Account created five years ago to post his first message today in order to back up Fran’s recruiting. You’re right, I think he’s trolling....
D.J. Harvey headed to Vanderbilt
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Account created five years ago to post his first message today in order to back up Fran’s recruiting. You’re right, I think he’s trolling....
Funny. Yet not. Because it's true. We are definitely Whiteyville.... That cannot be good for recruiting black players... sorry, I know a lot of white folk on here do not think that's right. But unless you live the culture you do not know.
I don't think he's clueless at all. He has regularly identified and targeted very good players. Where he's not been as successful is actually landing many outside of guys who grew up being Iowa fans (Cook being the exception).
Where Fran really excelled in his first few years was getting under-the-radar, high upside athletes like Aaron White and Gabe Olaseni and having them blossom into very good players.
The 2020 class pretty much decides Fran's fate at this point. Next year Iowa could/should be pretty good even with the departures of Cook, Moss and Baer (assuming Wieskamp comes back). But Bohannon and Kriener go out the door next year. The remaining roster at that point is meh.
Are you saying we’ll never get another black recruit to commit now that we’re “Whiteyville”??
His account was probably created 5 years ago. It was just his first post on this site.
If you go to another site and post for the first time, your message count will be 1.
Of course not. But it makes a difference.... DJ's dad even mentioned culture as one of the evaluating measurements.
Too bad we did not get him. It would have helped cure that disparity on our roster.
God some “fans” out there are so clueless. Thanks for proving them wrong Mr. Harvey!
I think that's a stretch. I think there were other factors, too, far more important. I was worried that playing time in a total rebuild at Vanderbilt would mean a lot more opportunity. He would have been competing with Weezy and Patrick at Iowa. Both would have as much or more game experience, especially with the Iowa staff. The wing position at Iowa looks pretty good for the next couple of years.
Iowa needs to recruit scoring and point guards, and bigs over the next 2-3 years.
It’s possible Stackhose sold him the opportunity to be a center piece to a rebuilding team. Realistically, Harvey was going to be considered at least 3rd wheel on next year’s team.
I just hope Foster wants to play in Crackerville.
I don’t disagree but I think Dr Tom and Fran are pretty close comparisons. I would say Dr. Tom took “great” talent to good success and that “great” talent came from Raveling’s recruiting. Once Dr. Tom has to rely on his own recruiting, it was pretty similar results to what Fran is doing.
Realistically if someone chose ND previously it likely had to do with academics. If you really think it’s not a logical move to go get a degree from Vandy after leaving ND, you have no clue.
Very accurate. We look more like a YMCA league team in suburbia about to head out to Starbucks. I don’t know why in the world we continue to recruit white guy after white guy. Not the recipe for basketball success.
Stackhouse has been an assistant in the NBA and a head coach in the then D-League after spending 18 years in the Association. In addition, it appears that he is building a roster full of ex-NBA player's sons.
https://sports.yahoo.com/jerry-stac...-team-full-of-nba-players-sons-004114495.html
Vanderbilt, with a new coach and new philosophy vs. Coach McCaffery and his stale coaching staff- that was an easy call.
I would encourage every poster to read and re-read Mr Harvey's post. He took the time to provide a thoughtful and articulate post on the guiding principles for DJ's college selection (as bolded above): 1) academics clearly favor Vandy, 2) basketball program favors IA, 3) family situation I presume to mean closer to home but we have no visibility into that, 4) culture favors Vandy, and 5) personal goals likely equates to the prestige of a Vandy academic degree and DJ likely assured to get more PT to showcase his skills to advance his basketball career.
As he clearly states, the Iowa staff did a tremendous job in selling their vision and stating their case. DJ was indeed a highly coveted transfer and IA ended as his second choice out of many programs that recruited him.
Some of you guys need some perspective. I'm disappointed too as I thought Harvey was going to select the Hawks but the IA program did an outstanding job of gaining a seat at the table and very nearly securing this commitment.
I too would like to thank Mr. Harvey for his post. Well done. Best of luck to DJ and your family.
How many minutes a game does Iowa get out of DJ for coming in 2nd? I may be too cynical but Mr. Harvy's post almost sounded like "it not you it is me" response when someone wants to break up with you.
I disagree, it reads sincere and authenticate to me.
This is why recruiting is such an emotional rollercoaster for fans...It doesn't matter if you make a recruits top five or a final two. As Will Ferrell said in Old School, "If you're not first, you're last"
“Second is just the first loser.
Screw second.”
— Burt Reynolds as Hooper
Screw second.”
— Burt Reynolds as Hooper
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This is the perfect example of the paranoia and inferiority complex that has been created amongst many Iowa fans. Quit trying to read into something a recruits parent so generously came in here to express. Clearly and concisely as well. Some you win and some you don’t but that doesn’t mean Fran or Iowa did something wrong.
Haha....his son didn't choose us like so many others. It was nice for him to chime in and try to make us feel better about another whiff but we are talking about a 9+ year body of work....not just the recruitment of his kid.
Something brewing in TN? What, yet another decade of Vanderbilt SEC irrelevance? Cool. Enjoy the anonymity, kid. Adios.
Seriously? They have visits to the reigning National Champions (Virginia), and a Final Four team (Michigan State), and you think they're coming to Iowa?
We didn't even get a visit after being mentioned in the original 5. That part makes sense to me given the rest of their list.
Talladega Nights?
Probably make the NCAA Tournament again.
Why exactly? I can understand thinking he would be the best option at SG this coming year (I personally don’t necessarily agree) but that has nothing to do with Harvey. And everyone has seen what Moss is for 3 years. I see people wringing there hands about losing him ... and I do get it from a depth standpoint ... but there is plenty of film and proof out there that Moss is not a difference maker and really, he isn’t even an average starting SG in the Big Ten.
We had one guy on here talking about how the top half of the Big Ten won’t even care or worry about Garza and yet he is a far superior and consistent player to Moss. I doubt any Big Ten team was having nightmares about Moss and how they were going to handle him. He’s a guy who should have been coming off the bench and who could maybe provide some instant offense once in a while but an 8th-9th guy in the rotation.
If Frederick starts at SG and gives the team 8-10 points a game and plays adequate defense, he’s providing at least what Moss did if not more. And if he can provide more consistency instead of the the up and down 2 points then 18 points them 4 points of Moss, that’s even better.
Moss is the best they have at his position. It wouldn't be a bad loss if they had someone lined up that was equal or better but they don't. So you are going to see lesser players at 2 spots in the starting lineup plus the best bench player and of the best all around players Iowa had is gone. They will need Bohannon, Wieskamp and Garza to take big strides to make up for the losses. Or they need someone to really come out of no where and be way better than expected. But looking at the lineup right now, it appears to be an NIT team.
I have often thought what might have happened with Iowa had Lute stayed. Would we be a traditional power these days......oh the what-ifs.
I don't think MSU situation is best comparison (I don't know who would be) since Heathcote had already taken them to an elite level before Tommy took over.
He might be the best option at SG but we really don’t know yet. Isn’t it possible that Fran has seen in practice what Frederick brings to the table and thinks he might be better then Moss? Isn’t it possible he wouldn’t commit to promising Moss more minutes and more opportunities because if this? People seem to forget they have seen Frederick compete in practice for a year already. Maybe the staff thinks CJ will be a stronger option.
Or maybe Fran envisions Bohannon playing more SG and is comfortable with Toussaint and Connor handling the majority of the PG duties.
Based on the situation and Moss’s decision, I’m of the belief that Moss didn’t feel particularly confident he was going to get more time and possibly was worried about getting less.
Also, I’m of the opinion that Wieskamp and Garza are going to take huge steps next year as the guys. I definitely could end up wrong but that is what I was calling for and now we will see if it comes to fruition.
The one thing I’d still love to see is a defensive-minded, slashing SG that could immediately play just for depth and doing some things the current team might not (and that Moss could not do). I don’t even care if the guy would be a great shooter. Just someone who would be an above-average defender and attack the rim (and finish) somewhat consistently.
Lute was at Iowa for nine seasons and came very close to landing guys Isiah Thomas, Terry Cummings and Mark Aquirre. I agree, if he had stayed for another five or so we would have seen some of the best recruits in Iowa history come to Iowa City. The result of which could have made the Hawkeyes a college basketball power.
Unless you're inside the program and at practice everyday, your statement is nothing but speculation and it certainly isn't fact based. Team roles and players change every year, it's difficult to say now who will emerge next year for Iowa. I like Moss as a player and a person, but honestly has there been a more inconsistent player than Isaiah during the Fran era? I think not.
I wish DJ the best at Vandy, I'm disappointed he's not coming to Iowa City, but I don't hold it against him. Keep digging Fran!
Vandy is also pulling in Kenyon Martin Jr and Scottie Pippen Jr.....so the move makes sense. He saw potential and went where the high-level talent was going.
I can make educated guesses based on what we have seen from players they have and that is all I am doing.
I was just pointing out that was indeed your best guess and wasn't necessarily fact based, nothing more. Your first two sentences stated that Moss is the best they have at the 2 position and that no one on the roster is equal to or better than Moss. Neither you nor I know that with any certainty going into the 2019-2020 season.
Carry on...
Both of those kids are mid-3 star recruits. And that’s with the best coaching, exposure and name recognition possible.
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