Dasonte Bowen has entered the Transfer Portal (Commits to St. Bonaventure). He was supposed to be "the" PG that Fran finally landed

[RocknRollface]

what a stupid post. If Bowen were a capable starter, he'd be starting.

hell, if he were simply "capable," he's be playing more than 5 minutes tonight.

Nah.

We've already seen this exact scenario play out with Toussaint.

From capable starter as a freshman to pt cut in half as a sophomore to basically out of the lineup at the end of his 3rd year.

If Fran pulled Perkins and Sandfort every time they turned the ball over they would become less effective every game and people would think they suck too.

 

[Fan In Black]

Nah.

We've already seen this exact scenario play out with Toussaint.

From capable starter as a freshman to pt cut in half as a sophomore to basically out of the lineup at the end of his 3rd year.

If Fran pulled Perkins and Sandfort every time they turned the ball over they would become less effective every game and people would think they suck too.

Harding will carry that torch

 

[eyesofhawk]

Fran refuses to play guards.

This has been obvious for a long time now

 

[kceasthawk]

Copy and paste this from game thread:
Haven’t watched a game in awhile, so this is a general observation. 1 thing I would absolutely never trust is Frans development and use of a pg. It’s become very apparent he has no f’n clue what a pg should be and how to use 1 in today’s game! I blame Fran, not Bowen.

And add this:
Bowen was playing pretty well when he was a starter. High assist, low turnover and decent scorer. Then in one of Frans brilliant moves he throws dix out at the 1 against the best and most physical D we’d faced all season in ISU, which we all saw was a disaster from the opening whistle. Then doubles down by moving perk to the 1 and going with a big lineup inserting Owen into the starting lineup against UM. And this isn’t a knock on Dix or Owen because they should be starters. It’s a knock on Fran for not putting his son on the bench where he belongs and playing a lineup that conforms to how college basketball is played these days. It’s not a secret guards win games in today’s landscape!

Yep, and the really sucky thing is we have ZERO guards in next years class. ZERO! Settle in for a crappy stretch.

 

[WestCoastHawkI]

Joe T is playing well For Texas Tech.

He started really hot and has cooled off as of late, but is still pretty solid.

 

[Bank of Hawk]

Fran baby

 

[bansheexyz]

I can't even remember the last time Bowen hit a 3 pointer. Isn't that like... half of what a PG is supposed to do in modern basketball? Bowen is dribble, dribble, dribble, TO. Or dribble, dribble, dribble, missed falling 100mph layup going the other way 5v4.

 

[hawkjt]

I fear that sat game vs Wis we will see a frosh guard in Blackwell that we hoped Bowen would be but just is not. Kid is quick, good size , can shoot it and finish at the rim.

When you add Hepburn and storr , Wis is playing faster than ever. And their two shooters are deadeye shooters.

Wis is quick and athletic on perimeter and strong and big inside...a traditional winning formula in bball.

 

[Barnbomber]

No kidding what a stupid op post. Bowen and Harding should take all pt at the 1. Everyone needs less minutes and more effort.

The season is over and has been for awhile. Fran should play those 2 all of the point minutes to get them some experience for next year. Take minutes from Krikke, PMac, even some from Sandfort and Perkins. I see only one potential win left on the schedule so play for next year. Even if Bowen comes back next year he and Harding will still have the experience of freshmen with the amount they have been playing. Of course this won't happen. Next year looks worse than this year unless Fran changes his tune and gets portal guards.

 

[hawkjt]

Does Fran have NIL money to compete for top recruits and transfers?
I fear not.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

when was the last time we had a first team big ten PG?

JoBo?
Horner?
Woolridge?

Devyn Marble was more of a SG, but also played PG a good amount. He improved more than any other guard in the Fran-era by far. He got much stronger on the ball, greatly improved his jumper, and became a better passer over his time at Iowa.

PG play has been frustrating under Fran, but I’m surprised people think Fran doesn’t know offense. This year’s team still ranks 14th in offensive efficiency and is the highest scoring team in the Big Ten. The issue continues to be defense.

 

[RocknRollface]

What I really don't understand is why Fran plays Bowen for 4 minutes in the first half and then Harding 4 minutes in the second?

May as well just go with Harding in both halves now.

 

[RocknRollface]

Devyn Marble was more of a SG, but also played PG a good amount. He improved more than any other guard in the Fran-era by far. He got much stronger on the ball, greatly improved his jumper, and became a better passer over his time at Iowa.

PG play has been frustrating under Fran, but I’m surprised people think Fran doesn’t know offense. This year’s team still ranks 14th in offensive efficiency and is the highest scoring team in the Big Ten. The issue continues to be defense.

No one said he doesn't know offense. You'd be crazy to think that.

Obviously, he knows exactly what he wants on offense.

He wants 3 point shooting, ball movement, motion and lots of post touches.

Which is why he always ends up playing shooters and post players.

He doesn't want a ball dominate player by his own admission and most good pgs today are going to be ball dominate players because that's how everyone else plays.

 

[Slim45]

What I really don't understand is why Fran plays Bowen for 4 minutes in the first half and then Harding 4 minutes in the second?

May as well just go with Harding in both halves now.

Don’t try to understand Fran, there’s no point. What’s the saying about trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

 

[RocknRollface]

The season is over and has been for awhile. Fran should play those 2 all of the point minutes to get them some experience for next year. Take minutes from Krikke, PMac, even some from Sandfort and Perkins. I see only one potential win left on the schedule so play for next year. Even if Bowen comes back next year he and Harding will still have the experience of freshmen with the amount they have been playing. Of course this won't happen. Next year looks worse than this year unless Fran changes his tune and gets portal guards.

Yep W and Ls don't matter at this point. They haven't for a while but apparently Fran really wants to ride these seniors to an NIT bid.

Then next year can be the rebuilding year where we miss the NIT.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Harding should no doubt be getting the backup PG minutes but this loss is hardly on bowen. Honestly everyone was pretty ass in the last 10 minutes tonight

FIFY

I thought we played well...until we didn't.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Fran is NOT the man. That’s pretty obvious.

I have seen enough “White Magic” myself.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Fran refuses to play guards.

This has been obvious for a long time now

Is it because they suck?

 

[RocknRollface]

Is it because they suck?

Frans ideal pg is a slow lanky white 2 guard.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

what a stupid post. If Bowen were a capable starter, he'd be starting.

hell, if he were simply "capable," he's be playing more than 5 minutes tonight.

Fran obviously is well known for playing the right guys, Especially at the point. What did Harding do so bad last night to warrant his pt? Or Bowden for that matter.

 

[ISUBryceC]

Joe T is playing well For Texas Tech.

That's what I was going to say. Since leaving Iowa Joe T has played well for a WV tourney team and a TT team that is going to make the tourney this year. He's been extremely solid.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

No one said he doesn't know offense. You'd be crazy to think that.

Obviously, he knows exactly what he wants on offense.

He wants 3 point shooting, ball movement, motion and lots of post touches.

Which is why he always ends up playing shooters and post players.

He doesn't want a ball dominate player by his own admission and most good pgs today are going to be ball dominate players because that's how everyone else plays.

Maybe I misunderstood your earlier comment about how Fran's system is not how the modern game is played.

This is our 7th year in a row with a top 20 offensive efficiency offense, even though it feels like a roster that has a lot of ill-fitting pieces. I would love better PG play, and it's been frustrating to see little or no progression from relatively highly recruited PGs like Bowen and Ulis who never developed a reliable outside jumper. But it's hard for me to say that this is a glaring issue given the offense is still incredibly efficient and the defense continues to rank at the bottom of the Big Ten.

What I could buy is that poor PG play means we rely too heavily on our post-players for offense, and that's a big reason why we struggle defensively. Having offensive-first guys like Krikke at the 4 or 5 is a significant hinderance to our defense.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Frans ideal pg is a slow lanky white 2 guard.

I’ve noticed.

Unfortunately, you can’t always find qualified ones working the sales counter at the Pottery Barn, where it seems Fran pours a lot of recruiting resources into.

On top of that, the black kids he recruits at point guard usually aren’t very good, or are seriously deficient in some aspect of the game, or suffer severe anxiety when they first get out on the court because their leash is as long as Fran’s temper.

It’s a joke.

 

[HawkLogic]

Krikke didn't set the world on fire tonight either, 1 rebound and 9 points in 34 minutes, wow, just wow. and then on the radio show, talking to Dolph he says that he is trying to work on his defense. Evidently, it's not sinking in, not going to go back and view the game again but I'd like to know how many easy baskets he allowed by being out of position or just unable to guard, bet it was more then 9 points....

6'8 Krikke 1 rebound in 34 minute and 6'9 PMAC 1 rebound in 18 minutes. I don't understand a coach that lets them get away with that lack of effort. Obviously PMAC is his boy, Krikke scores, which is next best thing to being Fran's son in guaranteeing minutes.

Harding clearly runs the offense better than Bowen and actually he looked better than Perkins did at PG in dribbling around the Maryland ball pressure. I don't know why Fran didn't give Harding some help and put a 2nd guard on the court at same time. 1 tiny PG and 4 forwards that don't rebound and don't shoot the 3ball very well or defend...it was very strange to watch.

My guess is Bowen is gone in portal. Seems unlikely Fran picking up a portal guard. He doesn't have any guards coming in next year. Cooper Koch is not going to fix the lack of guards next year.

 

[HawkLogic]

Maybe I misunderstood your earlier comment about how Fran's system is not how the modern game is played.

This is our 7th year in a row with a top 20 offensive efficiency offense, even though it feels like a roster that has a lot of ill-fitting pieces. I would love better PG play, and it's been frustrating to see little or no progression from relatively highly recruited PGs like Bowen and Ulis who never developed a reliable outside jumper. But it's hard for me to say that this is a glaring issue given the offense is still incredibly efficient and the defense continues to rank at the bottom of the Big Ten.

What I could buy is that poor PG play means we rely too heavily on our post-players for offense, and that's a big reason why we struggle defensively. Having offensive-first guys like Krikke at the 4 or 5 is a significant hinderance to our defense.

He optimizes the roster and playing time for offense at expense of defense/rebounding. That isn't offensive genius because you have to optimize for wins.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

That's what I was going to say. Since leaving Iowa Joe T has played well for a WV tourney team and a TT team that is going to make the tourney this year. He's been extremely solid.

Yeah, it’s amazing what happens when a player doesn’t feel the enormous pressure of being yanked from the game at the first hint of a mistake.

Joe’s biggest crime at Iowa was not having the last name McCaffrey or the look of someone who spent part of his high school years working at the Pottery Barn.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Is it because they suck?

No

 

[eyesofhawk]

Don’t try to understand Fran, there’s no point. What’s the saying about trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

Oh, so clearly Fran must be insane.

I don't agree with how Fran handles his PG's. But God I can't stand when people try to make the insane argument.

If he's insane, then the blame at this point falls on Beth.

What's much closer to crazy behavior comes from fans who literally determine that coaches must be insane, just because they don't understand or agree with how the coach is going about his business.

This one makes fans sound absolutely terrible

 

[Bulldogs1974]

6'8 Krikke 1 rebound in 34 minute and 6'9 PMAC 1 rebound in 18 minutes. I don't understand a coach that lets them get away with that lack of effort. Obviously PMAC is his boy, Krikke scores, which is next best thing to being Fran's son in guaranteeing minutes.

Harding clearly runs the offense better than Bowen and actually he looked better than Perkins did at PG in dribbling around the Maryland ball pressure. I don't know why Fran didn't give Harding some help and put a 2nd guard on the court at same time. 1 tiny PG and 4 forwards that don't rebound and don't shoot the 3ball very well or defend...it was very strange to watch.

My guess is Bowen is gone in portal. Seems unlikely Fran picking up a portal guard. He doesn't have any guards coming in next year. Cooper Koch is not going to fix the lack of guards next year.

Cooper is just more of the same body/skill type that Fran loves. Ie. Himself.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Yeah, it’s amazing what happens when a player doesn’t feel the enormous pressure of being yanked from the game at the first hint of a mistake.

Joe’s biggest crime at Iowa was not having the last name McCaffrey or the look of someone who spent part of his high school years working at the Pottery Barn.

This x1,00000000.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

No

Then what’s the issue?

 

[Slim45]

Oh, so clearly Fran must be insane.

I don't agree with how Fran handles his PG's. But God I can't stand when people try to make the insane argument.

If he's insane, then the blame at this point falls on Beth.

What's much closer to crazy behavior comes from fans who literally determine that coaches must be insane, just because they don't understand or agree with how the coach is going about his business.

This one makes fans sound absolutely terrible

Wtf are you babbling about? Where did I infer that Fran is insane? Merely pointing out that Fran has made zero changes to his coaching philosophy in his time here. So ya, he keeps doing the same thing and must expect different results. If you disagree and think he’s made changes, i would love to hear what they are!

 

[goodbyebobby]

Yeah, it’s amazing what happens when a player doesn’t feel the enormous pressure of being yanked from the game at the first hint of a mistake.

Joe’s biggest crime at Iowa was not having the last name McCaffrey or the look of someone who spent part of his high school years working at the Pottery Barn.

Pottery Barn line doesn't make a lot of sense as Fran recruited him from the Bronx?
Fran is certainly equal opportunity in his screwy choices

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Pottery Barn line doesn't make a lot of sense as Fran recruited him from the Bronx?
Fran is certainly equal opportunity in his screwy choices

You need to reread that.

It explained what Joe was NOT.

 

[RocknRollface]

Maybe I misunderstood your earlier comment about how Fran's system is not how the modern game is played.

This is our 7th year in a row with a top 20 offensive efficiency offense, even though it feels like a roster that has a lot of ill-fitting pieces. I would love better PG play, and it's been frustrating to see little or no progression from relatively highly recruited PGs like Bowen and Ulis who never developed a reliable outside jumper. But it's hard for me to say that this is a glaring issue given the offense is still incredibly efficient and the defense continues to rank at the bottom of the Big Ten.

What I could buy is that poor PG play means we rely too heavily on our post-players for offense, and that's a big reason why we struggle defensively. Having offensive-first guys like Krikke at the 4 or 5 is a significant hinderance to our defense.

Frans style of motion offense is not the way kids grow up playing today, especially "athletic" kids that rely on driving the ball.

It doesn't mean Frans system is wrong or not effective because it is effective at scoring. But he doesn't want players that "pound the ball" and if you watch any NBA game it's all pounding the ball. That's how kids learn to play, especially the most athletic ones.

The problem with not wanting guys who dribble drive all game and have some turnovers is that you get stretches where you can't score and can't get to the line.

It also means that you generally have less athletic players who aren't good at stopping the other team from driving and getting to the line.

This was all on display against a bad team last night.

 

[RocknRollface]

He optimizes the roster and playing time for offense at expense of defense/rebounding. That isn't offensive genius because you have to optimize for wins.

Correct. He'll give up anything on defense to be a little more efficient on offense.

He will not tolerate turnovers though unless it's from a high volume scorer and then it's OK.

This is not the formula that is followed by the rest of the major conference college bball world.

 

[NI hawk]

Harding is small but gives great effort in the defensive end. He just is the best I have seen in the Fran era at creating and generating easy shots for others and getting into the lane.

His outside shot obviously needs work but our offense was so bogged down in the 2nd half. I would have stuck with Brock.

I hate Krikke and PMac on floor together especially against a super athletic MD team.

Our roster just isn’t very good. I am ready for a reset.

Agree Krikke and Patrick can't be on floor at same time. Harding takes a beating by some but I still think he can be a player for Iowa. Providing Fran doesn't ruin him.

 

[twindman]

While we are griping .... Why can't we defend the pick and roll? Time after time Freeman or Krikke are up high with the opponent's center and when the screen comes off, our guard can't get thru so the center shifts over to stop the guard. Leaving our short guards to defend the opponent's center giving up 6-10 inches. Also, often their center is under the basket with no one guarding him while our center is chasing a guard around the perimeter.
I am seriously asking what we need to do?

 

[goodbyebobby]

You need to reread that.

It explained what Joe was NOT.

I got that and remember Joe being yanked constantly.

Fran has a reasonably good eye for talent but is a meh coach for being such an intelligent guy.

 

[CarterHall]

Dasonte's stats tonight:

5 minutes

0 FG attempts
0 FT attempts

0 Points
0 Assists
1 Turnover
0 Steals
1 Rebound

Makes Bryce Cartwright look pretty good.