Did the North Carolina Bathroom Law Cost Duke?

[Franisdaman]

The issue sure is on CBS Sports' mind.

...The game’s location and the reasons for the tournament being played at said location must be addressed. Almost no one is going to be feeling sorry for Duke losing, but we have to have a realistic discussion here.

Duke, a 2 seed, in effect played a road game in the NCAA Tournament. South Carolina fans, as they should have, overtook the building. Tar Heels fans, as they should have, filled up the joint and joined in their border buddies to cheer against Duke. But this was a bracket oddity. The selection committee could have opted to put South Carolina as a 7 in the Midwest and Michigan as a 7 in the East, flipping the teams, and the disadvantage would’ve been eliminated.

The reason for the unprecedented quasi-home court for a lower-seeded team in a second round game was born from an unprecedented decision. This game was held in Greenville, South Carolinam, only because of a man named Pat McCrory. He’s the now-voted-out governor from North Carolina who put into law a bill that the NCAA protested by means of moving the 2017 tourney out of Greensboro, North Carolina.

House Bill 2, which is viewed as discriminatory in the eyes of millions, doesn’t allow for people who identify as a certain sex to use the bathroom of their choosing. It has been an issue of national debate for months. The NCAA makes its choice to move the tournament out of North Carolina, and here’s the collateral damage of McCrory’s legislation. Sports and politics mix more often than people realize, but this was a decision that wound up costing millions for Duke, the state of North Carolina and the ACC.

Duke didn’t lose because of where it played, but the NCAA’s moving the tourney out of North Carolina unquestionably had some impact on what happened Sunday night.

The whole story: http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ke-essentially-a-road-game-vs-south-carolina/

 

[2432Hawk]

It's so sadd how Duke had to play outside of North Carolina in the NCAA Tourney... Boo Hoo.

It's not like they played a 7 seed in their home state on the west coast.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Did the players use the wrong bathroom or something?

 

[bagdropper]

Possibly. But remember, they've played in NC in the tourney an awful lot of times through the years.

If it's unfair against them, it was unfair for them too.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I disagree with this. 1- Duke is a big brand. They have fans wherever they go. It's not like South Carolina fans had first dibs on all the tickets. 2- it's only 3.5 hrs away from their campus. When Iowa was one of those protected seeds we were playing in Detroit. 3- Grayson Allen.

 

[HawkLogic]

The real question was why the heck does the NCAA give so many advantages to these mega-blue bloods in 1st place. All these 1 and done lottery picks are not student athletes and do not graduate.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

It's so sadd how Duke had to play outside of North Carolina in the NCAA Tourney... Boo Hoo.

It's not like they played a 7 seed in their home state on the west coast.

This they have not had to play a road game in the Tournament for a long time.

Poor Duke, I am sure they will use this as an excuse for years to come.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

I disagree with this. 1- Duke is a big brand. They have fans wherever they go. It's not like South Carolina fans had first dibs on all the tickets. 2- it's only 3.5 hrs away from their campus. When Iowa was one of those protected seeds we were playing in Detroit. 3- Grayson Allen.

3- is right. Won't dispute that one lol

What I will dispute, and may be wrong, is I think the OP was focusing on how politics/sports intervene more than we realize on a year-to-year basis. Politics have a genuine impact, for sure. Duke did get screwed here and it can't really be ignored. As much as we all dislike them it is blatantly obvious that was a screw job for a 2 seed. If it was about anyone besides Duke I would feel a lot worse. They have definitely gotten their fair share of breaks over the years and that is just as obvious. Just looking at this instance alone, I would be livid as a Duke fan. They will get over it though.

 

[cidhawkeye]

The 3.5 hour road trip must have been brutal. The complaining on this one is laughable.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

It's simple. Look at your junk. That's the giveaway.

 

[hawkifann]

3- is right. Won't dispute that one lol

What I will dispute, and may be wrong, is I think the OP was focusing on how politics/sports intervene more than we realize on a year-to-year basis. Politics have a genuine impact, for sure. Duke did get screwed here and it can't really be ignored. As much as we all dislike them it is blatantly obvious that was a screw job for a 2 seed. If it was about anyone besides Duke I would feel a lot worse. They have definitely gotten their fair share of breaks over the years and that is just as obvious. Just looking at this instance alone, I would be livid as a Duke fan. They will get over it though.

It's really not any different than if they'd have played in Charlotte. Duke would have been about an hour closer and South Carolina would have been the same distance from Columbia (about 90 min from Columbia to both Greenville and Charlotte). Charlotte sits right on the state line, so Gamecock fans could have loaded up here, too.

Also, don't underestimate the "haters" everywhere Duke goes. In every game Duke plays in these tourneys, their fans cheer for them and everyone else roots against. I saw tons of UNC fans in the arena dancing like mad every time the Cocks went on a run.

If Duke fans don't like it, then travel the extra hour.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I never lose any sleep over anything bad that's related to the state of NC. Maybe Duke can convince the local politicians to stop being racist, ignorant bigots? Then maybe Duke can enjoy NCAA home games more often.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

I never lose any sleep over anything bad that's related to the state of NC. Maybe Duke can convince the local politicians to stop being racist, ignorant bigots? Then maybe Duke can enjoy NCAA home games more often.

Or maybe the NCAA should stay out of politics in their entirety.
If they really wanted to take a stand against this (which they shouldn't because again, they should stay out of politics) they should revoke NCAA membership to all the schools in the state.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Or maybe the NCAA should stay out of politics in there entirety.
If they really wanted to take a stand against this (which they shouldn't because again, they should stay out of politics) they should revoke NCAA membership to all the schools in the state.

How is this different than GE donation 100k to a politician to gain a favorable position for their business? If you want to keep businesses out of politics....I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed to learn that horse has left the barn, the county and the state.
How long have you been living in that cave in NC?

 

[IllQChawk]

Sure hope so.....hope it continues for years to come.....

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Duke losing totally screwed up my bracket, but I was still cheering for the gamecocks.

It is a shame that so many of our politicians try to gain support by making a big deal out of non-issues like how to use a bathroom.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Duke just can't catch a break.

 

[BubsFinn]

I'm having a hard time mustering any sympathy for Duke. Speaking of injecting politics into sports; this is the same school that threw its own student athletes under the bus when a false rape charge was leveled against them. This is the same school who's faculty signed a letter demanding innocent students be removed from campus and the lacrosse team be forced to forfeit their season.
Forgive me for not feeling bad their basketball team had to travel an extra hour for their NCAA game or their fans had to find places to park at an arena they haven't been to a thousand times.

 

[ICWestfan]

The 3.5 hour road trip must have been brutal. The complaining on this one is laughable.

We agree and well said.
Signed,
UCLA

 

[MepoDawg#]

Tell me again how this impacted Duke's performance on the court?

 

[cyyett]

Possibly. But remember, they've played in NC in the tourney an awful lot of times through the years.

If it's unfair against them, it was unfair for them too.

 

[mtown66]

I never lose any sleep over anything bad that's related to the state of NC. Maybe Duke can convince the local politicians to stop being racist, ignorant bigots? Then maybe Duke can enjoy NCAA home games more often.

So, are you saying that those confused people who want to use the restrooms of the opposite sex are a race of people? Is transgender/transvestite/crossdresser a race now? How is resisting the ridiculous notion that gender confused, and likely many perverted people as evidenced many times, should be given more consideration than innocent young girls?
If this is ignorant, then the NCAA should allow any man who identifies as a woman to actually compete in women's sports and share the showers with the females. That would be the bottom line conclusion that should be addressed by the NCAA's position on this issue.
And, how is Duke, or any entity in the state of N.C. responsible for what their legislature does and their governor signs into law? Duke, like all other universities are a bastion of liberalism and ,as such, would not have supported the State's restroom laws. And, just who the hell does the NCAA think it is to try and extort the State of N.C.?
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to provide those gender confused people with their own restrooms? Would providing just one additional restroom in every facility be enough or would we need one for those women who identify as males and one for the males who identify as females? And, naturally, every bathroom would need to be of the same quality so , for a mere, 1% of the population, if that many, we would need to double the number of restrooms in every restaurant, filling station, mall, school, government building, pop stand, convenience store, theater, roadside rest areas, etc., etc., etc. Because that is what would be coming next. The ignorance on this issue is with the liberals. The whole issue is just meant to cause division, unrest, and chaos and so far it is working. It never was meant to give a damn about anything else.
Your extreme bitterness has to make me wonder if you are using the correct bathroom.

 

[paladinhawk]

How is resisting the ridiculous notion that gender confused, and likely many perverted people as evidenced many times, should be given more consideration than innocent young girls?

Care to provide any evidence that trans are perverts? The fact is they are almost always the victims of assault/ other crimes not the perpetrators of crimes.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

So, are you saying that those confused people who want to use the restrooms of the opposite sex are a race of people? Is transgender/transvestite/crossdresser a race now? How is resisting the ridiculous notion that gender confused, and likely many perverted people as evidenced many times, should be given more consideration than innocent young girls?
If this is ignorant, then the NCAA should allow any man who identifies as a woman to actually compete in women's sports and share the showers with the females. That would be the bottom line conclusion that should be addressed by the NCAA's position on this issue.
And, how is Duke, or any entity in the state of N.C. responsible for what their legislature does and their governor signs into law? Duke, like all other universities are a bastion of liberalism and ,as such, would not have supported the State's restroom laws. And, just who the hell does the NCAA think it is to try and extort the State of N.C.?
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to provide those gender confused people with their own restrooms? Would providing just one additional restroom in every facility be enough or would we need one for those women who identify as males and one for the males who identify as females? And, naturally, every bathroom would need to be of the same quality so , for a mere, 1% of the population, if that many, we would need to double the number of restrooms in every restaurant, filling station, mall, school, government building, pop stand, convenience store, theater, roadside rest areas, etc., etc., etc. Because that is what would be coming next. The ignorance on this issue is with the liberals. The whole issue is just meant to cause division, unrest, and chaos and so far it is working. It never was meant to give a damn about anything else.
Your extreme bitterness has to make me wonder if you are using the correct bathroom.

I call it bigotry. The racist comment is just one that also includes the people of NC that I wanted to add.
The NCAA didn't pull the region from NC to punish Duke, specifically. Not sure where you got that idea. The NCAA can choose to have whomever they choose, host their tournament. They chose not to allow the state of NC to host any of their national tournament events because of the bigotry of that law. Not hard to understand. The NCAA has a 700 million dollar a year business to protect and if they believe that law can harm their business, they can and have chosen to not hold national tournament events in that state.
I don't have any idea why we would even need to come up with a cost to provide bathrooms for gender confused people. When I'm in a public restroom, I expect ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE to respect my privacy. Man, woman, child, service dogs....you name it. If a man that's dressed like a man, gets to familiar with what I'm doing in the restroom, he's going to be treated to 1 of 2 things (depending on my mood). He's going to be knocked TFO or he's going to have the police called on him. Who, why or how he/she identifies themselves has zero to do with it. There are laws governing these issues already. Laws that are supposed to provide privacy in a public restroom, from any would be pervert.
The only reason you view this as political is because you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed accordingly. If I'm at the urinal and a woman walks in and goes into the stall to pee, I DONT GIVE A SHIT!!!!! She is there to do one thing and one thing only and as long as she doesn't bother me...Good for her.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

For all of you idiots that are confused about what is expected in a public restroom, here is a free PSA just for your educational benefit
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND DO WHAT YOU WENT IN THERE TO DO.
If everyone does that and I fully expect them to, no matter how they identify themselves, there won't be a problem. If someone... anyone gets out of line in a restroom, call the cops. No matter how they are dressed or what their name/gender reflection is.
There are many laws that protect you against inappropriate behavior, no matter the circumstances. New laws designed to keep certain people out of certain restrooms will have zero effect on someone that's willing to violate you in a public place. This person already has no regard for right or wrong. Laws be damned.

 

[mtown66]

Care to provide any evidence that trans are perverts? The fact is they are almost always the victims of assault/ other crimes not the perpetrators of crimes.

You have a hard time with reading comprehension don't you?
'' How is resisting the ridiculous notion that gender confused, and likely many perverted people as evidenced many times, should be given more consideration than innocent young girls?''
What I said was gender confused, AND likely many perverted people. What I didn't say was gender confused, WHO are likely to be perverted people.

 

[mtown66]

For all of you idiots that are confused about what is expected in a public restroom, here is a free PSA just for your educational benefit
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND DO WHAT YOU WENT IN THERE TO DO.
If everyone does that and I fully expect them to, no matter how they identify themselves, there won't be a problem. If someone... anyone gets out of line in a restroom, call the cops. No matter how they are dressed or what their name/gender reflection is.
There are many laws that protect you against inappropriate behavior, no matter the circumstances. New laws designed to keep certain people out of certain restrooms will have zero effect on someone that's willing to violate you in a public place. This person already has no regard for right or wrong. Laws be damned.

So, you obviously just made the case that there should be no laws that allow transgendered/transvestites/crossdressers to use the restroom of their chosen gender because they can do their business in the restroom of their given gender because of the laws already in place to protect them.
Thank you, you lose.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

For all of you idiots that are confused about what is expected in a public restroom, here is a free PSA just for your educational benefit
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND DO WHAT YOU WENT IN THERE TO DO.
If everyone does that and I fully expect them to, no matter how they identify themselves, there won't be a problem. If someone... anyone gets out of line in a restroom, call the cops. No matter how they are dressed or what their name/gender reflection is.
There are many laws that protect you against inappropriate behavior, no matter the circumstances. New laws designed to keep certain people out of certain restrooms will have zero effect on someone that's willing to violate you in a public place. This person already has no regard for right or wrong. Laws be damned.

There were cross dressers that went to my college bar district and would look under stalls trying to see girls naked/prey on them when drunk. They were guys who dressed like girls and just very confused individuals. They would get arrested multiple times a year and still be back later. It got to be such a problem they were banned from the bar district. I realize there isn't a large majority of these people who are this way but how is that generalization any different than lumping us in with bigots because I have a view on what bathroom someone should use.

I don't make that generalization and realize that some people are just different to the core. I'm not sure what would possess someone to change their sex but it's not my place to judge. Just like it's not yours to judge someone for what they feel is normal or what they are comfortable with. I have a little sister... I have little girl cousins... I have every right to have that belief as do others. I could not be further from a bigot. One of my best friends to this day is Darion who was the running back for my high school football team. The funny thing about uneducated liberals, and I say "uneducated" because there are plenty who are extremely realistic/intelligent, is the double standard is so blatantly obvious for everyone else. It's laughable. I'm a republican but I can guarantee I am as big of an advocate as anyone for black/women's rights. Don't lump people in with the bigots because they don't want to worry about girls having to defend themselves against predators that want to dress like the other sex. Everyone has background and experiences. Doesn't make them bad people.

 

[mtown66]

I call it bigotry. The racist comment is just one that also includes the people of NC that I wanted to add.
The NCAA didn't pull the region from NC to punish Duke, specifically. Not sure where you got that idea. The NCAA can choose to have whomever they choose, host their tournament. They chose not to allow the state of NC to host any of their national tournament events because of the bigotry of that law. Not hard to understand. The NCAA has a 700 million dollar a year business to protect and if they believe that law can harm their business, they can and have chosen to not hold national tournament events in that state.
I don't have any idea why we would even need to come up with a cost to provide bathrooms for gender confused people. When I'm in a public restroom, I expect ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE to respect my privacy. Man, woman, child, service dogs....you name it. If a man that's dressed like a man, gets to familiar with what I'm doing in the restroom, he's going to be treated to 1 of 2 things (depending on my mood). He's going to be knocked TFO or he's going to have the police called on him. Who, why or how he/she identifies themselves has zero to do with it. There are laws governing these issues already. Laws that are supposed to provide privacy in a public restroom, from any would be pervert.
The only reason you view this as political is because you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed accordingly. If I'm at the urinal and a woman walks in and goes into the stall to pee, I DONT GIVE A SHIT!!!!! She is there to do one thing and one thing only and as long as she doesn't bother me...Good for her.

No, I don't view this as political. I view it as complete and utter nonsense and a moral issue. This is another means of destroying the morality of this nation as well as creating division, chaos and unrest.
Please explain to me just how the interests of the NCAA, specifically, the NCAA Basketball Tournament, would have been at risk if they held the games in North Carolina? Do you think that the tickets that might have been purchased by the transgendered/transvestite/crossdressers would have gone unsold? How damn stupid are you? I certainly hope that you are not a lawyer.
And, yes the NCAA punished many people in NC with their ruling. They punished the people who own or work in restaurants and hotels, gas stations, etc in the Greensboro area by denying them income and, yes the did harm Duke although Duke deserves it. It doesn't matter what the NCAA specific goal was, there are always repercussions that hurt others. And, since everyone should respects everyone else's privacy, then the transvestites, transgenders, crossdressers can easily use the restroom according to the genitalia that they currently have.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

There were cross dressers that went to my college bar district and would look under stalls trying to see girls naked/prey on them when drunk. They were guys who dressed like girls and just very confused individuals. They would get arrested multiple times a year and still be back later. It got to be such a problem they were banned from the bar district. I realize there isn't a large majority of these people who are this way but how is that generalization any different than lumping us in with bigots because I have a view on what bathroom someone should use.

I don't make that generalization and realize that some people are just different to the core. I'm not sure what would possess someone to change their sex but it's not my place to judge. Just like it's not yours to judge someone for what they feel is normal or what they are comfortable with. I have a little sister... I have little girl cousins... I have every right to have that belief as do others. I could not be further from a bigot. One of my best friends to this day is Darion who was the running back for my high school football team. The funny thing about uneducated liberals, and I say "uneducated" because there are plenty who are extremely realistic/intelligent, is the double standard is so blatantly obvious for everyone else. It's laughable. I'm a republican but I can guarantee I am as big of an advocate as anyone for black/women's rights. Don't lump people in with the bigots because they don't want to worry about girls having to defend themselves against predators that want to dress like the other sex. Everyone has background and experiences. Doesn't make them bad people.

They should have had them arrested. End of story. Those were heterosexual males looking to perv and used women's clothes to do it.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

So, you obviously just made the case that there should be no laws that allow transgendered/transvestites/crossdressers to use the restroom of their chosen gender because they can do their business in the restroom of their given gender because of the laws already in place to protect them.
Thank you, you lose.

I don't care what bathroom they use. Let them choose as long as they respect other's privacy. Thank you. You lose.
P.S. the people and the businesses of NC lose. Not me. And I'm fine with that.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

No, I don't view this as political. I view it as complete and utter nonsense and a moral issue. This is another means of destroying the morality of this nation as well as creating division, chaos and unrest.
Please explain to me just how the interests of the NCAA, specifically, the NCAA Basketball Tournament, would have been at risk if they held the games in North Carolina? Do you think that the tickets that might have been purchased by the transgendered/transvestite/crossdressers would have gone unsold? How damn stupid are you? I certainly hope that you are not a lawyer.
And, yes the NCAA punished many people in NC with their ruling. They punished the people who own or work in restaurants and hotels, gas stations, etc in the Greensboro area by denying them income and, yes the did harm Duke although Duke deserves it. It doesn't matter what the NCAA specific goal was, there are always repercussions that hurt others. And, since everyone should respects everyone else's privacy, then the transvestites, transgenders, crossdressers can easily use the restroom according to the genitalia that they currently have.

We don't have to understand why they made the decision they made, based on that bigoted law. The NBA made the same decision, so they must believe it can harm their product.
If the business owners of NC are financially harmed by bigoted laws that their politicians pass, maybe they should elect new ones and change those laws. Using "morals" as some political soap box to pass those kinds of laws has consequences. You are now having to deal with those consequences. Tough luck, buttercup?

 

[Gabe Sifuentes]

I called the Duke upset. Nova ruined my bracket. Figured Allen would do something stupid and the Dukies would choke. This group at Duke is a bunch of d-bags. Coach K should run some of them off and get some character guys. Otherwise Coach K should retire because it's clear he's given up.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Nobody ever said the moral fortitude was easy or without some consequences. If you want to be able to stand on your morals, then you have to learn to live with the fall out. Don't whine about it.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

They should have had them arrested. End of story. Those were heterosexual males looking to perv and used women's clothes to do it.

Who cares if they were heterosexual, homosexual, etc. I'm not even sure what all there is these days. The bottom line is a man by nature should not be allowed in a girls bathroom. It's not fair to them. FWIW they were arrested multiple times but it still continued. There is a very fine line that needs to be determined because I do agree that these guys were just troubled perves. My question is where do you draw the line? Do you check everyone's criminal history at the bathroom door? Do a quick background check? I mean there's just no way to regulate it.

My point is that it shouldn't be that easy for a perv to throw a dress and wig on and go in the girls bathroom. If that's a bigotry associated bill then I'll live with being a bigot. It's not right. I don't care how much their feelings are hurt. They made the choice to take on a different identity and good for them for doing so if it makes them feel comfortable in their body. I am just not ok with that allowing them to go in a girls bathroom. That's all. General safety of our citizens is more important than someone's feelings being hurt because they can't go in the bathroom they want to. Both sides of the political landscape believe anything they read on social media, biased news (both sides), etc. Sit back and think about it for a second. Are you really okay with predators having free entry to girls bathrooms because they identify themselves as a girl? C'mon now.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Who cares if they were heterosexual, homosexual, etc. I'm not even sure what all there is these days. The bottom line is a man by nature should not be allowed in a girls bathroom. It's not fair to them. FWIW they were arrested multiple times but it still continued. There is a very fine line that needs to be determined because I do agree that these guys were just troubled perves. My question is where do you draw the line? Do you check everyone's criminal history at the bathroom door? Do a quick background check? I mean there's just no way to regulate it.

My point is that it shouldn't be that easy for a perv to throw a dress and wig on and go in the girls bathroom. If that's a bigotry associated bill then I'll live with being a bigot. It's not right. I don't care how much their feelings are hurt. They made the choice to take on a different identity and good for them for doing so if it makes them feel comfortable in their body. I am just not ok with that allowing them to go in a girls bathroom. That's all. General safety of our citizens is more important than someone's feelings being hurt because they can't go in the bathroom they want to. Both sides of the political landscape believe anything they read on social media, biased news (both sides), etc. Sit back and think about it for a second. Are you really okay with predators having free entry to girls bathrooms because they identify themselves as a girl? C'mon now.

Let me get this straight. They were arrested multiple times and they kept doing it anyway? I fail to see how another law would help in this situation. Explain to me how another law would help.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

The connection between Duke losing because they didn't play in their home state is ridiculous. North Carolina played in Greenville too. Big deal. Duke played South Carolina in their home state. Yawn. Their fans should have been able to travel one state down just fine without issue to offset any "home court advantage" the Gamecocks had. Duke got beat. Plain and simple.

I consider myself Independent with many liberal leans, and I'm sorry, I do not understand creating a national controversy about where less than 1% of the population goes potty. And it's this whole loony liberal, PC-tomfoolery that paved the way for someone like Donald Trump--the antithesis of PC (and many things for that matter)--to convince enough moderates and swing voters to vote for him. So congratulations liberals! Because of your inane war on anything that isn't PC-enough for you, we now have a wanna-be dictator, mental midget, petulant brat as commander in chief who's really going to eff up our country (our economy, health care, standing in the world, and the environment to name a few). Sure, Hillary's email scandal (which really isn't a scandal---shoot, Mike Pence's private email account got hacked when he was governor, and no one is going to be crying "Lock him up!") didn't help, but I don't think Donald Trump's "pussy grabber" video and so many other insanely idiotic things he said helped him with moderates, either. So that's a wash. No, you can pretty much bank on the transgender bathroom controversy being what pushed enough moderates and swing voters over the edge--after all, Obamacare haters were never voting for Hillary, anyway.

And let's be real. Using a public bathroom has nothing to do with gender expression--it is, or should be, nothing more than answering the call of nature--a function of our biology. So, to be succinct and matter-of-fact about the issue: if you have a vagina, use the bathroom that accommodates that. If you have a penis, yep, go to the bathroom that has urinals. It really isn't that difficult. If this is confusing or a problem for you, tough titty. The bathroom is a place for you to do your business, not express an alternative gender identity. Period.

But thanks again, liberals, for this inane pissing match (pun intended) you've started. I hope trying to accommodate the "needs" of less than 1% of the population was worth the election of Donny.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I call it bigotry. The racist comment is just one that also includes the people of NC that I wanted to add.
The NCAA didn't pull the region from NC to punish Duke, specifically. Not sure where you got that idea. The NCAA can choose to have whomever they choose, host their tournament. They chose not to allow the state of NC to host any of their national tournament events because of the bigotry of that law. Not hard to understand. The NCAA has a 700 million dollar a year business to protect and if they believe that law can harm their business, they can and have chosen to not hold national tournament events in that state.
I don't have any idea why we would even need to come up with a cost to provide bathrooms for gender confused people. When I'm in a public restroom, I expect ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE to respect my privacy. Man, woman, child, service dogs....you name it. If a man that's dressed like a man, gets to familiar with what I'm doing in the restroom, he's going to be treated to 1 of 2 things (depending on my mood). He's going to be knocked TFO or he's going to have the police called on him. Who, why or how he/she identifies themselves has zero to do with it. There are laws governing these issues already. Laws that are supposed to provide privacy in a public restroom, from any would be pervert.
The only reason you view this as political is because you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed accordingly. If I'm at the urinal and a woman walks in and goes into the stall to pee, I DONT GIVE A SHIT!!!!! She is there to do one thing and one thing only and as long as she doesn't bother me...Good for her.

And this, in a nutshell, is why Democrats continue to lose elections. If you don't agree with a biological male being in a women's restroom, you're automatically a bigot. I voted for Hillary, because I've never had my head that far up my ass to think Trump would be anything but a disaster for this country (and the world), but according to your camp, I'm a bigot.

In fact, the liberal rallying cry these days seems to be--"We love diversity and inclusion, so long as you agree with us."

Well, again, congratulations, this attitude is why Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2016--which is sad, because the far right is really going to eff things up. Hope it was worth it to you.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

And this, in a nutshell, is why Democrats continue to lose elections. If you don't agree with a biological male being in a women's restroom, you're automatically a bigot. I voted for Hillary, because I've never had my head that far up my ass to think Trump would be anything but a disaster for this country (and the world), but according to your camp, I'm a bigot.

In fact, the liberal rallying cry these days seems to be--"We love diversity and inclusion, so long as you agree with us."

Well, again, congratulations, this attitude is why Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2016--which is sad, because the far right is really going to eff things up. Hope it was worth it to you.

I don't know if you're a bigot or not but you're certainly an idiot if you believe that law does anything but single out a minority group. To pass a law that does nothing but cause a problem where there is no problem, at the expense of a minority group of people, is indeed bigotry.
The law does absolutely nothing to keep perverts from being perverts. It protects nobody. Anyone with half a brain can see that. And I'm not a Democrat. I don't vote for Democrats and couldn't care less what they have handed to them. I believe in common sense. It's common sense to mind your own damn business in a public restroom. Don't bother anyone else and they shouldn't bother you. Regardless of gender I'd, race or religious affiliation. Any of the above mentioned groups messes with me, I'll split their skull or if they're lucky, call the cops. I don't care how they're dressed or who they act like. You go ahead and pick and choose who molests you in the bathroom. I hope you get the right people to help you out.

 

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I don't know if you're a bigot or not but you're certainly an idiot if you believe that law does anything but single out a minority group. To pass a law that does nothing but cause a problem where there is no problem, at the expense of a minority group of people, is indeed bigotry.
The law does absolutely nothing to keep perverts from being perverts. It protects nobody. Anyone with half a brain can see that. And I'm not a Democrat. I don't vote for Democrats and couldn't care less what they have handed to them. I believe in common sense. It's common sense to mind your own damn business in a public restroom. Don't bother anyone else and they shouldn't bother you. Regardless of gender I'd, race or religious affiliation. Any of the above mentioned groups messes with me, I'll split their skull or if they're lucky, call the cops. I don't care how they're dressed or who they act like. You go ahead and pick and choose who molests you in the bathroom. I hope you get the right people to help you out.

Smh. I think I see what the problem is. In an honest attempt to engage in meaningful debate, I am in danger of being dragged down to your level, where you will likely beat me with experience. Yes, that is the Mark Twain quote I'm referencing regarding arguing with stupid people. That is clearly the juncture we have reached here.

So let me endeavor to be brief and to the point--I don't know if you're an idiot or not (and frankly don't care), but what I can say for certain is you either enjoy laying siege of a vacant castle (shit, and I'm not even talking to an Iowa State troll here) or you have considerably poor reading comprehension skills. Or perhaps all of the above. Either way, the problem is yours.

1) At no point do I specifically make a comment or even tacitly reference the North Carolina bathroom law in terms of its merits. I simply point out that believing the law led to Duke's demise in the NCAA tournament is a dubious one at best.

2) My political statements were unequivocally about President Obama's executive orders regarding compliance, particularly threatening to take away federal funding to public schools who didn't comply with allowing transgender students to use the bathroom of their choosing, and the wisdom of such an order in an important election year. You may consider that a tangential diatribe, and could easily be right, but I would argue no more so than the bull shit you went off about (to put it colloquially...lol).

3) You may believe in common sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like you have too great of an affinity with it.

4) At no point did I reference a transgender person as a "pervert" or anything else derogatory. I simply stated my view that going potty is a function of our biology and not germane or relevant to gender expression. I respect those who disagree with me on that particular point; again, my actual point was in emphasizing the lack of foresight in how problematic that would be in an important election year. A point you never touched--which, given the self-righteous drivel you have polluted this thread with, it makes perfect sense why you didn't. (Pssst--yes, I'm calling you a self-deluded mental midget. Sorry, but you aren't as smart as you'd like to believe you are.)

5. I'm sorry you struggle with reading comprehension and a seemingly incorrigible need to lay siege of a vacant castle. Furthermore, in your apparent haste to label everyone who disagrees with you as an "idiot," you conveniently ignored one) your issues with reading comprehension and two) your own intellectual deficiencies. So, in an attempt to spare you further embarrassment (lucky for you this is an anonymous message board, which may explain your fervor in trying to sound intellectual and smart), I leave you with the advice of our 16th president, Abraham Lincoln: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and completely relinquish all doubt."

Good night to you sir (or ma'am).