So far Bernie has won the popular vote twice. As it stands now:
42 delegates for BS.
394 delegates for Shedevil.
42 delegates for BS.
394 delegates for Shedevil.
DNC more corrupt than the RNC?
- Thread starter thomasmulligan
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Well we don't know that he won the popular vote in Iowa. I would like to see though. The Iowa Democratic Caucus isn't too transparent.
As you say, they are both corrupt. The DNC is a lot more open in who they want to run. And I believe the only reason Bush hasn't hung it up is because the RNC wants him to win.
Neither party is corrupt. Parties can nominate their own candidates any way they see fit. The party leadership is under no obligation to let the rank and file membership select its slate of candidates. The fact that they allow the rank and file a voice in the process is a relatively recent phenomenon.
While that may be correct, do you agree that the parties put forth the appearance that the voters' choices is the deciding factor? I mean, if we're going to operate under the theory that the party can proceed any way they see fit, why bother with primaries at all? Just let the party leaders pick the candidates and quit pretending that the primary vote matters.
thomas....there was no "popular vote" in the Iowa caucuses. The purpose of the Iowa caucus is to elect DELEGATES to the county convention. The Dems used a rather complex formula to determine delegates and that is why only smart folks can be Democrats in Iowa.
This exact issue happened with Obama in 2008. If Bernie starts winning more states those Superdelegates will start to flip. The DNC won't override the will of the people voting in the primaries. If they do, they run into the likelihood of alienating over half their voters and would be about the only way they can guarantee the GOP winning the Presidency next fall. Well, provided Trump isn't the nominee. He might scare the bejezzus out of enough people that they will vote to prevent a Trump presidency over anything else.
Interesting that in 2008 the party did release popular vote numbers. Now they claim they don't do that. Smells funny to me.
I suppose you would describe a Chinese fire-drill as rather complex too.
Exactly, bio....but why even try and explain to these guys (gals) who would refuse to understand even if they could. And it makes no difference that BOTH parties have "super delegates"...it's all a Democratic Party conspiracy.
Republicans only have three super delegates per each state. 20 percent of all delegates in the Democratic party are super delegates.
For the "Dems"? They will probably do the same this time, then.....but the way delegates are determined, its a fools mission. The rules are the rules... and the "15% viability" is CERTAINLY understood by caucus attendees BEFORE the results are tabulated/reported. The "15% viability" rule is what makes Dems different than GOPers in Iowa caucus goers and in determining the number of delegates.It certainly is nothing sinister or corrupt, as those who fail to understand might claim. Like I said earlier...you have to be a little bit smarter to be a Iowa Democrat.
Yeah....and your point? Everyone understands the difference Trad......the rules are clearly published and enforced. By both parties.
It can happen....a few years ago KF and the football team had a streak of winning 14 coin flips in a row.6 coin flips and they all go Hillary's way?????
Understand...but if the math is the math then the coin flip occurs.....it is written in the rules.....You think the coin flip was rigged...as both candidates have witnesses to the flip?A coin flip is not a complex formula.
Jeeeebus Keeerrist, you are a conspiracy nut too.....do you own a night light?
The fact that so many coin flips were required in the first place is suspect.
They do one before every football game, too. There are 1600+ precincts in Iowa and both candidates turned out lots of supporters......Sometimes this is the way the pickle squirts.....
I bet you a dollar to a donut damn near every precinct has "captains" from BOTH candidates..and maybe all three candidates, COUNT preference groups until there was an agreement of all parties concerned. That is how it was done at mine....and this how it has always been done at caucuses I have attended in the past 40 years.
What is your concern here anyway? It's really a pretty transparent process....it is just a matter odf getting folks attending to PAY ATTENTION because there might be 4 or 5 "counts" made.
Lighten up Francis.
I don't think the coin flip was rigged I just feel it is a pretty sorry way to award delegates to a convention to pick the President of the United States. Why not give the odd delegate to the candidate with the most votes?
no...counting until the results are LEGITIMATE! In Dem caucuses there is a 15% viability rule. A candidate (or even "undecideds") must reach a 15% viability threshold to be legit and be awarded delegates. If a group does not have 15% viability, it must join another viable group. Thems the rules.Counting until the desired outcome is agreed upon?
Okay....
You really need to attend one once Trad....It isn't meant to be "democratic" as much as it is meant to be Democratic.....It is fair and it is transparent, though......
I don't see how being required to publicly state who you support is fair. Who's going to stand on the other side of the room from their boss? Not me....
well, Democrats do. Personally, if I ever agreed with anything my boss was a proponent of, I would change my mind. Think of it as "standing for your candidate". It's kind of a ball check.
How can that be intimidating?
Did they win 14 straight coin flips or did they receive in 14 straight games?
They won 14 straight flips......or some such rediculous number. They "won" the flip....Point is....6 can certainly be had as well as losing 6......A coin flip (monitired) is not a conspiracy. Shit happens. That's the way the pickle squirts......
If you read the thread you'll see they pride themselves on the undemocratic ways of the democrat party.
but thomas, it is FAIR. It is transparent. It is not democratic...it is Democratic, however.
It's fair to give a minority of delegates to the majority vote-getter? Are you a math teacher for common core?
Well those coin flips happened over several weeks so it's like a totally different thing.
they can go any where they want...but to be "viavble" you have to have 15%. Yes, it is fair....just as fair as a posted 25 mph speed limit.
