can't be done, to many variables involed
IA couldn't use that as a excuse when they lost to Oregon a couple years ago. even the IA fans never cut Fran any slack.
now we have to feel sorry for the U South Carolina because how unfair it was.
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IA couldn't use that as a excuse when they lost to Oregon a couple years ago. even the IA fans never cut Fran any slack.
now we have to feel sorry for the U South Carolina because how unfair it was.
It means to whatever extent possible. Period. Are you in disagreement with this? Should the ncaa make every effort to level the playing field, or not?
I’m not arguing for perfection, so don’t try that nonsense.
no I thinf she means special treatment by adjusting the schedule to her advantage.
I am in disagreement because I don’t know what your standard means. This year, 4/8 Sweet 16 games had teams with unequal days off, including South Carolina, who had 1 more day off than UCLA. Both Final Four games had teams with unequal days off. Was your standard met?
Bluder coached circles around her
Not playing this game. Should, or should not, the ncaa try to afford opponents equal recovery time?
I already told you I was in disagreement. If you can’t tell me if your standard was met, you have no meaningful standard.
then why bitch about what happened USC lost its time to move to the next season.
don't see Bluder complaining do you?
The standard is making all reasonable attempts to afford opponents equal recovery. Pretty simple. Are you of the opinion the ncaa should or should not make all reasonable attempts to afford opponents equal recovery time?
Again, what Staley is saying is not my style. But her complaint is valid. These are the types of things ncaa committees discuss. Good lord, this is stupid. People like yourself are being just as bitchy as is Dawn Staley, all bent out of shape. One could just as easily say to you: you won. Move on.
If the shoe was other foot, and if prompted by a reporter, Bluder was like, yeah, it would have been nice to have had the same recovery time as South Carolina, I would take no issue with it. Zero.
I don’t always like Staley’s style. But she’s not wrong in thinking equal recovery time isn’t too much to ask.
I do not think the NCAA should make all reasonable attempts to afford opponents equal recovery time in the WBB tourney (just like they don't make all reasonable attempts to do so in the men's tourney). Since it is very easy to design a NCAA bracket with equal recovery time, any reasonable attempt to do so would succeed 100% of the time. But that would be bad for maximizing exposure and TV ratings, although it would be easy to do. It would likewise be bad to eliminate the home court advantage given to top 16 seeds, by playing at neutral (or more neutral), off-campus sites. But it would be easy to do. But playing in empty gyms is not what WBB needs.
I am for what the NCAA and its TV partner have done the last two seasons, where maximizing exposure and favorable matchups have helped grow the popularity of the game. But in each of the last 2 years, 50% of the Sweet 16 games (4/8 each year) had matchups where the teams had unequal recovery time, and 100% of the Final Four games (both Final Four games each year) had matchups with unequal recovery. I think what has happened in 2022 and 2023 is just fine, no problem. The matchups have been good for TV viewing and ratings, and teams have had plenty of time to rest and prepare, though not equal time. So I think no changes are needed. Maximizing exposure and attractive TV matchups/schedules are exactly the things that WBB needs, not equality in recovery days.
Are you ok with what happened in 2022 and 2023? I sure am. You advance some vague standard without saying whether your standard has been met in 2023 (or 2022) (or identifying how in concrete terms the schedule would have been changed under your standard).
As a side note, to highlight what an isolated whiner Dawn Staley is, South Carolina has played in 4 games the past 2 tournaments with unequal recovery time, 3 times being the team with the extra day of rest (versus North Carolina and Louisville in 2022, and versus UCLA in 2023). I don't recall the UNC, Louisville and UCLA coaches complaining about alleged unfairness.
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Dawn can suck it up or cry, her choice.
What does Angel Reese think about the sitch? That’s what really matters.
What does Angel Reese think about the sitch? That’s what really matters.
Who cares what she’s saying. It’s a little embarrassing that she’s saying it 3 months after the fact.
If they had recruited one player that could hit from deep at a better than 25% clip then Iowa would have been forced to play them straight up. If Iowa has to play them straight up then SC likely wins the post battle to an even greater extent and burries Iowa with o boards.
This sounds like sour grapes. You would think a coach at that level would recognize the real reason they lost. Also, these girls all play conference tournaments on no rest / back to back games. They’re 18-23 yr olds. They can handle it. Honestly Dawn should just shut up.
I've also heard her complain about teams not playing Boston straight up so she'd have a chance to show what she could do. WTF?! Is there a rule prohibiting double-teaming a player? Apparently it's not fair to do that to last year's POY, at least if she's on Dawn Staley's team.
I’m honestly embarrassed about what’s transpired since the national championship game. Women’s college basketball finally gets the springboard they need with millions watching and the championship game was a terribly officiated mess and lsu’s coach was on the floor more than their 1st player off the bench.
Caitlin Clark (the entire damn reason that spring board existed) can’t go anywhere or do anything without someone being up Angel’s ass. It’s truly disgusting how Clark and the Iowa program has been demonized…and they were the clear and obvious victim of race baiting by Dawn Staley, which carried over into more race baiting during Angels post game press conference when she tried to defend her actions the last 5 seconds of the game. All of a sudden winning and losing with dignity were thrown out the window because….reasons.
I firmly believe that the perception of Iowa following the national championship game negatively affected their ability to land any transfers.
In some respects, though the run to the championship game was magical, It might have been better had we lost to South Carolina in the final four. If that had happened, I believe the national championship game would have had lower ratings then the final four. And Angel Reese would currently be as quiet as a church mouse during a Sunday sermon.
Instead CC is constantly being used as a step ladder to lift others up, while simultaneously pushing her down. And when someone attempts to defend her or that Iowa team its because those people are being racist and not because we admire and respect what that team was able to do. Which by the way, was work their ass off in a commendable effort to over achieve.
My 2 cents anyway, which is ultimately worth far less than that.
So you want equal treatment. Then the ncaa should give every university $20,000,000 for NIL and every team would be able to buy players that South Carolina does now?
I think every fast food worker should be treated equal and get the same pay as every doctor???
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Her and Mulkey are the worst….I long for the days of Summit and Geno.
I think Staley is correct,.. If Iowa had not been on South Carolina's schedule then South Carolina would not have lost that game to Iowa,.. She's got some solid reasoning there.
She's wrong. The blame is squarely on Mississippi for beating Stanford to blow up Iowa's region!
Sorry Dawn, the fact remains that your heralded defense had no answer for one Iowa player that dropped 41 points on you. And you're the coach that couldn't make the in-game adjustments to stop her. This loss was on you, Dawn.
I'm right there with phenom. Not triggered just because we are right and you are wrong. It's a tournament, play the games or drop out. Better yet she needs a new job where everything goes hers and your way. Now fire some snark back at me to give yourself a boost up.
This is not hard. Each and every coach in ncaa would want tournament games played with as-equal-as-possible recovery time between their team and their opponent. To think otherwise is absurd.
Dawn isn’t my cup of tea, either, but I can find agreement with her basic premise, and I find it funny that people’s Dawn-hate is getting so in the way of basic-assed, rational damn thinking.
How many threads have we had bemoaning the under armour basketball used at northwestern or Maryland? How much fan complaining has there been over the years over dubious seeding/locationing of Iowa men’s basketball? We all complain, too. Not all of us. Like I wouldn’t publicly make a statement like Dawn as a coach. But just because I wouldn’t necessarily say something like what she said, doesn’t make her wholly or entirely wrong.
Go watch Chris Reynolds, chair of last ncaa men’s tournament committee, interviews. He’s a former teammate of mine. He basically, without going and looking myself, explains that they try to be as thorough and conscientious as possible, to make the tournament as fair and aboveboard as possible. This would include seeding, of course, but also travel and rest/recovery. So they’re already doing it, which supports my point. So if Dawn Staley is complaining that it can be done and should be done even better, well, shit, she sound like pretty much every vested-interest fan on the planet.
But since she’s a coach first and foremost, it sounds shitty, and this is now the fifth time, I think, where I’ve agreed with everyone on that part. But just because it sounds bitchy-gripey coming from her DOES NOT make her point entirely wrong.
Blah blah blah……way too much blabbering on about a minor difference that doesn’t impact the outcome. She’d still get circles coached around her with an extra day off & would find some other excuse.
I don’t disagree… but her basic point remains valid. Ideally, opponents have equal recovery time. Ideally.
And yet nobody will answer my main question, because y’all are so triggered by Dawn freaking Staley.
I am for the best WBB tourney ever, in terms of exposure and ratings, including the 4 Sweet 16 games and 2 Final Four games with unequal days rest. You’re for something else. Why don’t you show us how this year’s bracket should have looked according to what you think is fair.
Unbelievable. Still not answering the question. Lol. The pride on some of you, fragile little egos, is something to behold.
Who got the home court advantage more than SC? Nobody but since that worked in her favor then we won't talk about it. So sorry for Dawn. Just put your big boy pants on and shut up.
Honestly if you get at least three days of rest and prep between weekends in the tourney, then you should be good. A 1 day difference after that doesn’t matter. There shouldn’t be a 2 day difference though.
But, if we want to talk about fairness, I’d rather talk about the regional sites being poorly selected and designed. Only two locations on opposite ends of the country. Why wouldn’t they have four sites? Why isn’t there something roughly in the middle of the country as an option?
South Carolina didn’t have to leave their own state until the Final Four. Heck, they only had to drive 100 miles to their regional site after playing the first two games at home. They could have slept in their own beds every night through the first four rounds if they really wanted to.
Iowa had to travel out to Seattle. Then leave straight from there to Dallas without coming home first. Roughly 3500 miles of travel compared to SC’s 1000 miles. And then Iowa dealt with airplane issues on the trip to Dallas that significantly delayed them. So, Iowa’s extra day basically didn’t exist because of those issues.
How is all of this fair? The tournament locations were selected to give SC every possible advantage to walk into the Final Four, which they took advantage of. The disadvantage SC had was a coaching staff that didn’t really predict how their opponent would play them and then didn’t adapt during the game. Thoroughly outcoached by Bluder on a national stage with the largest WBB audience ever. I honestly think she’s embarrassed and that’s why she’s complaining that things “were unfair”.
But, if we want to talk about fairness, I’d rather talk about the regional sites being poorly selected and designed. Only two locations on opposite ends of the country. Why wouldn’t they have four sites? Why isn’t there something roughly in the middle of the country as an option?
South Carolina didn’t have to leave their own state until the Final Four. Heck, they only had to drive 100 miles to their regional site after playing the first two games at home. They could have slept in their own beds every night through the first four rounds if they really wanted to.
Iowa had to travel out to Seattle. Then leave straight from there to Dallas without coming home first. Roughly 3500 miles of travel compared to SC’s 1000 miles. And then Iowa dealt with airplane issues on the trip to Dallas that significantly delayed them. So, Iowa’s extra day basically didn’t exist because of those issues.
How is all of this fair? The tournament locations were selected to give SC every possible advantage to walk into the Final Four, which they took advantage of. The disadvantage SC had was a coaching staff that didn’t really predict how their opponent would play them and then didn’t adapt during the game. Thoroughly outcoached by Bluder on a national stage with the largest WBB audience ever. I honestly think she’s embarrassed and that’s why she’s complaining that things “were unfair”.
Lol. Another goof who won't answer the question. Never mind that you haven't figured out that as it relates to your (ironinc, btw) "big boy" point… already made it clear I agree.
Now, is she not wrong in her general point that, ideally, opponents are afforded equal recovery time?
Says you that strokes your ego in every post. What ever helps you get up in the morning.
How so? Am I wrong? Are people not avoiding answering my direct question, directly?
How does it help my ego to have people avoid answering questions posed to them?
Again, it’s pretty simple. Ideally, opponents have equal recovery time. I mean, there’s a reason everybody plays with the same ball in the tournament.
Dawn isn’t wrong that opponents should have equal recovery time. And the NCAA isn’t wrong for leveraging, against that, optimizing television exposure in their “bracketoligizing” and scheduling.
I don’t like Dawn, either. And her comments definitely veer into sounding just as everyone in this thread has already described. But she’s not wrong to suggest equal recovery time should be a goal.
Maximizing exposure is also a goal that I, someone who worked for years for the WNBA, who went to Iowa during C. Vivian days, hung around or showed up early to catch some of her practice before/after the men’s practice (former walk-on), who has always been a fan and advocate of the women’s game, fully understand.
And sometimes these goals are in direct opposition.
My interpretation of Dawn’s comments is that she feels these two goals being in opposition to one another should never be to the detriment of the higher seeded team, especially not an overall #1.
My reaction is, 1) yes, opponents, ideally, have equal recovery time, 2) before lobbying a complaint, Dawn, consider all of the advantages afforded a #1 seed — the relative lack of travel time, being, of course, a huge one, 3) talk about this to tournament committee, not to a media frothing to create the next click-bait headline.
Another thing to keep in mind. Extra time off compared to an opponent is not always a good thing. You only want enough time off to recover energy/health and put your game plan into place. Anything extra could be detrimental to your momentum.
Different sport and completely different case, but Iowa football was rolling after finishing 8-0 at the end of the conference season in 2002, but played their last game on November 16. USC finished their last game on November 30. The extra time off for Iowa killed them in the Orange Bowl as they looked like they lost a lot of their cohesiveness on offense.
Yes, two weeks for football is very different from one day for basketball. But when you're rolling as a team, you want to get back to playing rather than take a long break.
Different sport and completely different case, but Iowa football was rolling after finishing 8-0 at the end of the conference season in 2002, but played their last game on November 16. USC finished their last game on November 30. The extra time off for Iowa killed them in the Orange Bowl as they looked like they lost a lot of their cohesiveness on offense.
Yes, two weeks for football is very different from one day for basketball. But when you're rolling as a team, you want to get back to playing rather than take a long break.
