Defense of subs
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its called quickness and athleticism
It's definitely a factor. There was zero, zip sense of urgency with the starters tonight as well. Non-existent. Very impressed with the freshmen, Toussaint and Nunge. Iowa doesn't win without them.
The Hawkeye Bench scored 39 points tonight
out of the total 84 points. This game belongs
to those guys who won it with scoring and their
defense. Of course Garza had 27 points and
Bohannon hit those 4 crucial free throws to
seal the deal for a win.
out of the total 84 points. This game belongs
to those guys who won it with scoring and their
defense. Of course Garza had 27 points and
Bohannon hit those 4 crucial free throws to
seal the deal for a win.
Didn’t see the game and just listened on the radio to Dolph (worst announcer in the Big Ten). Turned it on at 79-70 when Sparty was making their late push. Sounds like the bench and Garza won the game. Not going to rehash old statements but 2-3 of our guys on the bench are better than our starters. Fran needs to have the quick hook the rest of the season when Weiskamp, Connor and JBO won’t play D. 20 offensive rebounds for Sparty. They scored 51 pts the other night and 78 tonight. Interesting.
The defense was flat-out terrible with the exception of when Toussaint, Perkins, Ulis, Patrick McC, Murray, Nunge were on the floor. Just bad. Bench saved Iowa. End of story.
Three freshman, one sophomore and Garza played significant minutes down the stretch and made the plays they needed to.
As others have stated, it was nice to see Iowa defenders able to stay in front of their guy and actually play aggressive D vs. back pedaling 3 feet of a cushion d. Definitely slowed MSU's dribble drives down.
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Also effort and wanting to play good defense.
Exactly. It was so easy for them to get the ball into the lane either dribbling or passing, and our guys would then back up. JorBo and Connor are slow moving their feet and bring ZERO defensive intensity.
Worse than their man to man defense is their ability to rotate in the zone. Way too many wide open threes that most D1 players are gonna hit
the 4 starters other than Garza were 6/20 from field and 2/11 from 3pt line. They couldn't guard and didn't score.
No wonder the starter got down 10 pts to start the game before Fran subbed and the starters blew a 7pt lead in 2nd half before getting replaced.
It is not effort....huge quickness difference with Keegan, JoeT, Ulis and Perkins. Nunge and PMAC have lenght and also can play pretty good defense.
As bad as they are athletically they are equally as bad mentally.
To beat Iowas zone when the starters are in you don't have to do much besides pass and cut.
Connor, Weiskamp, Bohannon, and CJ are all on short leashes now.
Way too many hungry, much more, athletic players who should be taking their minutes
Way too many hungry, much more, athletic players who should be taking their minutes
I don't think I'd throw CJ in that group. I'm assuming he's still not right and he still brings it on defense in comparison to the others.
Perkins, and Toussaint are just more active and quicker. Watch their hands compared to Jbo and Connor, they are up in the face and they are just quicker at rotating. Frans matchup zone is not suited for our starters, the quicker guys can recover faster. I think next year our offense is going to go backwards but our defense will improve. I would like to see us employ the 1-3-1 zone more than the 2-3 matchup, it allows us to use our length better and still get out on shooters.
After this year is over I hope we never play zone again.
I understand its necessary to keep Luka out of trouble this year but next years group should be very well suited to play switching man and playing man will make the defense that much better.
Rotating defenses is not a bad idea. I am not a huge fan of playing one defense 100% of the time. Whatever defense is being played, you have to give great effort and communicate and move as a team. Some opponents are much better at playing against a man defense or a zone defense, and sometimes an opponent is in a great rhythm against one type of defense.
But yes, the bench group as a whole is likely to be better on defense as they are just better defenders, period.
Here's a breakdown of minutes.
Starters on the left, bench on the right.
35 Garza
24 Weezy
..........................23 Nunge
..........................21 Toussiant
20 JBo
19 Connor
..........................15 Keegan
..........................15 Patrick
..........................13 Perkins
12 CJF
..........................03 Ulis
well, in short, because the bench is where all the best defenders on the team dwell.. 3 of 5 starters should probably not even be on the court at the same time from here on out, especially if they are gonna spot teams 10-12 points to start each half.. I do believe Luca & Joe W can play in any line up that’s on the court however..
I'm not sure our starters aren't giving top effort but agree w/some on here they just aren't athletic enough to recover in the zone, which leaves huge gaps all over the court for wide open 3's and drives. The energy and athleticism the 2nd unit brings is night and day better right now. If you're comparing Pat and Connor at the 4, 1 is 6-9 and can run and jump and the other is 6-5 and can't shoot or defend very well. If Joe W can't and won't bring it every night for 28-30 minutes at the 3 then we give Keegan his minutes. Same w/Bohannon and Touissant. Nunge earned more minutes last night, drew the key foul late when Sparty had cut the lead to 2 points I believe. He's actually our best rebounder right now. We have lots of options right now and Fran can't be loyal to his veterans just to be loyal. Throw in Perkins at the 2 in place of CJ as well. I get that he's trying to gut it out but at 70-80% he can't be in there.
I wasn't being totally serious with saying never. Although allot of coaches will actually never do it.
It makes sense in certain cases for a time, usually because the opponent hasn't prepared for it....But generally it sucks.
When you remove the current seniors from the mix the team should be significantly improved in what ever defense they play.
I agree but CJ is easily the best defender of the starters and the best shooter.
Hes actually the only guy on the team who shoots well and defends well, Keegan can be in that category at times.
Connor doesn't do either.
I should’ve noted in CJ’s current condition.. he’s just not moving well due to not being 100 percent..
Nunge is our best rebounder and still manages to lose a ball or two that are in his hands every game.
Hes getting better every game though.
Two months ago I felt like he was afraid of contact, now I don't feel that way at all.
I think he's going to be great the next two years.
I guess I would probably rate him and Weiskamp about the same. Keegan, Patrick, Touissant, Perkins and Ulis are all better than any of our starters on defense. The way Nunge is playing he is our best interior defender and rebounder.
The only reason all of the subs got those minutes is our upcoming schedule and fran trying to keep fresh legs. If we just had one game sunday, they may not have played much.
All these comments makes me really wonder how we managed to win a dozen games without getting all the bench help we got tonight.
I think it's great that guys like Nunge, JoeT and Pat, along with the freshman, came in and did yeoman's duty tonight, really, isn't that what they're supposed to do? JoeW had one of the worst games of his life and CJF just wasn't ready to go. That's why McCaffery recruited these guys to come off the bench. It's all being part of the team. Be ready when you're called on to perform.
Loved Izzo's comment after the game, "They just kept throwing guard after guard at us."
I think it's great that guys like Nunge, JoeT and Pat, along with the freshman, came in and did yeoman's duty tonight, really, isn't that what they're supposed to do? JoeW had one of the worst games of his life and CJF just wasn't ready to go. That's why McCaffery recruited these guys to come off the bench. It's all being part of the team. Be ready when you're called on to perform.
Loved Izzo's comment after the game, "They just kept throwing guard after guard at us."
Thought it was Patrick's best game and one of Jack's best. I like Patrick's defense, which will only get better you would assume, and he really let "the game come to him" (hate clichés) offensively. It was a great grab of a great pass from Joe T at a crucial point.
I would strongly disagree with that assessment.
Last year there wasn't a big difference between Toussaint and CJ defensively on the ball.
JT is stronger but takes more chances and gets out of position more.
He may be the best on-ball defender (barely), but Wieskamp is more opportunistic in terms of steals, and is much more valuable as a rebounder. I’d put Joe as 1, and CJ as 2, but given that neither are all that great at defense, it just goes to show what a sad state of affairs things are at the defensive end for our starters
Weiskamp is usually not good on defense. Rebounding yes. But he's frequently what I would call lost.
CJ is better IMO at everything besides rebounding.
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