideals that this country was built on that I'm against? Something tells me all you've got is something about the 2nd amendment and how it guarantees the right to guns no matter what, even though the 2nd doesn't actually say this.
 
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