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DHP's preseason pile of text (hoops review)

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Just some idle thoughts before the season becomes formal, fwiw.


Executive Summary:

This team should be fun to watch play and improve, but one would think this drink will go down well but leave a funky aftertaste as one can see us losing a lot of close games this year - many where we had the lead in the last 5 minutes. The word "tease" comes to mind with this team, but hopefully that just means next year we'll be able to close the deal.


Offense:

In the darker years, Iowa would seem to have 1 legitimate scorer (Gatens, et al). In the NIT years, we would seem to have 2, and lately we've been pushing for a 3rd to emerge. This year's team would seem to have 3 guys who we can count on: Jok, Cook and Baer. Baer isn't great at any one offensive skill, but he's good at a lot of things in a lot of different areas of the court, and he has great awareness on both ends. He'll take what the defense is giving us and give us what our offense needs at the time.


Other players have a lot of promise on this end, but there are question marks. Can Williams shoot consistently enough? Can Uhl be more consistent in his decisions and make more shots? What can Pemsl, Kreiner, Dailey and Bohannon bring? Will Ellingson be the 40% three point shooter we need him to be? Will Jones be healthy? Can Wagner be more than just a defender and garbage player? Lots of potential here - enough to think we'll be pretty decent on offense - but enough question marks that we're not quite sure who is going to be the one to step up. But there are a lot of legitimate candidates.


I strongly believe that to be good offensively against Top 25 teams you need to have at least three 3 point shooters (35% or better) on the court at any given time. This team has quite a few options to do that (Jok, Baer, Uhl, Ellingson, Bohannon, Jones) and some others that can shoot it a bit too (25% or better) in Cook, Kreiner, Moss/Dailey (if they play) and hopefully Williams. The question is whether those same players that emerge here, aren't going to give it all away on the defensive end.


Defense:

We lose a very good positional defensive player an defensive rebounder in Woody, a shot block deterrent in Uthoff, and two above average defensive guards in Gesell and Clemmons. They weren't always the best on offense, but these 4 are significant defensive losses and experienced players down the stretch of games.


The good news is that I trust Wagner on this end, Williams could cause problems for teams, and Cook has potential. Ellingson, Uhl and Jok should be about the same as last year (which is to say very average).


The bad news is that a lot of the new blood is inexperienced and has some holes defensively. Jones lacks good defensive habits and awareness. Pemsl lacks lateral quickness. Bohannon lacks size. Kreiner lacks experience against Big 10 post play. Dailey is under developed physically. A lot to be concerned about here.


Remember when Woody couldn't hedge screens on the perimeter without fouling? He was pretty good at that last year, but those are the type of things this new group will really struggle with. Gesell and Clemmons didn't get many steals, but they were decent at keeping their guy in front of them most of the time and defensive rebounding. How quickly the new guys can gel with the veterans in order to form a cohesive defensive product on the court is a huge question.


Player analysis:


Point Guard:

- Williams should start here. His length helps him on both ends, and he appeared to be under control and understanding his role in the exhibition. Not sure what he'll shoot from 3 point land, but in all other respects seems like a solid fit with our main scorers. It's nice to have a PG who can finish at the rim too, as he'll get some chances to cut to the rim for passes from our main scorers who will get a lot of attention when the ball is in their hands. Don't underestimate how nice his length is for feeding the post - something we'll actually do this year (including him posting up probably!)


- Bohannon should be a great fit off the bench, and brings something different. What I like most about him is his ability to shoot and the fact that he just oozes "baller". By that I mean he is hyper competitive, hustles all the time, knows where he is going, and isn't afraid of the situation. Needs to understand what a good shot is, but I'm not worried about his ability to contribute.


Shooting Guard:

- Jok looked extremely good in the scrimmage, and should get most of the attention from opposing defenses. Just a pure shooter with a quick stroke. Needs to stay healthy, and get help. Cook will be his best friend in that regard – will be interesting to see how well Cook passes from the paint to the perimeter when Jok’s defender has his head turned. Not expecting Jok’s driving game to change much from last year, but I think we have enough scorers that we won’t need him to force too much this year.

- Ellingson is a question mark, but is certainly capable of shooting 40% or better from 3 with the right shot selection. He’s solid defensively but won’t get many minutes if he’s not shooting 40% or better. We have other guys that can shoot 33% and do other things as well.

- Moss hasn’t developed like many of us would have liked, but there is still a lot of time especially if it is more mental than skill. It’s a long season, and he could emerge. Would be nice to add another athlete with scoring ability to our options, especially since injuries will occur and we could need him to play 10 mpg at some point.


Small Forward:

- Baer is just such an efficient player that I think he gets overlooked a lot. He does a lot of the small things well, and doesn’t force anything. Against Villanova it was clear that our top options weren’t able to generate anything, and he stepped up and got more aggressive. He just seems to fill in the gaps for the team in whatever area they need at the moment – defense, rebounding, scoring. He’s our X factor imo, but one with known value.

- Uhl is an enigma wrapped inside a fortune cookie. He has a lot of talent and is a mismatch for SF’s and PF’s due to his size and ball handling capability. Has length on defense and is a willing rebounder and post defender. He’s our X factor, but one with unknown value. If he can get it together with his decision making, he’ll add a lot. Last year we needed him to become our 3rd scorer once defenses got better (Big 10 season) and figured us out. I don’t think he’ll have quite as much pressure to score this season, so hopefully he can be more selective when he forces the action.

- Dailey will likely redshirt, but he reminds me a lot of Baer – undersized in terms of muscle, but good in a lot of different areas (defense, shooting, passing) but even more importantly he is unselfish and has great awareness on both ends. That projects VERY well down the road imo. May not be a star, but teams only need 1-2 of those. What they also need is guys like Baer and Dailey to make it all come together.


Power Forward:

- Cook is a beast. I am a big fan of post play, and his combination of size, athleticism and good feet just makes people like me hyperventilate with expectations. What I wasn’t expecting was his shot developing from 15 to 20 feet and his ball handling with either hand. Holy krikey! His ability to not just do a few of the standard post moves, but the more difficult counters off of them and to take advantage of his size while doing it is extremely impressive. If his shooting to 20 feet becomes consistent, he’s a 2 year player here, at most 3. Too many good things about him. Hopefully he works as hard on defense as he does his 3 point shot J

- Pemsl is going to be surprisingly good on offense. His size, hands and feet give him a good foundation that makes it difficult for even longer defenders to stop once he gets on the block, especially the left block where he can finish with his left hand. He’s also good in the open court and, like Cook, Uhl and Baer can help lead the break. My big question for him is whether he can defend longer players in the post, or has the lateral quickness to defend stretch 4’s. I think he’ll be foul prone in both situations, but a good rebounder.


Center:

- Wagner is our most trusted returning defender, and brings a lot of toughness to this team. He’s been working on his face up shot, and if teams have to respect that it will open up his 1 to 2 dribble drive to the rim. That will be key on offense. I think we’ll have to play him a lot of minutes simply because we need his defensive presence to offset some of the other guys on the floor.

- Kreiner projects well in the future – more athletic than many realize, and a kid who can play as a stretch 4 or stretch 5 and still be “strong” inside. How much he can add this year is a question, but I know he likes to finish with dunks like Cook does and that he’s not stiff at all like Woody but much more fluid like Uhl. If he’s leading in rebounding in practice, hopefully that’s because he’s an athletic beast and not because our other bigs lack passion in that area.


Projected minutes in Big 10 play:

PG: Williams 25, Bohannon 15

SG: Jok 30, Ellingson 5, Moss/Dailey/Bohannon 5 (TBD)

SF: Baer 25, Uhl 15

PF: Cook 20, Uhl 10, Jones/Pemsl 10 (Jones emergence to 15+ min would put Cook at Center more, lowering Kreiner and Pemsl's minutes)

C: Wagner 20, Cook 10, Kreiner 10 (if Kreiner gets fewer minutes, frees up more at PF)

RS: Dailey (maybe Pemsl if Jones gets to 100%)


Pemsl and Kreiner minutes will be dictated heavily by Jones – not enough minutes at PF both Pemsl and Jones, and would also push Cook to Center more lowering Kreiner's role.
 
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Just some idle thoughts before the season becomes formal, fwiw.


Executive Summary:

This team should be fun to watch play and improve, but one would think this drink will go down well but leave a funky aftertaste as one can see us losing a lot of close games this year - many where we had the lead in the last 5 minutes. The word "tease" comes to mind with this team, but hopefully that just means next year we'll be able to close the deal.


Offense:

In the darker years, Iowa would seem to have 1 legitimate scorer (Gatens, et al). In the NIT years, we would seem to have 2, and lately we've been pushing for a 3rd to emerge. This year's team would seem to have 3 guys who we can count on: Jok, Cook and Baer. Baer isn't great at any one offensive skill, but he's good at a lot of things in a lot of different areas of the court, and he has great awareness on both ends. He'll take what the defense is giving us and give us what our offense needs at the time.


Other players have a lot of promise on this end, but there are question marks. Can Williams shoot consistently enough? Can Uhl be more consistent in his decisions and make more shots? What can Pemsl, Kreiner, Dailey and Bohannon bring? Will Ellingson be the 40% three point shooter we need him to be? Will Jones be healthy? Can Wagner be more than just a defender and garbage player? Lots of potential here - enough to think we'll be pretty decent on offense - but enough question marks that we're not quite sure who is going to be the one to step up. But there are a lot of legitimate candidates.


I strongly believe that to be good offensively against Top 25 teams you need to have at least three 3 point shooters (35% or better) on the court at any given time. This team has quite a few options to do that (Jok, Baer, Uhl, Ellingson, Bohannon, Jones) and some others that can shoot it a bit too (25% or better) in Cook, Kreiner, Moss/Dailey (if they play) and hopefully Williams. The question is whether those same players that emerge here, aren't going to give it all away on the defensive end.


Defense:

We lose a very good positional defensive player an defensive rebounder in Woody, a shot block deterrent in Uthoff, and two above average defensive guards in Gesell and Clemmons. They weren't always the best on offense, but these 4 are significant defensive losses and experienced players down the stretch of games.


The good news is that I trust Wagner on this end, Williams could cause problems for teams, and Cook has potential. Ellingson, Uhl and Jok should be about the same as last year (which is to say very average).


The bad news is that a lot of the new blood is inexperienced and has some holes defensively. Jones lacks good defensive habits and awareness. Pemsl lacks lateral quickness. Bohannon lacks size. Kreiner lacks experience against Big 10 post play. Dailey is under developed physically. A lot to be concerned about here.


Remember when Woody couldn't hedge screens on the perimeter without fouling? He was pretty good at that last year, but those are the type of things this new group will really struggle with. Gesell and Clemmons didn't get many steals, but they were decent at keeping their guy in front of them most of the time and defensive rebounding. How quickly the new guys can gel with the veterans in order to form a cohesive defensive product on the court is a huge question.


Player analysis:


Point Guard:

- Williams should start here. His length helps him on both ends, and he appeared to be under control and understanding his role in the exhibition. Not sure what he'll shoot from 3 point land, but in all other respects seems like a solid fit with our main scorers. It's nice to have a PG who can finish at the rim too, as he'll get some chances to cut to the rim for passes from our main scorers who will get a lot of attention when the ball is in their hands. Don't underestimate how nice his length is for feeding the post - something we'll actually do this year (including him posting up probably!)


- Bohannon should be a great fit off the bench, and brings something different. What I like most about him is his ability to shoot and the fact that he just oozes "baller". By that I mean he is hyper competitive, hustles all the time, knows where he is going, and isn't afraid of the situation. Needs to understand what a good shot is, but I'm not worried about his ability to contribute.


Shooting Guard:

- Jok looked extremely good in the scrimmage, and should get most of the attention from opposing defenses. Just a pure shooter with a quick stroke. Needs to stay healthy, and get help. Cook will be his best friend in that regard – will be interesting to see how well Cook passes from the paint to the perimeter when Jok’s defender has his head turned. Not expecting Jok’s driving game to change much from last year, but I think we have enough scorers that we won’t need him to force too much this year.

- Ellingson is a question mark, but is certainly capable of shooting 40% or better from 3 with the right shot selection. He’s solid defensively but won’t get many minutes if he’s not shooting 40% or better. We have other guys that can shoot 33% and do other things as well.

- Moss hasn’t developed like many of us would have liked, but there is still a lot of time especially if it is more mental than skill. It’s a long season, and he could emerge. Would be nice to add another athlete with scoring ability to our options, especially since injuries will occur and we could need him to play 10 mpg at some point.


Small Forward:

- Baer is just such an efficient player that I think he gets overlooked a lot. He does a lot of the small things well, and doesn’t force anything. Against Villanova it was clear that our top options weren’t able to generate anything, and he stepped up and got more aggressive. He just seems to fill in the gaps for the team in whatever area they need at the moment – defense, rebounding, scoring. He’s our X factor imo, but one with known value.

- Uhl is an enigma wrapped inside a fortune cookie. He has a lot of talent and is a mismatch for SF’s and PF’s due to his size and ball handling capability. Has length on defense and is a willing rebounder and post defender. He’s our X factor, but one with unknown value. If he can get it together with his decision making, he’ll add a lot. Last year we needed him to become our 3rd scorer once defenses got better (Big 10 season) and figured us out. I don’t think he’ll have quite as much pressure to score this season, so hopefully he can be more selective when he forces the action.

- Dailey will likely redshirt, but he reminds me a lot of Baer – undersized in terms of muscle, but good in a lot of different areas (defense, shooting, passing) but even more importantly he is unselfish and has great awareness on both ends. That projects VERY well down the road imo. May not be a star, but teams only need 1-2 of those. What they also need is guys like Baer and Dailey to make it all come together.


Power Forward:

- Cook is a beast. I am a big fan of post play, and his combination of size, athleticism and good feet just makes people like me hyperventilate with expectations. What I wasn’t expecting was his shot developing from 15 to 20 feet and his ball handling with either hand. Holy krikey! His ability to not just do a few of the standard post moves, but the more difficult counters off of them and to take advantage of his size while doing it is extremely impressive. If his shooting to 20 feet becomes consistent, he’s a 2 year player here, at most 3. Too many good things about him. Hopefully he works as hard on defense as he does his 3 point shot J

- Pemsl is going to be surprisingly good on offense. His size, hands and feet give him a good foundation that makes it difficult for even longer defenders to stop once he gets on the block, especially the left block where he can finish with his left hand. He’s also good in the open court and, like Cook, Uhl and Baer can help lead the break. My big question for him is whether he can defend longer players in the post, or has the lateral quickness to defend stretch 4’s. I think he’ll be foul prone in both situations, but a good rebounder.


Center:

- Wagner is our most trusted returning defender, and brings a lot of toughness to this team. He’s been working on his face up shot, and if teams have to respect that it will open up his 1 to 2 dribble drive to the rim. That will be key on offense. I think we’ll have to play him a lot of minutes simply because we need his defensive presence to offset some of the other guys on the floor.

- Kreiner projects well in the future – more athletic than many realize, and a kid who can play as a stretch 4 or stretch 5 and still be “strong” inside. How much he can add this year is a question, but I know he likes to finish with dunks like Cook does and that he’s not stiff at all like Woody but much more fluid like Uhl. If he’s leading in rebounding in practice, hopefully that’s because he’s an athletic beast and not because our other bigs lack passion in that area.


Project minutes in Big 10 play:

PG: Williams 25, Bohannon 15

SG: Jok 30, Ellingson 5, Moss/Dailey/Bohannon 5 (TBD)

SF: Baer 25, Uhl 15

PF: Cook 20, Uhl 10, Jones/Pemsl 10

C: Wagner 20, Cook 10, Kreiner 10 (if Kreiner gets fewer minutes, frees up more at PF)

RS: Dailey (maybe Pemsl if Jones gets to 100%)


Pemsl’s minutes will be dictated heavily by Jones – not enough minutes at PF for both of them unless Kreiner redshirts and Cook plays more Center minutes.
Thanks Dan that is much better than any magazine or online publication could have written.
 
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Mostly agree with OP. However, they way Fran has been talking about Kreiner and rebounding, I would think he will start by B1G season. Wagner more as a desperation center and a true PF.
 
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-- I agree completely with the upgrade in 3PT shot options. Having at least two legitimate 3PT shooters on the floor is essential in today's game IMO if you want to achieve success. Iowa can play 3 or 4 at once. Consistency is the key. With so many options, Fran has his work cut out for him to put the right mix of players on the floor.

-- I like your idea of posting up CWilliams if the match-up is favorable. Short turnaround jumpers from the baseline or backdown fade aways.

-- Baer's unselfish high-energy style can lift a team through rough stretches.

not enough minutes

This is the problem. Its a good problem in the sense that Fran has a lot of talent to work with but bad in the sense that, absent injury, several players are going to be bench cheerleaders for the most part this year.

Your minute distribution includes 13 players. It is my opinion that it is very difficult to obtain good team on-court chemistry with a set rotation above 9, maybe 10, players. Something has to give here. God bless Fran if he can pull it off but forcing minutes for the 11-13 guys is suicide IMO and no player, especially a young player, will develop much averaging 1-2 minutes per game. I see a battle for playing time between Kriener and Pemsl also.

I agree that Dailey is the likely redshirt candidate. A month ago I would have guessed that Kriener would also redshirt. That appears to be off the table so I foresee a fight for the last rotation spot being fought between SGs Ellingson, Moss, and Jones - 2 of those 3 guys will get very few minutes this year IMO, one will need to emerge as Jok's regular back-up of the bench. My guess is Ellingson but he will need to be consistent.

Really looking forward to see how it all gets sorted out.
 
DHP, two things I would like to hear you address are leadership and late game toughness. Although the two go hand in hand, not always, nor always the same player(s). I think we will have more leaders and in different ways: Jok's scoring presence, Baer's indefatigable presence, Cook's (everything?),...and improved mental toughness all around. I'm looking forward to close games, once they figure it out.
 
Hmmm, that will be interesting. I think it's always easier if the Alpha Dog is also the vocal leader, but that's not always the case. Uthoff clearly wasn't your typical Alpha Dog leader on the court, despite being the best player.

Jok strikes me as a middle of the road leader, as does Baer. I'm not sure if I was on the team if I would find them overly compelling, but I also wouldn't have a problem with them leading either. Cook, however, just oozes Alpha Dog - he's just young. But sometimes when you play basketball it becomes clear pretty fast who "that" guy is, and I think he can have that mantle if he's ready.

Clearly down the stretch in games, you need to be both mentally and physically tough, and demand the same in your teammates. Baer strikes me as one who ALWAYS does it through example, moreso than vocally. Jok I think will be vocal and is mentally tough in his own right. He may be the vocal analyst - getting the team to do the correct thing - while Cook, if he chose to, could be the vocal cheerleader, getting the team to step up when needed.

By the end of the season, if there is a Batman and a Robin on this team, I think Cook will emerge as Batman with Jok as Robin. I suppose Catwoman is available for Baer, but I still think Baer's leadership is mostly by example and he's a great guy for the younger players to emulate - always doing the thing the team needs most and playing hard but unselfishly.

Others who know the player's personalities more intimately may be better informed than I, but that's my guess.

When we need a bucket, I think it's Cook first (harder to stop imo, more likely to get a good shot off and Jok providing spacing for him to work), Jok 2nd and Baer batting cleanup if things go south. Cook facing up with the ball from the FT line with Jok, Baer and Uhl on the arc would make it very hard on the defense to stop us from getting a good look, and likely end up with Cook at the FT line imo.
 
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I agree, I think Cook already is the alpha dog that is the glue for this team. In the longer run, once he gets more experience, he will lead these guys to higher more consistent levels of play and oppents will not want to play this team later in the year.
 
DHP - I agree with quite a bit of the analysis, but if you think that Fran is going away from Jok when we need a bucket... did you bet against Gesell getting the ball at the end of the half/game? Fran is set in his ways in that regard and we'll either see Pete come get the ball and run a high screen action or it will be Williams/Bohannon with Jok running off a double screen.

I agree with your preference that Cook would be harder to stop, but Fran has shown that guys have to earn the ball in their hands at critical situations. Uthoff was still probably the best player on the team two years ago, yet he got 1 game winning/tying shot (@ Minnesota to win)? It was Marble's show, then it was Gesell's show, now it will likely be Jok's show with the game on the line.
 
So maybe the question is - what about his choices you mention (Marble, Gesell, etc) is the consistent theme?

He had Jok to choose from last year, but didn't go to him even though he clearly is a much better shooter than Gesell.

My guess is that he wants the initial ball handler to be the type who can "stir the drink" so to say and get the defense react to the threat of penetration. Both Marble and Gesell could penetrate, while Jok and Uthoff are more likely to just try to get you off balance within a fixed area to get their shot off, while not really creating opportunities for others.

Jok won't be much different this year. Cook to me is the guy who immediately forces the defense to double, regardless of if he catches it in the post or is facing up from 15-20 feet. He's a mismatch who forces a double team and who can get to the rim while facing up much easier than Jok (ball handling relative to the defender) or Uthoff (strength and finishing options).

I think Fran will have Williams get it to Cook on the perimeter if he's got a big on him, or in the post if he has a small on him, and force the defense to double team. They will have to - the question is how good is Cook at identifying the right pass out of the double team and doing it on time and accurately.

You may be right and they let Jok go 1 on 1, but I have a sneaking suspicion that as the year goes on it will be Cook as the hub of the wheel in that situation and everyone else is a spoke. You may even agree with that, but your point is that Fran may not, and you could be correct. We'll see - that's why these boards are interesting and I like hearing what others think may happen or should happen (if we were coaching, which clearly is optimal, eh?).
 
Hah, would love to see Cook show that aspect of his game. Would be a pleasant surprise and add a wrinkle for other teams to prepare for.

Didn't Jok work on his handles all off season? I thought that was the feedback he got from the draft process. I would expect from that to see him driving more to both draw fouls/free throws and finish in traffic.
 
Would be great if Jok could add that element to his game. My guess is that the improvement is perhaps minor and not major, but I'm sure he'll be testing it out here in November and December :)
 
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