So the smart kids get accepted to the state schools and the dumb kids have no choice but to take out loans for private college.
Yeah, I think you get it.
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So the smart kids get accepted to the state schools and the dumb kids have no choice but to take out loans for private college.
You sure sound anti union.I'm not anti union at all, but I think history might tell us otherwise.
Oh hurray!!!!! The cool kid is talking to me.
R's are very good at convincing people that voting for their own interests is really bad for them. It's simply amazing that struggling workers think that cheaper college and healthcare are "bad".
Well, I didn't say anything about the R's or independents. But, it's just as strange that the R's couldn't get anything done in 17 & 18 except lower the taxes on the rich.
People that are "pro-choice" are considered "pro-abortion". People that think we spend to much on the military are considered anti-military. People that want SS & Medicare reform hate seniors. People that want strong borders are considered nationalists.
Do you really think Dems are "against the working man"?
The dialogue is despicable.
BTW - what does a liberal tenured college professor think?
Your liberty is an illusion, Herk. Mixed economies actually seem pretty good at making the illusion less, uh, illusive.You make excellent points. And the liberal tenured professor is fight like a dog to maintain his high salary. And let's not turn this into a sidetrack argument related to protecting tenure. My point is that protecting one's assets will eventually become an asset. Liberty lets each of us determine to whom we wish our money to go. Socialism lets the gov take our money and tell us to whom it will go.
Unions equal liberty under your definition and the military equals socialism. Just saying...You make excellent points. And the liberal tenured professor is fight like a dog to maintain his high salary. And let's not turn this into a sidetrack argument related to protecting tenure. My point is that protecting one's assets will eventually become an asset. Liberty lets each of us determine to whom we wish our money to go. Socialism lets the gov take our money and tell us to whom it will go.
You sure sound anti union.
you really want to vote for a President who is going to guarantee people jobs? It's so epically stupid I can't imagine how they can garner any support.
You beat me to the punch. Welfare over workfare was the first thing that popped in my head, too.You take issue with the government being an employer of last resort? Do you prefer they just go on welfare by default?
It's kind of funny that employer of last resort is similar to a republican idea of making people on welfare work in public works type jobs to earn their welfare.
I'm fast, too. Damned shame.WOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON YOUR HANDS.
You take issue with the government being an employer of last resort? Do you prefer they just go on welfare by default?
It's kind of funny that employer of last resort is similar to a republican idea of making people on welfare work in public works type jobs to earn their welfare.
You beat me to the punch. Welfare over workfare was the first thing that popped in my head, too.
R's are very good at convincing people that voting for their own interests is really bad for them. It's simply amazing that struggling workers think that cheaper college and healthcare are "bad".
Unions equal liberty under your definition and the military equals socialism. Just saying...
I'm simply using your definition of the term. If you don't agree, then you should revise your definition.You may call military socialism if you wish. You'll call infrastructure the same.
This is not what Pocahontas and Bernie have in mind.
blue collar workers are certainly going to pay for free college for othersAfter Bernie so rudely called a trustworthy politician like Elizabeth Warren, a liar on national TV, provoked a thought regarding the Dem's treatment of blue collar workers.
With free college and the push for college, are they not devaluing people in the trades and other blue collar jobs?
Crazy Bernie says he's for the worker, he just wants them to all have college degrees before he tells them what their job will be and how much they'll be paid. True?
Man, damn, fatalism rooted in, among other things, perspective bias and accompanying selective memory—never mind self-fulfilling prophecy type shit. I would rather believe we can make our government do what we want it to do, and then set about to do it—you know, self-governance type shit—and then hold accountable those who we find are fücking it up (especially when doing so to favor themselves and/or their pals). Step one in this would be for us to unite behind campaign finance reform, plain and simple. In our lifetime there has been a redistribution of wealth and narrowing of power. Time to correct. This rhetoric of "wealth redistribution" always cracks me up. Over the last 40-50 years wealth was pulled out of the middle class… for what? To whom? Look at every wealth distribution data representation that encapsulates the last 50 years. Yeah, we need to once again "redistribute" or we'll be so top-heavy, well, this shit is not sustainable.I think they realize that the only money a gov has it what they take from citizens.
You think gov makes great decisions. I don't.
I have listened to Bernie in every debate. Not once did I hear him say "employer of last resort". Though I may have missed it. I have heard him talk of nationalizing companies, and I have interpreted the jobs of which he spoke to be these. I would strongly favor working for benefits as I think that is ultimately healthy for people, but I can only imagine the management problems this will cause and the legal problems it will initiate.
You think gov makes great decisions. I don't.
You may call military socialism if you wish. You'll call infrastructure the same.
This is not what Pocahontas and Bernie have in mind.
You make excellent points. And the liberal tenured professor is fight like a dog to maintain his high salary. And let's not turn this into a sidetrack argument related to protecting tenure. My point is that protecting one's assets will eventually become an asset. Liberty lets each of us determine to whom we wish our money to go. Socialism lets the gov take our money and tell us to whom it will go.
Yep, those "debates" are a construct of the very thing we supposedly all think sucks—mainstream media. And yet, mofos watch thinking they're getting something valuable. Lol. Fückin' TV. Man fück that thing, lazybrainbox.Debates aren't a great place for information.
How in the world would lowering the cost of college devalue the trades? If anything it would drive up wages for people working in them. It’s basic supply and demand.
I thought so too. But I have found only 1 comment related to trade schools despite shortages of people to fill needed jobs. I've thought for sometime the Dems were giving the working man a back handed insult. Which is not shocking based on the high perceived intellect of Dems.
The government may make mistakes, but programs that lower college and healthcare costs are in the public's interest. Our government funds a lot of programs that improve our lives. I think it's better for all of us to help pay for roads, police, public education, military protection, national parks, etc. than for only those who are wealthy enough to afford those services to have access. Do you seriously think corporate America has everyday Americans' welfare at the top of their priorities?I think they realize that the only money a gov has it what they take from citizens.
You think gov makes great decisions. I don't.
How in the world would lowering the cost of college devalue the trades? If anything it would drive up wages for people working in them. It’s basic supply and demand.
It is interesting that FDR put as #1 a job.
Capitalism does a better at creating jobs
than the federal government. I agree that
everyone who is able to physically work
should have a job.
Golly.Democrats have hated labor for a long time now. They sure use them but the hate it there. The condescending everything. Simply look at how they talk about those that believe in God. Those that didn't attend college or are in trades or jobs that don't require a degree. Those that own guns. The Democrats call them deplorable. Say they are too stupid to know their own best interests.
Who do you think voter for trump?
Trollduggerydee and oldfückerydoo.There has to be a term for what this dynamic duo is doing in this thread. They are trying to muddy the waters with ignorance and fantasy all at the same time.
Bernie has a slogan "Workplace Democracy".
He wants a federal law mandating $15 per
hour as minimum wage.
He wants to double union membership in
the next four years and include farm workers
and domestic workers
He wants to deny federal contracts to companies
who are guilty of union busting.
He wants to raise taxes on the wealthy and
redistribute the money to those at the bottom
of the economic ladder.
Youll have to explain this to me.
1. More people go to college, fewer to trades. Supply goes down.
2. More people go to college. Incomes go up. More demand.
Maybe I misunderstood. So money going to “colleges” doesn’t include the training of a trade?
You make excellent points. And the liberal tenured professor is fight like a dog to maintain his high salary. And let's not turn this into a sidetrack argument related to protecting tenure. My point is that protecting one's assets will eventually become an asset. Liberty lets each of us determine to whom we wish our money to go. Socialism lets the gov take our money and tell us to whom it will go.
And because of fox news these things are presented as bigger things than they are. Sadly, because these outlier things drive ratings, the other dumbassness of tv pick it up. If people weren’t into candyass tv and candierass social media and am radio, none of this stuff would stick.Dems are losing the Blue collar vote more and more due to the fact that the average blue collar union workers, isn’t woke, doesn’t GAF about transgender issues, has always had jobs and the economy as their number 1 issue, often work in non-eco friendly jobs that are under attack and are starting to feel like they don’t have a home in the Dem party anymore. Much like small government conservatives feel about the GOP.