DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER, EVEN IF THE MESSENGER IS COWHERD
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Cowherd is blowhard that states things that are offend not true. Sean Taylor, football player for Redskins, was killed in a botched robbery where the robbers didn't realize he was home. They got surprised and shot and kill him.
Cowherd states Taylor was killed because of his rough past and the Skin fans who mourned him were not "grown ups". Also compared Taylor to a rug that was cleaned but down deep they couldn't get all the stains out.
He also stated that Dominican Republic baseball players came from a country that the academics r worse then most countries and it's a rough backward place to live. This upset some of the Dominican ball players including Jose Bautista. MLB players union asked for an apology. Cowherd never really gave apology until his last show on ESPN. By that time ESPN had already decided to part ways with Cowherd.
He also called out the Dan Patrick Show claiming Dan was basically a phony because of the dozen of people he had helping on his show. Dan responded and pretty much made Cowherd look stupid.
Cowherd states Taylor was killed because of his rough past and the Skin fans who mourned him were not "grown ups". Also compared Taylor to a rug that was cleaned but down deep they couldn't get all the stains out.
He also stated that Dominican Republic baseball players came from a country that the academics r worse then most countries and it's a rough backward place to live. This upset some of the Dominican ball players including Jose Bautista. MLB players union asked for an apology. Cowherd never really gave apology until his last show on ESPN. By that time ESPN had already decided to part ways with Cowherd.
He also called out the Dan Patrick Show claiming Dan was basically a phony because of the dozen of people he had helping on his show. Dan responded and pretty much made Cowherd look stupid.
BHGP is going to be on the naughty listed very soon with articles like that.
top 30 programs aren't interested in scheduling home and home with Iowa.
It's not like Iowa hasn't tried to schedule better teams. these better teams never seem to want to do it on fair terms. they always want a 2 for 1 or 1 home game and 1 neutral.
These programs don't play Iowa for the very same reason Iowa fans suggest that playing ISU is not in Iowa's best interest.
Hypothetical top 20 program playing Iowa:
Win - expected to win, no prestige gained
Lose - perceived as a huge upset and disrespect ensues.
It's not like Iowa hasn't tried to schedule better teams. these better teams never seem to want to do it on fair terms. they always want a 2 for 1 or 1 home game and 1 neutral.
These programs don't play Iowa for the very same reason Iowa fans suggest that playing ISU is not in Iowa's best interest.
Hypothetical top 20 program playing Iowa:
Win - expected to win, no prestige gained
Lose - perceived as a huge upset and disrespect ensues.
I agree. No idea why they would defend Cowherd. Obviously they aren't happy with Iowa's non-conference scheduling, but that's a completely different discussion. Cowherd's hateful rant really had nothing to do with Iowa's non-conference scheduling, as the facts show that they are not really different from anyone else at their level. He just decided that he didn't like Iowa getting in the way of all his favorite teams, so he just started spewing out crap to help make his point. Iowa would have to put LeBron and Kobe on their roster to get him to shut up.
What this argument ignores is that most years we will play some combination of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, or Penn State, so our strength of schedule will be tougher.
True, if the national "pundits" wanted to rip on something, just rip on the fact that we got lucky not having to play any of the good teams in the East division. That I could understand. Ripping on our non conference stuff is just foolish.
yeah, why look at Iowa's scheduling philosophy objectively? The nerve of them.
The fact is folks, Wyoming Barta(a title a good friend of mine has been using for years when referring to Gary) and KF have scheduled soft over the course of their tenure at Iowa. Before the season, Iowa fans were optimistic we could improve this season because the schedule was soft. Now that we're winning and the national media are calling out the schedule, fans are up in arms. That doesn't make sense to me. While Coward is insufferable, he has a point. Iowa generally doesn't schedule difficult games in the non-conference. The schedule is what it is...soft.
2011: Tennessee Tech, Iowa State, Pitt, Louisiana Monroe
2012: Northern Illinois, Iowa State, UNI, Central Michigan
2013: Northern Illinois, Missouri State, Iowa State, Western Michigan
2014: UNI, Ball State, Iowa State, Pitt
2015: Illinois State, Iowa State, Pitt, North Texas
2016: Miami (OH), Iowa State, North Dakota State
2017: Wyoming, Iowa State, North Texas
Now, that shouldn't take away from a team that is playing very well, and we'll just have to see what happens over the course of the next month or so. This Iowa team, players especially, shouldn't be devalued for what happened last year, the year before, etc. I take issue to media types that suggest they won't rank Iowa based solely on the merits of this year, and point towards the blow out to TN and penalize this years squad, that is ludicrous imo. The players and coaches have absolutely responded this year and are playing very well, and they should be applauded for that. Furthermore, they should be rewarded for their efforts, and they have been which is evidenced by our current CFP ranking.
Its great Iowa is nationally relevant again, but we also shouldn't be so thin skinned when outsiders(and some Hawk fans) look at our scheduling tactics over the years objectively, and suggest it could be a lot better(difficult/appealing).
at least that is my .02
Go Hawks!
Cowturd is an irrelevant mouthpiece. I do hope we add a couple more P5 opponents in the future (2020 Cowboys Classic vs Bama, anyone?)
But I will repost this that I compiled, showing our OCC schedule, at least this year, isn't all that bad compared to SOME other CFP contenders:
But I will repost this that I compiled, showing our OCC schedule, at least this year, isn't all that bad compared to SOME other CFP contenders:
Vint is correct in saying that Iowa won't give up that 7th game. He is correct that it could bite Iowa in a future season (as successful as this one).
What he doesn't offer is a solution. If you want Iowa to strengthen the non-con in a 9 game B10 regular season, one of two things will occur to do so.
1) you lose ISU permanently in the HOPE you can always get a good, fair, equitable home and home with viable P5 programs EVERY year.
or
2) you are going to lose that 7th home game and play a lot better opponent on the road an awful lot. No matter what anybody claims here, getting a fair home and home with good opponents is why Iowa doesn't do this now already.
If it were easier, it'd already be done. Every year.
Before you answer, consider how important that 7th home game is to the program financially (that 9th conference game isn't always going to be a home game), how important it is to the corridor area, and the record effect of playing a supposed stronger non-con opponent mostly on the road alot.
What he doesn't offer is a solution. If you want Iowa to strengthen the non-con in a 9 game B10 regular season, one of two things will occur to do so.
1) you lose ISU permanently in the HOPE you can always get a good, fair, equitable home and home with viable P5 programs EVERY year.
or
2) you are going to lose that 7th home game and play a lot better opponent on the road an awful lot. No matter what anybody claims here, getting a fair home and home with good opponents is why Iowa doesn't do this now already.
If it were easier, it'd already be done. Every year.
Before you answer, consider how important that 7th home game is to the program financially (that 9th conference game isn't always going to be a home game), how important it is to the corridor area, and the record effect of playing a supposed stronger non-con opponent mostly on the road alot.
With the Big Ten going to a 9 game schedule and the Big Ten Championship game this will never ever bite us when it comes to the playoff, a zero loss or even probably a one-loss Big Ten champion is always going to get into the playoff.
We're trading a game against a Pitt for a game against a Michigan St or Michigan etc, we're not losing a quality game against a quality opponent, doesn't matter if it's out of conference or in-conference.
We're trading a game against a Pitt for a game against a Michigan St or Michigan etc, we're not losing a quality game against a quality opponent, doesn't matter if it's out of conference or in-conference.
Cowturd is an irrelevant mouthpiece. I do hope we add a couple more P5 opponents in the future (2020 Cowboys Classic vs Bama, anyone?)
But I will repost this that I compiled, showing our OCC schedule, at least this year, isn't all that bad compared to SOME other CFP contenders:
It's such a joke that Cowherd goes after Iowa for schedule, especially non-con schedule. Iowa's ooc schedule is significantly better than LSU, Okie State, Baylor and TCU. I'm guessing Tennessee and South Carolina may be the only two teams in the entire SEC whose average non-con opponent is as strong or stronger than Iowa's. Even Alabama has a weaker non-con than us on average, which I wouldn't have expected.
Colin Cowherd was born on 16thJanuary 1964 in Grayland, Washington. His father Charles Cowherd was an optometrist and his mother Patricia was a house wife. Colin describes his childhood as “dark and idyllic”. Charles and Patricia got divorced when Colin was of tender age and he recalls that he was not much close to his elder sister either. His father married eight times and his mother was three times divorced which is why he considers himself “a child of divorces”. His British mother, Patricia took good care of him and his elder sister while his father was living with his stepmom.
Looks like Colon Cowturd has some stains under the rug too
Looks like Colon Cowturd has some stains under the rug too
Exactly, but they can't blame us for the conference schedule and they want to portray our overall schedule weakness as something iowa set up.
Iowa's OOC is pretty much on par with everyone else. End of story.
yeah, why look at Iowa's scheduling philosophy objectively? The nerve of them.
The fact is folks, Wyoming Barta(a title a good friend of mine has been using for years when referring to Gary) and KF have scheduled soft over the course of their tenure at Iowa. Before the season, Iowa fans were optimistic we could improve this season because the schedule was soft. Now that we're winning and the national media are calling out the schedule, fans are up in arms. That doesn't make sense to me. While Coward is insufferable, he has a point. Iowa generally doesn't schedule difficult games in the non-conference. The schedule is what it is...soft.
2011: Tennessee Tech, Iowa State, Pitt, Louisiana Monroe
2012: Northern Illinois, Iowa State, UNI, Central Michigan
2013: Northern Illinois, Missouri State, Iowa State, Western Michigan
2014: UNI, Ball State, Iowa State, Pitt
2015: Illinois State, Iowa State, Pitt, North Texas
2016: Miami (OH), Iowa State, North Dakota State
2017: Wyoming, Iowa State, North Texas
Now, that shouldn't take away from a team that is playing very well, and we'll just have to see what happens over the course of the next month or so. This Iowa team, players especially, shouldn't be devalued for what happened last year, the year before, etc. I take issue to media types that suggest they won't rank Iowa based solely on the merits of this year, and point towards the blow out to TN and penalize this years squad, that is ludicrous imo. The players and coaches have absolutely responded this year and are playing very well, and they should be applauded for that. Furthermore, they should be rewarded for their efforts, and they have been which is evidenced by our current CFP ranking.
Its great Iowa is nationally relevant again, but we also shouldn't be so thin skinned when outsiders(and some Hawk fans) look at our scheduling tactics over the years objectively, and suggest it could be a lot better(difficult/appealing).
at least that is my .02
Go Hawks!
Iowa typically scheduled two P5 teams and two teams that will play at kinnick without a return trip. That's better than 75% of the teams out there including the media darlings. If Iowa schedules soft then do does everyone else. With all the evidence showing this why are there people who still don't get it?
If we were 8-1 with a loss to ANYONE, we would be mostly out of the playoff picture I believe. Even if it was Alabama, LSU, Baylor, OK St, or Clemson. Iowa is not currently a team that gets to make the playoff with 1 loss. There will be several 1 loss teams every year, and they would be ranked ahead of us.
Given that, I think we should continue to schedule our nonconference schedule semi-soft. Play mid-level power 5 teams. If we go undefeated and win the Big Ten Championship Game, we still make the playoffs, so who cares if people want to cry about it.
I'd much rather be 9-0 in the playoff picture than be 8-1 with a quality loss ranked 18 with no chance.
Given that, I think we should continue to schedule our nonconference schedule semi-soft. Play mid-level power 5 teams. If we go undefeated and win the Big Ten Championship Game, we still make the playoffs, so who cares if people want to cry about it.
I'd much rather be 9-0 in the playoff picture than be 8-1 with a quality loss ranked 18 with no chance.
Yeah, Cowherd says he's not paid to 'make up news.' Understood and I agree. However, he is paid to run shows every day or every other day so the problem he has is that he has to 'talk,' before doing any research. To say that Iowa neglects picking up the phone to schedule better teams is an unfounded accusation. He offers no proof of knowing this. I support Kirk when he makes fun of 'guys with a microphone,' like Cowherd. So, Cowherd, is nice but really he's a 'conversation starter,' in my opinion, nothing more. He's already moved on and so should everybody else unless people really think something shady is going on here with Iowa's non conference scheduling.
While ISU, Pitt and Syracuse are P5 schools, collectively they aren't good. Syracuse has three winning seasons since 2002. Pitt isn't exactly what you would call a tough opponent most years...they've found their way into the top 25 a few times during the past decade. As for ISU, while I get the 'rivalry' aspect might make it a more difficult game that some would expect, the fact is they are a cellar dweller in the B12. These three schools have been our 'tough' non-conference games for the past decade. While saying they are P5 is accurate, its hardly considered a difficult non-conference schedule. I think the point is, Iowa has failed to play top tier or Top 25 type opponents in the non-conference, in fact its been 5 years since we played a ranked opponent in the non-conference portion of our schedule.
Of course we schedule some cream puffs, everyone does, but we shouldn't go 5 years without playing a marquee name and/or ranked opponent in the non-conference.
Iowa is never going to be a power yr. in and yr. out. Scheduling a top SEC team or top PAC 12 team or a ND makes little sense when Iowa picks up a 9th Big 10 game. Worry about the Big 10 and the rest will fall into place. I listened to Cowherd say one reason Iowa doesn't want to play a tougher schedule is because Iowa is afraid getting players hurt. Unlike Wisconsin, MSU, and OSU who will take their changes and play top teams. He basically called Barta and Ferentz cowards. With the way Iowa has to recruit and hope they can develop depth along with developing players, I think that's pretty smart.
I can remember back in the pre Fry days when Iowa played ND, USC, PSU, and Neb. I remember Ray Nagel who was suppose to have his best team lose 48-0 to USC and 24-14 to Oregon State. They would play ND with a halftime score of 31-0. I could never figure that getting your brains kicked out by a great team will help improve your team.
So if Ferentz plays a few cream puffs in the non-conference schedule, with maybe a Pitt or Arizona to keep improving through out the season, I could care less. They can play those top teams at the end of the season in a good bowl game.
I can remember back in the pre Fry days when Iowa played ND, USC, PSU, and Neb. I remember Ray Nagel who was suppose to have his best team lose 48-0 to USC and 24-14 to Oregon State. They would play ND with a halftime score of 31-0. I could never figure that getting your brains kicked out by a great team will help improve your team.
So if Ferentz plays a few cream puffs in the non-conference schedule, with maybe a Pitt or Arizona to keep improving through out the season, I could care less. They can play those top teams at the end of the season in a good bowl game.
Thinking about it more today, I think Cowherd is half right.
He has a point, and we are afraid to schedule a real opponent. I don't know if this is simply because of the economics though? We need those home games? Really gonna be even worse when we go to 9 conference games.
THAT BEING SAID, I do think Pitt deserves to get some credit here. He was touting how tough Wisconsin and Stanford are. C'mon, Pitt is every bit on that same level I think. Plus, he was saying how impossible it is to win at Wisconsin, which we already did.
So, I guess he does have a point that we can agree with. But it certainly isn't like what he is making it out to be either.
He has a point, and we are afraid to schedule a real opponent. I don't know if this is simply because of the economics though? We need those home games? Really gonna be even worse when we go to 9 conference games.
THAT BEING SAID, I do think Pitt deserves to get some credit here. He was touting how tough Wisconsin and Stanford are. C'mon, Pitt is every bit on that same level I think. Plus, he was saying how impossible it is to win at Wisconsin, which we already did.
So, I guess he does have a point that we can agree with. But it certainly isn't like what he is making it out to be either.
Barta has said time and time again that we can't get the top 25 type teams to play a home and home with us. Furthermore, we're tied into the game with ISU. The time frame you cite includes the time we were supposed to have games with Mizzou so if you're considering our intent to schedule you really should include them.
I would argue we schedule the hardest non con we can while maintaining 7 home games. Saying we haven't scheduled harder P5 teams does not mean we haven't tried within the parameters to which we're bound.
Also- we can go back to discussing the REAL problem with this, and maybe someone should mention THIS to Cowherd...
The problem is Iowa State, they are our only open spot for a "markee" home and home game, but we are tied to the hip with them, and they get NO credit for being a decent program nor they should.
No win when it comes to playing them IS the correct response, AND the biggest problem.
The problem is Iowa State, they are our only open spot for a "markee" home and home game, but we are tied to the hip with them, and they get NO credit for being a decent program nor they should.
No win when it comes to playing them IS the correct response, AND the biggest problem.
I think once you get to the non-P5 schools with a few exceptions (Houston, BYU, etc.) ranking is irrelevant as they are almost always certain wins for the power school. The difficulty of a non-conference schedule to me is not average ranking of 3-4 opponents but how difficult it is to go undefeated. Wisconsin and Virginia Tech for example had BRUTAL non-conference schedules because they scheduled themselves out of national title contention in week 1.
Kansas State always had a tradition of scheduling a cupcake non-conference schedule. Bill Snyder always seemed to get a pass. Heck, he did so even while loading up on JUCO talent too ... also a somewhat sketchy practice. Again, he'd get a pass. Not unlike Iowa, Kansas State is caught in a tough place geographically ... there is little wonder why they were a cellar dweller for so long. Once Ron Prince too over ... the old ways returned. It took none-other than Snyder to re-fix the mess.
So what happens with Iowa? Are we all of a sudden going to stop being a developmental program? Given our geography, it would be foolish for us to stop relying upon player development. However, the "problem" with player development is that we're almost always more than a little rough around the edges early in the season. I think grosie hits the nail on the head in the following quote ...
I also think that bagdropper is completely correct as well. It's not like Iowa hasn't tried to schedule equitable home-home series with other teams for the non-conference. The problem is that few places will hop aboard. If you think about it - it makes sense. Iowa is a potential loss to a "sexy" opponent ... and geographically, Iowa is not going to be a recruiting hotspot for anybody. We're pretty screwed in that regard.
So what happens with Iowa? Are we all of a sudden going to stop being a developmental program? Given our geography, it would be foolish for us to stop relying upon player development. However, the "problem" with player development is that we're almost always more than a little rough around the edges early in the season. I think grosie hits the nail on the head in the following quote ...
I also think that bagdropper is completely correct as well. It's not like Iowa hasn't tried to schedule equitable home-home series with other teams for the non-conference. The problem is that few places will hop aboard. If you think about it - it makes sense. Iowa is a potential loss to a "sexy" opponent ... and geographically, Iowa is not going to be a recruiting hotspot for anybody. We're pretty screwed in that regard.
Given the frequency that Cowherd has his foot in his mouth, it would still end up being a head-shot. So you better not ...
