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Democrats make major concession on military vaccine mandate...

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Congress is poised to use the annual defense policy bill to eliminate the Pentagon’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate — a major concession by President Biden’s Democratic allies that helps clear the way to passing the sweeping package before year’s end.

In a compromise with Republicans, House Democrats are allowing language into the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that repeals the coronavirus vaccine mandate for U.S. service members a year after it was enacted, House Armed Services Committee ranking member Mike Rogers (R-Ala.) confirmed to The Hill Tuesday.

The bill, which lays out how an $847 billion Defense Department top line will be allocated in fiscal 2023, is tentatively set to be released as early as Tuesday evening and voted on by the House Thursday, Rogers said.

Asked if he believes the language will stick amid all the last-minute jostling over the bill, Rogers replied: “Yes.”

Republican lawmakers for months have pushed back on the Pentagon’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate, which Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin first installed in August 2021.

Since then, thousands of active-duty service members have been discharged for refusing the shots, according to the latest Pentagon numbers.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who is vying for the Speaker’s gavel in the next Congress, said on Sunday that the NDAA “will not move” unless the mandate for the military is lifted through the bill.

The compromise is effectively a loss for the White House and Pentagon, which have both opposed using the NDAA to repeal the vaccine mandate.

“We lost a million people to this virus,” Austin told reporters traveling with him Saturday, as reported by The Associated Press. “A million people died in the United States of America. We lost hundreds in DOD. So this mandate has kept people healthy.”

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) on Tuesday strongly supported the Pentagon’s mandate, but also emphasized that the art of compromise means that no side gets everything it wants. For Democrats, he said, that might mean they have to give up the mandate to pass the bigger package.

“It’s a question of how can you get something done,” he told reporters in the Capitol. “We have a very close vote in the Senate, a very close vote in the House, and you don’t just get everything you want.”

The concession by Democrats on a mandate they once championed zealously highlights how attitudes surrounding the vaccines have shifted since the coronavirus struck almost three years ago.

“The politics on that have changed,” said Rep. Marc Veasey (D-Texas), another member of the Armed Services panel. “If this were 2020, it would be a different story.”

One thing not expected in the bill, however, is language to reinstate troops, sailors and airmen who were discharged or received penalties for declining the vaccine, a provision GOP lawmakers hoped to insert in the legislation.

Instead, lawmakers on the House and Senate Armed Services committees are planning report language for the bill that allows the Pentagon to evaluate service members affected by the mandate, Rogers said.

“There’s no statutory language, but there’s report language that tells the [Defense Department] to ascertain everybody that’s been adversely affected by the vaccine mandate and what it would take to make them whole and get that to us next year. Then we can decide if we want to try to do that or not,” he said.

“Some people aren’t going to want to come back to the military, but if they do, what would that look like? How many people are we talking about?”

 
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Well, that's how things are supposed to work in government. You give up things to get things. At least Republicans appear to be negotiating on this one rather than grandstanding and stomping their feet while not being open to any solutions whatsoever. It could affect our readiness though.

Honestly, it's vaccines. The level of cowardice towards a medical practice that's been done for over 230 years is astounding.
 
Well, that's how things are supposed to work in government. You give up things to get things. At least Republicans appear to be negotiating on this one rather than grandstanding and stomping their feet while not being open to any solutions whatsoever. It could affect our readiness though.

Honestly, it's vaccines. The level of cowardice towards a medical practice that's been done for over 230 years is astounding.
It is a sad indicator that our military is chock-a-block full of idiots.
 
Well, that's how things are supposed to work in government. You give up things to get things. At least Republicans appear to be negotiating on this one rather than grandstanding and stomping their feet while not being open to any solutions whatsoever. It could affect our readiness though.

Honestly, it's vaccines. The level of cowardice towards a medical practice that's been done for over 230 years is astounding.
mRNA vaccines aren't like other vaccines. They don't prevent infection or spread, and their efficacy is questionable. It's not cowardice to reject something that may be more harmful than actually getting the disease. When it was thought that the mRNA vaccines prevented spread, the argument for vaccinating the military was valid. We now know that premise was false. We also know the effects of the vaccine on healthy young people is worse than the disease.
 
mRNA vaccines aren't like other vaccines. They don't prevent infection or spread, and their efficacy is questionable. It's not cowardice to reject something that may be more harmful than actually getting the disease. When it was thought that the mRNA vaccines prevented spread, the argument for vaccinating the military was valid. We now know that premise was false. We also know the effects of the vaccine on healthy young people is worse than the disease.
Yeah, I'm not going to waste time repeating crap you've ignored for pushing three years now. It's a real shame that people let their political ideologies stand in the way of expertise.
 
mRNA vaccines aren't like other vaccines. They don't prevent infection or spread, and their efficacy is questionable. It's not cowardice to reject something that may be more harmful than actually getting the disease. When it was thought that the mRNA vaccines prevented spread, the argument for vaccinating the military was valid. We now know that premise was false. We also know the effects of the vaccine on healthy young people is worse than the disease.
What a load of horse shit.
 
mRNA vaccines aren't like other vaccines. They don't prevent infection or spread, and their efficacy is questionable. It's not cowardice to reject something that may be more harmful than actually getting the disease. When it was thought that the mRNA vaccines prevented spread, the argument for vaccinating the military was valid. We now know that premise was false. We also know the effects of the vaccine on healthy young people is worse than the disease.
This is completely true and becoming truer everyday. The people still holding on to the great vaccine where duped and can't take admitting they got taken.
 
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Everyone on both sides should be focused on this part ^^^^^^^
Only $153 billion away from a trillion dollar military.


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I wonder how much of that is to replenish materiel given to Ukraine. That part is money well spent.
That’s already paid for. When they say they’re sending X billion in aid it’s usually the price to replace or build things we are sending. That’s all part of the great military industrial complex.
 
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I wonder what else is in that bill that the Dems are trying to sneak past us
before they lose control of the House.
 
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I wonder how much of that is to replenish materiel given to Ukraine. That part is money well spent.
We still live in the age of the $400 toilet seat so it is not money well spent. Most of us want to fund Ukraine’s war effort but that does not mean we should pay “X+200%” when it truly costs “X”

The DoD does not get audited, think about that.
 
mRNA vaccines aren't like other vaccines. They don't prevent infection or spread, and their efficacy is questionable. It's not cowardice to reject something that may be more harmful than actually getting the disease. When it was thought that the mRNA vaccines prevented spread, the argument for vaccinating the military was valid. We now know that premise was false. We also know the effects of the vaccine on healthy young people is worse than the disease.
Our country is so effed. Completely insane. Guys like this getting their science from facebook instead of the scientists. Just LOL that anyone would think the Covid vaccines are somehow distinct and "more harmful" than the zillion other vaccines service members are required to get.

Country is going into the shitter with this type of nonsense.
 
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This is moronic - which explains why the Republicans are pushing it.
Even as a dependent I was required to get a shit ton of vaccines. No one complained, you got them and moved on.
Conservatism is a mental disorder.

Anti-vaxxers are not new. It used to be the hippie, organic fruits and nuts crowd, plus the Christian Scientists, and of course, many black people don't want what the white man in the white coat is selling them for obvious reasons.

So yes... some people complained, and that predates COVID.
 
Anti-vaxxers are not new. It used to be the hippie, organic fruits and nuts crowd, plus the Christian Scientists, and of course, many black people don't want what the white man in the white coat is selling them for obvious reasons.

So yes... some people complained, and that predates COVID.
And they're all stupid and should not be granted exceptions. If you're that stupid then get out or don't sign up in the first place.
 
Anti-vaxxers are not new. It used to be the hippie, organic fruits and nuts crowd, plus the Christian Scientists, and of course, many black people don't want what the white man in the white coat is selling them for obvious reasons.

So yes... some people complained, and that predates COVID.

Back then, EVERYONE viewed them as crazy

Today, the GOP is literally leading the charge out in front of them....
 
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Yeah, I'm not going to waste time repeating crap you've ignored for pushing three years now. It's a real shame that people let their political ideologies stand in the way of expertise.
I haven't been pushing crap for 3 years. I was first in line when my time to get vaccinated came up. I believed what I was being told, and what appeared to be true at the time.

Unlike you, I follow the science no matter where it takes me, and it sucks knowing I made a mistake early in the process, but at least that mistake was based on the information available at the time.

Yeah, it's a shame your political ideology gets in the way of you accepting new information.
 
mRNA vaccines aren't like other vaccines. They don't prevent infection or spread, and their efficacy is questionable. It's not cowardice to reject something that may be more harmful than actually getting the disease. When it was thought that the mRNA vaccines prevented spread, the argument for vaccinating the military was valid. We now know that premise was false. We also know the effects of the vaccine on healthy young people is worse than the disease.
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