Dasonte Bowen has entered the Transfer Portal (Commits to St. Bonaventure). He was supposed to be "the" PG that Fran finally landed
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This used to be my stance, but I've come around to Perkins playing the point. He is averaging 4.2 assists a game and less than 2 turnovers. I'd argue that him and Dix are actually the strength of the team.
I like Bowen, he seems a lot like Perkins to me. Quick, athletic, can make his own shot. But I think in terms of being a pure point that can run the team, Harding is better.
No time, so I skipped past earlier posts. Earlier in the year when Bowen was playing more minutes with the other frontline players, he looked pretty good. Over the past month, when he gets only a few minutes, usually without most of the starters, he has looked lost on offense. It is hard to create flow with Patrick, Dembele, etc on the court, and he seems to just dribble around the perimeter, not accomplishing much. Bowen seems to lack the confidence to try to score. He still plays solid defense and he has decent athleticism and handles, so I still think there is hope that he can be a solid combo guard the next couple of years.
I think PMac is playing better than Krikke right now. Krikke got one rebound in 34 minutes last night. You can't win when a starter only gets 1 rebound, even a guard should be getting 3-4 rebounds in 34 minutes.
We certainly can't expect to win if we have a lot of minutes with Krikke and Patrick both on the floor against a team with quality interior players.
Agreed. And sadly the fact we’re evening discussing which of those 2 should be getting more minutes tells me where the state of Iowa basketball is. They’re both so deficient in so many areas. Neither should be a starter and neither should log more than 15min/g.
The bold is true as PaS makes three to five bad decisions a game.
Exactly. I would be surprised at all if Fran pulled the plug at the end of this year given the weak roster (HE's responsible for recruiting) for next season. Freeman who needs to expand his game, (and probably will), Harding who needs court time, Dix who needs to be more consistent and realize every shot doesn't need to be a fade away, and the Sandfort bro's. The two frosh forwards for bench help. Thats it. No other PG, and no other shooting guards. Ugh,,,,,,
I assume you mean "the ability to GET his own shot" because he sure doesn't make many...And NO still not down with either TP or Dix at the point. Harding should have almost a full year under his belt by now.
Bowen has been absolutely brutal this year, looking worse than he ever has. His confidence is in the toilet. If he was an underclassmen I'd be more positive and willing to accept your proposition, but he probably needs to move on and get a fresh start if he wants a better situation for himself.
Umm he is a sophomore this year…so, an underclassman.
He’s been treated exactly like joeT was by Fran and posters on here when he was in the black and gold. Oh how we would DIE for joeT to be on the team right now! I said it with him and the same goes for Bowen, it’s hard to look good in limited minutes when you’re constantly worried about making a mistake and getting the hook. Coach players up in practice so they can play free and confident in games!
I am not blaming the loss on Dasonte. I am just pointing out that Bowen was supposed to be "the" PG that we had all been dying for Fran to land.
Fran spent over 2 years recruiting Dasonte (Iowa offered on May 10, 2019; Dasonte committed on June 9, 2021).
IOWA was the FIRST to offer Dasonte.
Dasonte UNOFFICIALLY visited on Oct 20, 2019.
Tues June 1, 2021 was the first day that official visits could occur in well over a year (because of covid). Instead of visiting a new school, Dasonte took his FIRST OFFICIAL VISIT to Iowa the weekend of Thur June 3 - Sat June-5, 2021.
He then committed 4 days later, on June 9, 2021.
I wish Harding played more. Heck, might as well, with the season going nowhere.
His offers: Drake, Colorado State, Cal Poly, Bradley, Appalachian State, Western Illinois, Illinois Chicago, Southern Illinois, SE Missouri State, St Louis, Rice, Radford, Loyola, Illinois State, IPFW, Eastern Illinois.
and Iowa.
And what's crazy is the Iowa offer came late. Iowa offered on June 20, 2022. He unofficially visited 2 days later, on June 22, 2022. He committed the next day, on June 23, 2022.
I stand corrected. I was also a fan of JT, but he brought a lot that Bowen does not. He was much quicker with the ability to break down a defense, very disruptive defensively, and could finish at the rim. His drawbacks were a propensity for turnovers and poor 3 point shooting. I blame JBo for spraying WD40 on the bottoms of JT's sneakers.
Fran started Dasonte during the overseas trip.
Dasonte has started 8 games this season.
For the season, when Dasonte has shot from distance, he's 22% (4-18) from 3.
Why would Fran pull Tony or Payton when they can at least score the ball?
oftentimes when he's open for 3 he doesn't shoot and drives it/passes it.
For the season, Dasonte is shooting 22% (4-18) from 3
Brad, the SWARM CEO, has stated that all of the big donor NIL money is going towards football.
The only thing that Brad can offer portal prospects is getting paid for volunteering.
This is the most fun to watch lineup, imo:
Brock
Josh
Payton
Ladji
Owen
You have some willing defenders and willing rebounders in this group of 5.
Will the freshmen make some mistakes? Sure, but they will give great effort and the season is heading in the wrong direction any way.
😂 i was more just pointing out how Fran uses his pg’s and also that posters on here don’t know shit about evaluating a player. Idk how good Bowen is or could be. What i do know is that he’s likely better than what’s been shown in Frans system and better than posters on here seem to think. And we’ll more than likely wish he didn’t transfer out, which i think is pretty much inevitable at this point.
I didn't say he should pull them. That's the point. You don't pull players just for a TO.
If a youre going to pull a player for a TO then that player should not be on the court in the first place.
Smaller imo
Harding/bowen
Dix
Perkins
Sandfort
Freeman
yeah, yeah i know, rebounding. They can’t be any worse rebounding than with krikke and pat in there though!
I think the problem is, what is Dasonte doing well right now? When we see him play, he's shooting poorly from deep (when he does shoot). We have no idea how he's doing in practice, so that's part of the playing time equation, too.
I still would love to see Josh with over 32 min/game. Maybe cut down to a 9 man rotation & give Brock all of Dasonte's minutes.
Minutes last night:
38: Payton
33: Ben
32: Owen
31: Tony
27: Josh
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19: PMac
7: Pryce
5: Dasonte
5: Ladji
4: Brock
There was speculation last year that Bowen could be a potential portal entry. As I recall, it was pointed out that Bowen apparently has a very close relationship with Courtney Eldridge, which might be a reason for him to stick with Iowa.
That said, if you are going to make a list of potential portal losses this year, I still think Bowen's got to be near the top, for some of the aforementioned reasons.
That would be exciting to see....3 guards and with one being true PG. It isn't going to happen. We're seeing a lot of 4 forward lineups recently
Freeman/Dimbele
Krikke
Sandfort
PMac
and a single guard.
I don't know what Fran is thinking playing one guard and/or sitting both Dix and Perkins at same time. He's done it both in PSU game an Maryland game.
I hope Desonte doesn't transfer becuase he could still improve. I do think he's likely gone and Perkins likely gone, so we're going to be in even worse shape guard wise next year.
I think Pryce Sandfort looks quicker/better ball handling than Payton and better defensively. I think Pryce can backup Dix some next year at 2G. Pryce looks like he'll be a good player. Payton is pretty good---he's only pure shooter out there when he plays---gets 100% of the opposing defense attention, but defense is his weakness.
The teams offense really picks up when Harding is in the game---kid knows how to pass the ball. I'd like to see Harding playing some with Perkins and Dix but I doubt we see it.
We lose PMAC and Krikke next year....it really will be addition by subtraction in that whoever plays for them next year will automatically be better rebounder/defender.
May as well, playing either pg 4 minutes a game is just a set up for failure.
I don't understand why Fran even recruits these guys that aren't shooters, because clearly he doesn't want to play them.
Hopefully Brock is practicing his 3s.
3 point shooting last night:
3-9: Payton
1-5: Dix
0-3: Tony
0-1: Owen
0-0: Ben
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4-18 (22%) from the starters
1-2: Pryce
1-2: PMac
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6-22 (27%) as a Team
I think you've hit the nail right on the head here. One thing worth noting though is that Fran's teams are consistently quite good on offense. So his offensive philosophy is sound. There's no doubt that it's different than the direction the game is moving, at least in the United States.
IMO, you always want at least 3 players who can handle PG, in case of injury or other issues. They don't all have to be true PGs, especially if you have a couple of combo guards on the floor at the same time. If Bowen leaves and Tony doesn't come back, Fran damn well better get a good combo or PG out of the portal.
It just isn't working out with Bowen unfortunately. Hopefully he gets it turned around either here or somewhere else. From my possession tracking, I can tell you that both the offense and defense get dramatically worse when Bowen is in the game. I don't get why the defense is so much worse when he's in the game but the data are what they are.
If Perkins comes back, I think we should be good next season. If he leaves, we need to hit the portal for another PG. It would be a massive risk to go into next season with Bowen and Harding as our PGs.
If Perkins comes back, I think we should be good next season. If he leaves, we need to hit the portal for another PG. It would be a massive risk to go into next season with Bowen and Harding as our PGs.
Bowen seldom plays with Tony or Josh, and often with Patrick. Probably a big part of the defense going down. I think Bowen plays pretty good D.
Would any of our starters even sniff the floor if they played for any of the upper BT programs? Not trying to knock our boyz - who by in large are just not athletic. I do like Freeman obviously - but we really need to hit the portal and change up the roster in the off season… do some creaning if required. 😎
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It wouldn't surprise me if he and Perkins are both back next year and we're just running it back.
The problem is his offensive philosophy totally discounts any impact to the other end of the floor! It’s one thing to play up-tempo and lots of possessions, but his teams act like defense is totally optional. If his offensive philosophy was that good and a winning formula, other teams would be copying it…there’s a reason they aren’t
To act as if you can judge a guy on 5 minutes and 4-18. How well are you going to shoot when you get 3 threes the last 12 game. Take those three shots out and he’s shooting better than pmac. Listening to announcers pmac knock down open threes. Gee I wonder who feeds them that shit. They are looking at stats.
Fran hates the portal and I wouldn't trust him to recruit anyone from the portal after seeing what he grabbed from there since it's inception. Rebraca was OK but did nothing to move the needle, and we know what Krikke and Brauns brought to the table and it wasn't what Iowa needed.
Not sure that the 2 incoming recruits will help next year, but Iowa needs guards, shooters and slashers and good defensive players, are you at all confident that Fran can fill the void during the off season? I wouldn't bet on it, that's for sure....
Without any new players other then what's on the roster now and committed, you could have Perkins, Brauns, Harding, Bowen (maybe), Dix, Dembele, Payton and Pryce Sandford, Freeman, and Mulvey. As little as 9 or as much as 11 scholarship players. It could be a long off season.
I guess Patrick could also come back with his Covid year. Have no idea if he'll come back.
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Am I confident Fran is going to bring in guards and good defenders?
Is this a serious question?
And there's a reason for this offer list. He's mid major talent and that's it. Like most Iowa PG's. It's a shame Ulis couldn't stick around. He could drive, shoot & play defense.
Ulis would have been done no matter what because of the gambling charges
