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Dorman: A scorched-earth war on water

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Soon, we may not have the dreaded Obama WOTUS to kick around anymore. And its public enemies, led by U.S. Sen. Joni Ernst, are dancing in the end zone.

WOTUS stands for Waters of the U.S., which the federal Clean Water Act is supposed to protect. But the act is vague, so the Obama administration wrote rules in 2015 clarifying what waters are protected. It included not only navigable rivers and major tributaries but also many wetlands and other smaller, even intermittent, streams that aren’t directly connected to larger waterways but have an impact on their water quality.

The American Farm Bureau Federation, along with developers, business interests and others carpet bombed the WOTUS proposal with alarmist claims from day one. They found an ally in President Donald Trump, who is always eager to dynamite any and all Obama-era accomplishments. He called it a “destructive, horrible rule.” WOTUS bashing became a big applause line at rallies.

They claimed the rules would cost thousands of jobs, strangle development, close businesses and spawn an army of federal regulators to monitor every puddle in America. WOTUS-spawned rules would cause weight gain, flu-like symptoms and surely cancel Christmas. OK, not sure about those last three.

And they had Ernst, who often claimed regulations would blanket Iowa like a deep bureaucratic blizzard.

“Iowa’s farmers, ranchers, manufacturers and small businesses can now breathe a sigh of relief knowing that going forward a tire track that collects rain water won’t be regulated by the federal government,” Ernst told reporters last year as the Trump administration rolled out a far more narrow definition of protected waters.

This past week, Ernst, celebrating its planned repeal, repeated one of her favorite claims about Obama WOTUS.



“WOTUS as written by the Obama administration would have covered 97 percent of the land in Iowa,” Ernst said in a video released by her office. Her spokesman said the claim comes from an August 2015 analysis paid for by the Farm Bureau.

“It is absolutely not correct,” said Silvia Secchi, an associate professor in the Department of Geographical and Sustainability Sciences at the University of Iowa. “And it’s the kind of fearmongering we’ve been hearing.”

Secchi is a natural resources economist, teaches courses in environmental policy and formerly worked in the Center for Agriculture and Rural Development at Iowa State University.

“The Waters of the United States rules preserved all of the exceptions for agriculture. So agriculture was excluded from all the Clean Water Act regulatory approaches. The rules maintained those exclusions. So for Sen. Ernst to say that, is just really … ridiculous. It’s not true,” Secchi said.

Secchi said the Obama-era definition could have had an effect on developers, and potentially confined animal feeding operations which are considered “point sources” of pollution regulated by the Clean Water Act. But tire tracks down on the farm? Not so much.

But why would Ernst and others raise all this dubious ruckus?

“This is how everything is now,” Secchi said. “Anything that can potentially affect agriculture, they go like full-throttle, 1,000-percent objection. It doesn’t matter how little the impact. It doesn’t matter if there’s social benefits. It doesn’t matter if you should look at things with nuance.

“They’re afraid of what they call regulatory creep. It’s paralyzing any environmental action in the United States,” Secchi said.

And it’s great politics. Nothing gets red state voters revved up quite like conjuring up hordes of federal regulators a candidate can vow to slay with the terrible swift sword of freedom. The days of sitting down and finding a hard-won science-based compromise that might have resulted in some progress on protecting thousands of wetlands and improving water quality have been washed away in a wave of hollow partisan vitriol. It’s war, and water is losing.



The American Farm Bureau has spent more than $15 million on lobbying since 2015, according to opensecrets.org. It was spent to win, not find middle ground.

Ernst insists scrapping the 2015 rules will bring “clarity.” Not to our water, but for business and developers. Draining or filling a wetland to build condos or a strip mall will be a snap.

But surely the states will step in to protect water. Just like in Iowa, where the governor’s office, Statehouse, agriculture department and Environmental Protection Commission are filled to the brim with agricultural interests eager to change the subject.

“This used to be bipartisan. Now it’s so ideological,” Secchi said, pointing to environmental record of George H.W. Bush and other moderate Republicans. “There’s so little information coming from science and history. It’s pretty depressing.”

What’s also depressing is WOTUS is just one of Trump’s environmental greatest hits. There’s the scrapping of the Clean Power Plan to reduce carbon emissions, and the attack on California’s vehicle emission standards, which pushed the auto industry to increase fuel efficiency. Don’t forget kneecapping the Endangered Species Act and the push to get rid of pesky federal scientists by any means necessary.

Congress is hapless, toothless and gridlocked. The big money is backing America’s pollution coalition. The president thinks windmills and homeless people are our real environmental foes.

“The only thing that’s going to move the needle now is lawsuits,” Secchi said.

Well, at least lawyers will find work. And our tire tracks will be filled with freedom.

https://www.thegazette.com/subject/opinion/staff-columnist/a-scorched-earth-war-on-water-20190923
 
Soon, we may not have the dreaded Obama WOTUS to kick around anymore. And its public enemies, led by U.S. Sen. Joni Ernst, are dancing in the end zone.

WOTUS stands for Waters of the U.S., which the federal Clean Water Act is supposed to protect. But the act is vague, so the Obama administration wrote rules in 2015 clarifying what waters are protected. It included not only navigable rivers and major tributaries but also many wetlands and other smaller, even intermittent, streams that aren’t directly connected to larger waterways but have an impact on their water quality.

The American Farm Bureau Federation, along with developers, business interests and others carpet bombed the WOTUS proposal with alarmist claims from day one. They found an ally in President Donald Trump, who is always eager to dynamite any and all Obama-era accomplishments. He called it a “destructive, horrible rule.” WOTUS bashing became a big applause line at rallies.

They claimed the rules would cost thousands of jobs, strangle development, close businesses and spawn an army of federal regulators to monitor every puddle in America. WOTUS-spawned rules would cause weight gain, flu-like symptoms and surely cancel Christmas. OK, not sure about those last three.

And they had Ernst, who often claimed regulations would blanket Iowa like a deep bureaucratic blizzard.

“Iowa’s farmers, ranchers, manufacturers and small businesses can now breathe a sigh of relief knowing that going forward a tire track that collects rain water won’t be regulated by the federal government,” Ernst told reporters last year as the Trump administration rolled out a far more narrow definition of protected waters.

This past week, Ernst, celebrating its planned repeal, repeated one of her favorite claims about Obama WOTUS.



“WOTUS as written by the Obama administration would have covered 97 percent of the land in Iowa,” Ernst said in a video released by her office. Her spokesman said the claim comes from an August 2015 analysis paid for by the Farm Bureau.

“It is absolutely not correct,” said Silvia Secchi, an associate professor in the Department of Geographical and Sustainability Sciences at the University of Iowa. “And it’s the kind of fearmongering we’ve been hearing.”

Secchi is a natural resources economist, teaches courses in environmental policy and formerly worked in the Center for Agriculture and Rural Development at Iowa State University.

“The Waters of the United States rules preserved all of the exceptions for agriculture. So agriculture was excluded from all the Clean Water Act regulatory approaches. The rules maintained those exclusions. So for Sen. Ernst to say that, is just really … ridiculous. It’s not true,” Secchi said.

Secchi said the Obama-era definition could have had an effect on developers, and potentially confined animal feeding operations which are considered “point sources” of pollution regulated by the Clean Water Act. But tire tracks down on the farm? Not so much.

But why would Ernst and others raise all this dubious ruckus?

“This is how everything is now,” Secchi said. “Anything that can potentially affect agriculture, they go like full-throttle, 1,000-percent objection. It doesn’t matter how little the impact. It doesn’t matter if there’s social benefits. It doesn’t matter if you should look at things with nuance.

“They’re afraid of what they call regulatory creep. It’s paralyzing any environmental action in the United States,” Secchi said.

And it’s great politics. Nothing gets red state voters revved up quite like conjuring up hordes of federal regulators a candidate can vow to slay with the terrible swift sword of freedom. The days of sitting down and finding a hard-won science-based compromise that might have resulted in some progress on protecting thousands of wetlands and improving water quality have been washed away in a wave of hollow partisan vitriol. It’s war, and water is losing.



The American Farm Bureau has spent more than $15 million on lobbying since 2015, according to opensecrets.org. It was spent to win, not find middle ground.

Ernst insists scrapping the 2015 rules will bring “clarity.” Not to our water, but for business and developers. Draining or filling a wetland to build condos or a strip mall will be a snap.

But surely the states will step in to protect water. Just like in Iowa, where the governor’s office, Statehouse, agriculture department and Environmental Protection Commission are filled to the brim with agricultural interests eager to change the subject.

“This used to be bipartisan. Now it’s so ideological,” Secchi said, pointing to environmental record of George H.W. Bush and other moderate Republicans. “There’s so little information coming from science and history. It’s pretty depressing.”

What’s also depressing is WOTUS is just one of Trump’s environmental greatest hits. There’s the scrapping of the Clean Power Plan to reduce carbon emissions, and the attack on California’s vehicle emission standards, which pushed the auto industry to increase fuel efficiency. Don’t forget kneecapping the Endangered Species Act and the push to get rid of pesky federal scientists by any means necessary.

Congress is hapless, toothless and gridlocked. The big money is backing America’s pollution coalition. The president thinks windmills and homeless people are our real environmental foes.

“The only thing that’s going to move the needle now is lawsuits,” Secchi said.

Well, at least lawyers will find work. And our tire tracks will be filled with freedom.

https://www.thegazette.com/subject/opinion/staff-columnist/a-scorched-earth-war-on-water-20190923
I disagree with the penultimate sentence:

“The only thing that’s going to move the needle now is lawsuits,”
Secchi said.

Elections, election, elections. It's time to vote out the neanderthals.
 
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stick it Laurie Johns
Sill wood!

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So we (Iowa) can't take care of our own water, we have to cede responsibility and control over to the feds (actually they just took it)?
 
So we (Iowa) can't take care of our own water, we have to cede responsibility and control over to the feds (actually they just took it)?

They didn't take it, and to answer your question, yes. We've shown over many, many, many decades of misuse and abuse that when money is involved, the environment ALWAYS loses. There are too many selfish children who don't give a crap about anybody but themselves to let this "self regulate".
 
They didn't take it, and to answer your question, yes. We've shown over many, many, many decades of misuse and abuse that when money is involved, the environment ALWAYS loses. There are too many selfish children who don't give a crap about anybody but themselves to let this "self regulate".

Yeah, well... the regulators have proven themselves to be incompetent, too.
 
They didn't take it, and to answer your question, yes. We've shown over many, many, many decades of misuse and abuse that when money is involved, the environment ALWAYS loses. There are too many selfish children who don't give a crap about anybody but themselves to let this "self regulate".

Like Flint?
 
After self regulation destroyed it, the govt has stepped up to fix it?

Flint is actually a textbook example of what happens when you put Republicans in charge. GOP voters say they hate the government "because they can't do anything right" and then go right on and vote a bunch of Republicans into office who go make sure that government can't do anything right. Stop voting for bad people to be put in office and these things wouldn't happen.

The issue with Flint has been the lack of consequences for the people involved in making the switch in water types. It seems to be a running theme these days. Laws don't apply to Republicans and consequences are things that are to be suffered by the victims.

https://www.nrdc.org/flint
 
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Flint is actually a textbook example of what happens when you put Republicans in charge. GOP voters say they hate the government "because they can't do anything right" and then go right on and vote a bunch of Republicans into office who go make sure that government can't do anything right. Stop voting for bad people to be put in office and these things wouldn't happen.

The issue with Flint has been the lack of consequences for the people involved in making the switch in water types. It seems to be a running theme these days. Laws don't apply to Republicans and consequences are things that are to be suffered by the victims.

https://www.nrdc.org/flint

No flint is a textbook example of govt in charge. There were many failures from many public servants of both political parties throughout the years. Each side blaming each other while people suffered.

Making the switch wasn't the issue btw...city officials had to vote on that and they loved the idea.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/15/whos-blame-flint-water-crisis/
 
No flint is a textbook example of govt in charge. There were many failures from many public servants of both political parties throughout the years. Each side blaming each other while people suffered.

Making the switch wasn't the issue btw...city officials had to vote on that and they loved the idea.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/15/whos-blame-flint-water-crisis/

It would have never happened if the Republicans in charge didn't push for the idea. This shit ALWAYS happens when a Republican is in charge. I won't say that Democrats have never made mistakes, but in the last 40 years, it's only Republicans who knowingly sacrifice people for profits. Again, you get the government you vote for.

And by the way, did you even read your own article? It was the Governor appointed city manager that made the call. Remember that law Republicans passed in Michigan that said if a city had more than a 5% (or something very small...can't remember the exact number) budget deficit the Governor got to appoint a city manager that superseded any local government? That's what happened there. To blame city council members who, A) didn't really have any say in the matter, and B) were being fed information from agencies that Snyder controlled is grade A deflection of responsibility.

Here you have a Republican governor appointing Republicans into positions of power using a law Republicans created to give unprecedented power to a Republican governor who push for a policy that makes poor people suffer the consequences and making the sacrifices to try and save money and you blame the people who really didn't have any actual say in the matter. This is why Republicans do this. They are never held accountable for their actions and people like you consistently let them get away with it.
 
Before i go into this more in depth I want to be clear, I am not by any means giving republicans a pass...im also not giving democrats one either. There is plenty of blame to go around and reasons I don't think govt (or the one we have) is so much better than corporations/free market

It would have never happened if the Republicans in charge didn't push for the idea. .

It also wouldn't have happened if Detroit had cut them off so soon, would not have happened had the EPA ignored their own employee suggestions...there is a long line of items/events that could have prevented this issue. The people who couldn't have helped or helped to precipitate it came from both parties.

I This shit ALWAYS happens when a Republican is in charge. I won't say that Democrats have never made mistakes, but in the last 40 years, it's only Republicans who knowingly sacrifice people for profits. Again, you get the government you vote for.

Always? No, mostly but not always....only a partisan hack think its "always"

And by the way, did you even read your own article? It was the Governor appointed city manager that made the call. Remember that law Republicans passed in Michigan that said if a city had more than a 5% (or something very small...can't remember the exact number) budget deficit the Governor got to appoint a city manager that superseded any local government? That's what happened there. To blame city council members who, A) didn't really have any say in the matter, and B) were being fed information from agencies that Snyder controlled is grade A deflection of responsibility.

I did read the article..and many others... city counsel didn't have a say...but they still agreed with the change...and the change would've been just fine if other things were not ignored. If the EPA at that time (ill let decided who controlled the at the time) had listened to initial reports the whole issue could've been prevents. The cuts and infrastructure demise started under a democratic Governor.

They are never held accountable for their actions and people like you consistently let them get away with it.

People like me? No its people like you who creates this environment of us vs them that let them get away with it. I've voted for only Democrat and third party in my life. I've never voted for a Republican for any position ever...but yeah its me who is letting these people get away with this stuff....
 
Before i go into this more in depth I want to be clear, I am not by any means giving republicans a pass...im also not giving democrats one either. There is plenty of blame to go around and reasons I don't think govt (or the one we have) is so much better than corporations/free market



It also wouldn't have happened if Detroit had cut them off so soon, would not have happened had the EPA ignored their own employee suggestions...there is a long line of items/events that could have prevented this issue. The people who couldn't have helped or helped to precipitate it came from both parties.



Always? No, mostly but not always....only a partisan hack think its "always"



I did read the article..and many others... city counsel didn't have a say...but they still agreed with the change...and the change would've been just fine if other things were not ignored. If the EPA at that time (ill let decided who controlled the at the time) had listened to initial reports the whole issue could've been prevents. The cuts and infrastructure demise started under a democratic Governor.



People like me? No its people like you who creates this environment of us vs them that let them get away with it. I've voted for only Democrat and third party in my life. I've never voted for a Republican for any position ever...but yeah its me who is letting these people get away with this stuff....

Then why are you defending this obvious abuse of power? I didn't create the us vs. them mentality, it was forced upon me. When Republicans decided they were going to refuse to negotiate under any circumstances, they created the environment we live in now. You can't keep giving ground and never getting anything in return or else you end up standing for nothing. I don't like this any more than you do, but the only path to reconciliation has to come from the GOP side. They subverted Democracy with their behavior during the Obama administration and they need to make up for it.
 
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Flint is a failure of basic chemistry and not understanding pH. Iowa has lead all over too, but the the water is hard and the lead does not leach into the water. Flint went to a low pH source. Crazy.
 
Flint is a failure of basic chemistry and not understanding pH. Iowa has lead all over too, but the the water is hard and the lead does not leach into the water. Flint went to a low pH source. Crazy.

Exactly,... What happened in Flint Michigan could happen almost anywhere....
 
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